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    • By César Chávez
      Well at least Theologians are beginning to see how CORRECT the Watchtower is by them demonstrating in their new Bible Studies the 3 Babylonian deportations of the Judeans.
      However, they still have to conjoin the fall of Jerusalem from 586 BC to an earlier date written in human history and scripture.
      An honest assessment, that can’t be found here by questionable people.
      NIV, Bible Study has been introduced here, not to show the publishing house but the actions that are now being considered and printed that agrees in similar fashion with the Watchtower. If they are willing to reconsider that stance, then it shouldn’t be a problem about 1914.
      The NIV Study Bible
      Copyright © 1985, 1995, 2002, 2008, 2011, 2020 by Zondervan


      Therefore, 1914 is not problematic to those that, understand.
    • By JW Insider
      I think you referenced my opinion here. It's as follows:
      We know that Jesus' invisible presence began in the first century, around 33 CE, because, as Jesus said:
      (Matthew 18:20) For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
      (Matthew 28:20) . . .And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
      So, Jesus is invisibly present with Christians always from his resurrection UNTIL the conclusion (Gk, synteleia). If the conclusion began in 1914, then Jesus was saying he would be invisibly present with us UNTIL 1914.
      But this is not the "parousia" which can also be translated "presence" or "visitation." The scriptures tie the "parousia" to the "glorious manifestation" of Jesus when he is revealed, and "every eye shall see him" and a time of sudden, bright flashing like lightning. (Scripture references available upon request. 😊) Thus, for several years, the following comment was included in the NWT appendix, which has since been removed from the 2013 Revised NWT:
      *** Rbi8 p. 1577 5B Christ’s Presence (Parousia) ***
      Also, Bauer, p. 630, states that pa·rou·siʹa “became the official term for a visit of a person of high rank, esp[ecially] of kings and emperors visiting a province.”
      These visitations of royal personages were a spectacle, often with trumpeted fanfare and with the official accompanied by throngs of persons brought with him and joined by spectators alongside the parade. To make sure that the "parousia" went smoothly, the local authorities could even raise a special tax on the local citizens to fix the roads to make straight paths for the king's chariots and horses and entourage on foot. That tax was minted on "parousia" coins, or later "adventus" coins, just as they were in Paul's day. (This can explain why the first Bible translations did not translate "parousia" as presence, while koine (NT) Greek was still a living language. They used a word that meant "advent" or "visitation" focusing, therefore, on the arrival/coming, not the presence that followed.)
      It seems obvious that this "parousia" did not start in 1914.
      On the issue of when Jesus sat down in his Kingdom, this also seems pretty obvious from the scriptures. Jesus is called "king of kings" in the first century.
      (1 Timothy 6:13-15) ...I give you orders 14 to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords,
      (Revelation 1:5, 6) . . .and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father. . .
      Immediately after his resurrection, Jesus said that "ALL authority" had bee given to him in heaven and on earth.
      (Matthew 28:18) . . .“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
      Trying to minimize this kingdom authority in the first century appears to take away from the scriptures. In the scriptures, Jesus is already "crowned" in the first century.
      (Hebrews 2:9) 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death,. . .
      (Hebrews 1:3) . . .he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
      He already has a scepter:
      (Hebrews 1:8) 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
      And "sitting at God's right hand" means the same as "rule as king" as said above:
      (1 Corinthians 15:25) . . .For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
      So with this in mind, I think that 1 Cor 15:23 makes sense:
      (1 Corinthians 15:20-26) . . .But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death. 21 For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
      In other words, Jesus has now been raised from the dead, and he is the first of those to be raised alive "in the Christ." The word "during" is only used here because the NWT translators believe we should focus on a long time period. Most often the word just means "at."
      So, first Jesus, then those who belong to him "at his visitation," at his parousia, at his manifestation, at his coming, at his arrival, at his presence, at that day.
      (2 Thessalonians 2:8, 9) 8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence [parousia].
      Also.
      (2 Timothy 4:1) I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his Kingdom:
      Paul does not ever speak about 1,000 years, specifically, but he makes it appear that there is a resurrection of those "in the Christ" and then the end, when he brings to nothing all government and authority and power. Paul appears to refer to only one single end that includes bringing to nothing all these other governments, and that this results in the end of death. Mission accomplished.
      From Paul alone, then, we can't tell where a 1,000 year reign fits in. Paul speaks from the perspective of this particular kingdom of Christ accomplishing its purpose, and in some sense being handed back to God at the point where the final enemy (death) is fully subjected. 
    • By JW Insider
      There is no doubt that In the last 106 years since 1914 the Christian congregation has had to deal with an entire world era of much more critical times than previous historical eras that have come upon the Christian congregation. Yet, when Paul said that in the last days the Christian congregation would see critical times hard to deal with, Paul was preparing Timothy for the fact that Timothy should expect to see these "critical times" in the 1st century congregations he was working with.
      Currently, the Watchtower ties 1914 to the beginning of an era, or generation, that has seen greater wars than were ever seen previously in the history of the world. It is also supposed to be the beginning of a generation that has seen greater pestilence, famine, and earthquakes than any other previous generation in the history of the world.
      Surely, there is nothing wrong with seeing this year as a time of great change in the world. If we ever needed proof that the world was lying in the power of the wicked one, then events that began in this particular year offered unassailable proof. Also, especially looking back, it seemed to be a sudden change to many people. European powers had exploited the wealth of many nations through violence to keep them as their own colonies. And the number of squabbles over who could exploit which nations had reached a boiling point. The Great European War starting in 1914 was supposed to be the final fight over how the exploitation of colonies around the world would be defined going forward. Lines would be drawn in the sand, and the "jungles". Who gets to exploit whom, would finally be defined and it would therefore be the war to end all wars.
      But instead it just thrust upon mankind even more wars for greed, power, ego, persecution, murder, and theft. As one person on this forum commented, maybe WWI never ended.
      So what could possibly be wrong with a doctrine that teaches that the final generation of mankind in this system of things should start in 1914?
      Does the Bible say this is impossible? Does it go against any Biblical principles. Doesn't it fulfill prophecy?
      What about Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Revelation 12?
      Doesn't common sense tell us that the end is getting closer all the time, and that a final generation must appear at some point? With all the global problems, terrors, and fears, isn't now the most likely time to see ourselves in that final generation?
    • By John Paul
      People here should go back and reread their historical understanding of Russell. He had a wait and see attitude about 1914 while he had claimed Jesus presence was felt in 1874. That of course had nothing to do with Jesus being enthroned in 1914, nor does it revise a historical fact world war one started in 1914.
      “CHRONOLOGY--Beginning or End of Time of Trouble Re 1914.
      Q71:1: QUESTION (1905)--1--Will the time of trouble begin or end in 1914 and why?
      ANSWER--We answer that there have been times of trouble this good while. (You know we have a trouble corner over there, and he smiled and pointed over to his little office.) There have been and there will be times of trouble as far as the Church is concerned. Look at the persecutions. But the reference here, and properly enough, is to the "Great Time of Trouble" that is referred to in Daniel, twelfth chapter, where he says, "there shall be a time of trouble such as never was before," and our Lord adds, "No and never shall be again." Well that is the time of trouble that is in our minds, and it will not begin nor end in 1914. The time of trouble may be a beginning now, but those beginnings are only leading up to the real trouble.
      Oct. 15, 1913 WT p.5336
      The divine plan presented in the STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES. We are advised that it give's seven different corroborative proofs that the close of the year 1914--namely, about October, 1914-will mark the closing of the Times of the Gentiles, and the beginning of the masonic reign. Many of the dear friends are rejoicing in these cobnrrohon1tions.
      We wish still, however, to reiterate what we have said from the first respecting the date of the close of the Times of the Gentiles; namely, that the calculations as we presented them in Vol. II, STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES, are the truth to the best of our knowledge and belief. Nevertheless, there is enough uncertainty about the matter of chronology to make it a matter of faith rather than of positive knowledge. We remind our readers that our consecration to the Lord is not to October, 1914, nor to any other time except that mentioned by the Savior'' Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.' '-Rev. 2:10.
      Therefore, Russell never implied the world would end in 1914.
      However, some copies of the 1913 WT omit the Morton Great Pyramid reference by some Bible Student Associations for unknown reason. Then those flat out lies that people keep telling themselves, are made by people that have inherited a bias with worthless research.
      What should be noted, Russell didn’t control all the independent churches, and how they viewed their own understanding of prophecy.
      No more than overthinking about 1975, and 2000. The Org never claimed those dates would bring the end of the world. 1975 was the 6000 years mark and the 2000 was revealed to hold significance to certain “other” religious sects and some doomsayers in which the Org spoke about.
      Aside from the obvious Y2K scare?

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      *** w99 12/1 p. 5 Why the Apocalypse Scare? ***
      Similarly today, there are religious and secular fears that the year 2000 or 2001 will bring with it a terrifying apocalypse. But are these fears justified? And is the message contained in the Bible book of Revelation, or Apocalypse, something to be feared or, on the contrary, is it something we should hope for? Please read on.
      *** g98 5/8 p. 21 How Significant Is the Year 2000? ***
      Granted, the Bible talks about the time when Jehovah God will intervene in human affairs by removing badness and ushering in a new world. Bible prophecy speaks of “the time of the end,” “the conclusion of the system of things,” “the last days,” and “the day of Jehovah.” (Daniel 8:17; Matthew 24:3; 2 Timothy 3:1; 2 Peter 3:12) However, the “end” prophesied in the Bible is not connected in any way to the year 2000. There is nothing in the Scriptures ascribing special significance to the end of the second millennium as calculated by the Gregorian calendar.
      Therefore, the Org was NOT being vague in both instances. I believe evidence was given about 1975 in a 1974 article submitted here that has been erased, that debunks that theory. I will re-post the Article from 1974. Why people keep bringing it up as though it still has conclusive evidence is beyond logic.
      *** w74 10/15 p. 635 Growing in Appreciation for the “Divine Purpose” ***
      The publications of Jehovah’s witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man’s existence will be completed in the mid-1970’s. But these publications have never said that the world’s end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter. So the assembly presentation “Why We Have Not Been Told ‘That Day and Hour’” was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end. All we know is that the end will come within the generation that sees fulfilled on it the sign that Jesus Christ said would then be in evidence. (See Matthew chapters 24, 25.) All indications are that the fulfillment of this sign began in 1914. So we can be confident that the end is near; we do not have the slightest doubt that God will bring it about, the speaker stressed. But we have to wait and see exactly when, in the meantime keeping busy in God’s service
      Once again, to be clear, the Watchtower made it crystal clear in late 1974 about 1975. Therefore, it is a careless and an unconscionable act by which certain witnesses would consider a false theory by opposers.
    • Guest Kurt
      By Guest Kurt
      Here's something you may not have seen, from the JW archives, a countdown to Armegeddon as we once believed would occur in oct 1914. Our brothers used this to help them keep track on their faith. Just a bit of JW history.
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    • By Anna
      Something I thought might be relevant since we are studying the God's Kingdom book. Not long ago, in a WT article, it was mentioned in reference to the "Kingdom being preached in all the inhabited earth" that this will not mean that literally everyone on Earth would have heard about the Kingdom before Armageddon starts.
      When one does a bit of mathematics (not my forte) and calculates the percentage of current Jehovah's Witnesses in comparison to the World's population we arrive at 0.1%. This is a very small percentage indeed. (8 million JW to 8 billion population)
      If we were to assume some averages, and use the United States as a fair example, then we can assume the ratio of 1 publisher to roughly around 400. This seems a fair number since "only a few are the ones finding the road to life". However, as we know, there is practically a non existent ratio when it comes to India and China, two of the world's countries with a population of over 1billion each (the majority of whom have never heard of the Bible, never mind Jehovah's Witnesses).  If we would assume the same ratio of 1:400, then this would immediately create over 3 million Witnesses in each of the two countries, i.e. over 6 million in India and China alone, bringing the total of JWs to over 14 million. If we were to also add 650 thousand in Indonesia, 485 thousand from Pakistan, and 402 thousand from Bangladesh that adds another 1.5 million bringing the total to over 15 million, almost doubling the Witnesses today.
      If we go by the fact that all people are equal in Jehovah's eyes, and that no nation is above another when it comes to salvation, and that all people are basically the same, then we have to assume that there are people in those countries who, if given the chance, would embrace the truth and put themselves on Jehovah's side and create that ratio of 1:400.
      With that in mind, it is evident that either there is going to have to be a lot of preaching done, verging on the miraculous, in order to bring in over 7 million new Witnesses within the allotted time of the "Generation", or, Jehovah will judge their hearts and allow nearly HALF of the people, (agnostics or believers in false Gods) entry into the new world without them even needing to know him.
      Or, is "this Generation" a lot longer than we think.....
      Any scriptural thoughts?
       
    • By Jesus.defender
      1888 "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions." (The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77)
       
       
      1889 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915')
       
    • By Jesus.defender
      In 1889, the WT said " we present PROOFS that the setting up of the kingdom of God has already begun...and that 'the battle of the great day of God almighty' (Revelation16:14),which will end in AD1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced.".
      The watchtower presented "proofs".
      These "proofs" were wrong, so what credibility do they have to "proclaim" anything?
       
    • By Bible Speaks
      The ‘International Bible Students’ . . . have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914.”
      It is a historical fact worth noting that, on the basis of the points and evidence above presented, the March 1880 edition of the Watch Tower magazine identified the year 1914 as the time for the close of “the appointed times of the nations” (and the end of the lease of power granted the Gentile rulers). 
      This was some 34 years before the arrival of that year and the momentous events it initiated. In the August 30, 1914, edition of The World, a leading New York newspaper at that time, a feature article in the paper’s Sunday magazine section commented on this as follows: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. 
      For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students’ . . . have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914.”
      The events that took place from and after the year 1914 C.E. are well-known history to all, beginning with the great war that erupted, the first world war in mankind’s history and the first to be fought over the issue, not of the domination of Europe alone, nor of Africa, nor of Asia, but of the domination of the world.—Lu 21:7-24, 29-33; Re 11:15-18.
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    • By Brother Rando
      Being a student of Prophecy and intently studying the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1914 is only the beginning of the end. “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. ?All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matthew 24:7-8)
      In 1914 the world as we know it, has entered into its death throes.  God’s Kingdom would slowly begin crushing all kingdoms of the earth. (Daniel 2:44)  Those inhabiting the earth would enter into an ‘allotted amount of time of distress'. “During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.” (Daniel 12:1)
      What is causing this ‘time of distress’?  “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled ?but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.” (Rev 12:7-8)  “Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” (Rev 12:12)  Here’s an important teaching from Jesus Christ, he stated, “For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.” (Matthew 24:37)  Did you catch that?  So the presence of the Son of man will be.  Jesus Christ has been ruling from Heaven since 1914 and he compared his presence like the days of Noah!  Few people understand this, but the Days of Noah lasted 120 years. (Genesis 6:3)  Jesus continues, “For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, ?and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.” (Matthew 24:38-39)  Folks, the presence of the Son of man is now 103 years from 1914 and counting.  Yet, the World is taking no note.
      The Last Days must reach their full time allotted, which is 120 years.  1914 + 120 = 2034.   Since the Great Tribulation is Spiritual, many will  fall away from the faith. But it’s during this time period that the one’s separated to the right hand of Christ, will come out of the Great Tribulation as Survivors.  In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” (Rev 7:13)
      So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” (Rev 7:14)  “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.” (Matthew 24:42)
      Armageddon is an act of undeserved kindness of removing the wicked by means of the second death.  Soon, those outside our interior rooms will be dying the second death in the same manner as Adam and Eve. 
       
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    • By Albert Michelson
      What is the good news?
       
      The Bible is clear that even if someone had been clearly selected by god if they deviate from the truth they are to be rejected. 
       
      Galatians 1:8-9 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed.  9 As we have said above, I also now say again, Whoever it is that is declaring to YOU as good news something beyond what YOU accepted, let him be accursed.
       
      This holds even more weight for ones like the GB who are not clearly selected and who's claim to authority rests solely on a demonstrably false interpretation of scripture.
      The organization claims that the 1914 teaching is necessary for salvation and even goes as far as to claim that the 1914 teaching is the good news spoken of in the Bible.
      *** w67 12/15 pp. 753-754 pars. 3-4 What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached ***
      "What a joy-inspiring addition or enlargement to the good news now to be preached! Now has come the victorious kingdom of our God together with the authority of his Christ, his Messiah! As for Satan the Devil and his demons, they have only a short period of time until they are bound and imprisoned in the abyss after the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” at Armageddon. All this additional wonderful information has been true since the end of the “appointed times of the nations” in 1914, and particularly since World War I closed in the year 1918. Not before the “appointed times of the nations” ended in the fall of 1914 could the good news be preached of the newborn, established heavenly kingdom of God and of his Messiah. This, then, must be the good news that Jesus Christ in his prophecy said had to be preached first in all the nations. (Mark 13:10) This generation of human society that has seen and experienced the world events since the Gentile Times closed in 1914—this is the “generation” that will not pass away until all the things foretold have happened, including the preaching of the good news first in all nations.
      4 Jesus’ prophecy in Mark 13:10, “Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first,” has not been undergoing fulfillment during the past nineteen centuries. It is only since the second decade of our twentieth century that this prophecy has been undergoing fulfillment. This began to be realized by the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society since the end of the second decade of our century. In the magazine issue of July 1, 1920, of The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence the article was published entitled “Gospel of the Kingdom” and based on the theme text, “‘And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.’—Matthew 24:14.”
       It is for this reason that the organization is chained to the 1914 teaching. As the scripture I quoted above demonstrates the Bible says that one who teaches a good news that is false is cursed. If the organization admits that the 1914 and 1919 teachings are false they will have to admit that not only were they not selected as gods channel but that they have been teaching a false good news for the majority of their existence. It is for that reason that they disfellowship and shun people who cannot conscientiously remain in the faith. It's easier to just eliminate the opposition then to actually address the real issues with your theology. 
      *** w86 4/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
      Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?
       
      "Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
       
      That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4."
       
      This is supposedly a list of the fundamental doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses that all are required to believe. You will in most cases be disfellowshiped for not believing in one or more of them. Unfortunately the truth is most of them are false.
    • By Noble Berean
      "Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).
      I understand that Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus Christ presence began back in 1914. I also understand that JWs believe the clergy of Christendom represent the Man of Lawlessness. However, if that is the case, why have the clergy thrived since 1914? Shouldn't they be brought to "...nothing by the manifestation of his presence"?
    • By JW Insider
      A recent topic about whether the Watchtower view of 607 BCE is SCRIPTURALLY supported is linked below. This new topic should provide a better place to discuss the SECULAR evidence. I also think it would be useful to discuss the methodology that the Watch Tower Society has historically used to treat this evidence.
      I would hope that we can do this without so much side discussions of unrelated topics. To avoid another topic that goes on for 30+ pages where only half of them were on-topic, I would suggest that if we get enough off-topic posts, we merely move them to another more appropriate topic.
      The link to the most recent topic on a similar subject is here:


       
    • By JW Insider
      Why another topic about 1914 and 607?
      Because we could use a topic where we can all agree a little more easily. Seriously. In this topic, we don't need to worry about whether 607 is correct, or 1914 is correct. No one needs to say why it does or doesn't make sense to them. Let's just see if we can review the possible and probable sources that were influential, and ultimately resulted in 607 and 1914 being accepted as a Bible-based fulfillment of prophecy.
      No one needs to jump from another thread about 607 and Biblical evidence over to this one. In fact, I just read a couple of books last night for the first time, and I had some questions that I couldn't find an answer to, and hoped that someone from that other thread, or anyone really, might have run across the resources that might have answered the questions. I'm reading one more book first, and don't think I'll finish it tonight, so consider this topic to be kind of a placeholder for a couple days.
      So this is the purpose of the three current threads:
      https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/5510-607-bce-is-it-biblically-supported/ a place to discuss mostly the Scriptural evidence for or against the 607 portion of the 1914 doctrine. https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/51655-607-bce-is-there-any-secular-support-for-the-watch-towers-view/ a place to discuss mostly the Secular evidence for or against the 607 portion of the 1914 doctrine. And this current one: a place to discuss the sources that were influential in the WTS accepting the 607 date as part of the 1914 doctrine. One place to start is with a couple sentences in the "Proclaimers" book (next post). I personally intend to avoid a certain book by COJ for this topic, to avoid unnecessary controversy, although anyone should feel free to use any resources from anywhere they wish, as long as it appears to be a statement of fact. Again, this is not about questioning the correctness of the doctrine.
    • By The Librarian
      Master Chronological List > 1914
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  pointed to 1914 as the end of the "Gentile Times" or "The Appointed Times of the Nations."

      Subsequent President of the Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  established 1914 as the date of "Christ's Invisible Return" and crowning as King of Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  which had been previously believed to be 1878. Hence, Jehovah's heavenly Kingdom is established.

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  teach that Satan and his demons were cast down to earth from heaven after October 1, 1914 at which point the end times began.

      From 1914 C.E. to the early part of 1918 C.E. or 1,260 days Jehovah's people preached a "sackcloth" message concerning Christendom and the world, in fulfillment of Revelation 11:3, 4. See re pgs. 164-7 pars. 10-18, also see yw pgs. 264-307, also bf pg. 592.

      [KING OF THE NORTH is now Germany, the KING OF THE SOUTH is the alliance between Great Britian and the United States of America, see Daniel 11:27-29], Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife, Countess Sophie Chotek, duchess of Hohenberg were assassinated on June 28th in Sarajevo, Bosnia, (now in Bosnia and Herzegovina), by a Serb nationalist. This action precipitated World War I. 
       
      On October 2, 1914, Jesus took the throne. Shortly thereafter, a war in heaven broke out wherein Satan and his demons were cast from the heavens. Satan then became so enraged that he began to wreak havoc upon the earth. One of the first things he did was to start the Great War (WWI). So WWI must have started a few days after October 2, 1914.
       
      “World War I set the violent twentieth century in motion. It was the first use of chemical weapons; the first mass bombardment of civilians from the sky; the century’s first genocide.” So begins the 1996 PBS series The Great War and the Shaping of the Twentieth Century.


      The war’s horrendous prosecution and unsatisfactory end were made even worse by the Versailles Peace Conference, a conclave which created the false peace that only allowed the combatants to rearm and proceed to a second conflict which was even more destructive than the first one. World War II merely took up the Great War’s unfinished business. Indeed many historians call both conflicts Europe’s “Second Thirty Years’ War.”

      The First World War led to the birth of the first communist dictatorship. The world flirted with nuclear destruction as that dictatorship engaged in a murderous rivalry with its erstwhile allies. When the USSR finally imploded, some of the splinter states which emerged from its ruins fell to either fighting among themselves or suffering internecine bloodletting. And the problems elsewhere in southwest Asia as well as the Middle East can be traced to hatreds fostered by European colonialism which the Great War only intensified.

      The world we have today had its birth pangs in World War I. It was Austria-Hungary’s invasion of Serbia on 28 July 1914 that caused a myriad of dominoes to fall—and they are continuing to tumble even now.


      The war shattered an entire world order. In 1914, sixty percent of the world's population lived under the rule of kingdoms or empires. Today less than ten percent do so. The only important royal dynasty to survive the war was the House of Windsor and that was not without challenge. The fragmentation of these empires led to the rise of independent states which continues down to this day as the doctrine of "self-determination", promulgated by Wilson at Versailles, continues to govern many movements in our time.

      But what makes the Great War different from its predecessors is that it was the first fought in all four quarters of the globe and by blocs of nations as opposed to just a few. Its carnage also was unmatched in previous world history. Nobody knows how many actually died although estamates range from fourteen to twenty million. Among its aftershocks were the Spanish Flu, the pandemic that killed more people than the war itself, and widespread famine. So to say that the Great War was not much different from earlier ones entirely misses the point,
       
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      July 28, 1914. Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia. August 1, 1914. Germany Declares War on Russia. August 3, 1914. Germany declares war on France. August 4, 1914. Britain declares war on Germany. August 6, 1914. Austria declares war on Russia. April 6, 1917 - The United States declares war on Germany.
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      1914-2014 - One Hundred Years of Kingdom Rule!

      Where did you find the theme text for 1914?

      Jesus said that "This generation will not pass away until all these things occur." Did he mean the generation that saw saw World War 1 in 1914?

      What shows that Christ became King in 1914?

      When Jesus began ruling as King in 1914, was that the start of the Millennial reign of the Messianic Kingdom?

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      Watchtower Publications from 1914
      YearText: “Be strong and courageous.” Joshua 1:9
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      Previous Watchtower Publications quotations concerning 1914
      “Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon.” - The Watchtower, September 1, 1952, p. 543

      THE TRAIN ILLUSTRATION - Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 5

      “The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the ‘last days’ have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God...Jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the ‘last days’ began. Jesus was saying that some of those persons who were alive at the appearance of the ‘sign of the last days’ would still be alive when God brought this system to its end.” - Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 13


      “But there are people still living who were alive in 1914 and saw what was happening then and who were old enough that they still remember those events. This generation is getting up in years now. A great number of them have already passed away in death. Yet Jesus very pointedly said: ‘This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’ Some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. This means that only a short time is left before the end comes!” - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.

      “However, there are people still living who were alive in 1914 and saw what was happening then and who were old enough that they still remember those events. This generation is getting up in years now. A great number of them have already passed away in death. Yet Jesus very pointedly said: ‘This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’ Some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. This means that only a short time is left before the end comes!” - The Watchtower, February 15, 1969, p. 101

      “Men of this world offer you nothing stable, nothing sure. Their promises and predictions of better things have failed time and again. Why let yourself be carried along with them in a steadily downward course to ultimate disaster due to rejecting God’s will? God’s prophetic Word has not failed. Time has confirmed its truthfulness, its unerring accuracy. The generation that saw the start of the time of distress that began in 1914 is now dwindling in numbers. Before it passes off the scene the prophesied ‘great tribulation’ will come. You can be among the joyful survivors, experience deliverance from a world system that has proved oppressive, unworkable and death dealing.” - The Watchtower, February 1, 1971, p. 69

      “And the remaining ones of that generation of 1914 are still talking about it. Some of them will be talking about it right down to the time when the ‘great tribulation’ wipes Satan’s wicked system of things off the face of our globe. For Jesus Christ himself assures us: ‘Truly I say to you that this generation [the generation that saw the ‘beginning of pangs of distress’ in 1914] will by no means pass away [completely] until all these things occur. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.’--Matthew 24:3,8,34,35.” - The Watchtower, May 1, 1982, p. 15

      “After drawing attention to the many things that have marked the period from 1914 onward, Jesus said: ‘This generation will by no means pass away until all these things [including the end of this system] occur.’ (Matthew 24:34,14) Which generation did Jesus mean? He meant the generation of people who were living in 1914. Those persons yet remaining of that generation are now very old. However, some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. So of this we can be certain: Shortly now there will be a sudden end to all wickedness and wicked people at Armageddon. Some of the generation living in 1914 will see the end of the system of things and survive it.” - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.

      ILLUSTRATION: “1914 The Generation That Will Not Pass Away” - The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, title page

      “If Jesus used ‘generation’ in that sense and we apply it to 1914, then the babies of that generation are now 70 years old or older. And others alive in 1914 are in their 80’s or 90’s, a few even having reached a hundred. There are still many millions of that generation alive. Some of them ‘will by no means pass away until all things occur.’ --Luke 21:32” - The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, p. 5

      “From a purely human viewpoint, it could appear that these developments could hardly take place before the generation of 1914 disappears from the scene. But fulfillment of all the foretold events affecting the generation of 1914 does not depend on comparatively slow human action. Jehovah’s prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: ‘This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.’ (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son’s words in a relatively short time.--Isaiah 46:9,10; 55:10,11.”
      - The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, pp. 6-7

      “Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. ‘When you see all these things,’ Jesus promised, ‘know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’--Matthew 24:33,34” - The Watchtower, May 1, 1992, p. 3

      “Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.” - Awake!, October 22, 1995, p. 4


      “Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah’s people have at times speculated about the time when the ‘great tribulation’ would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we ‘bring a heart of wisdom in,’ not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we ‘count our days’ in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term ‘generation’ as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.” - The Watchtower, November 1, 1995, p. 17


      “Therefore, in the final fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy today, ‘this generation’ apparently refers to the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christ’s presence but fail to mend their ways...Does our more precise viewpoint on ‘this generation’ mean that Armageddon is further away than we had thought? Not at all! Though we at no time have known the ‘day and hour,’ Jehovah God has always known it, and he does not change.” - The Watchtower, November 1, 1995, pp. 19-20

      “Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things.” - Awake!, November 8, 1995, p. 4
       
      One hundred years on from the Great War

       
    • By JW Insider
      There are evidently FOUR basic problems in the latest explanation of the "GENERATION" teaching. Of course, this is the teaching based on Jesus' words in Matthew 24:34 where he says that "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." The latest update to the explanation is that Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed persons: the first group who could discern the meaning of the sign they witnessed in 1914, and a second group of anointed persons, whose lives overlapped with that first group.
      #1. It creates a set time limit for Armageddon to occur. #2. It is based on the idea that the date 1914 was predicted in the Bible. #3. It is based on a false definition of the word "generation." #4. It is based on a false premise about a supposed belief in 1914 that didn't even exist in 1914. If we're serious about:
      paying constant attention to ourselves and our teaching, (1 Tim 4:16) handling the word of God aright, having nothing to be ashamed of, (2 Tim 2:15) not paying attention to false stories, (1 Tim 1:4-7) making sure of all things, (1 Thess 5:21) knowing that teachers will receive heavier judgment, etc., (James 3:1) then we would not be very good Christians if any of us taught something that we were not sure about.
      On this forum, participants have already dealt extensively with #1 and #2 above, but there has not yet been a thorough discussion and focus on points #3 and #4.
    • By Patrick J Delaney
      After much prayerful reflection on the Scriptures, I have come to the realisation that the true identity of the “generation” Jesus spoke of at Matthew
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. may soon be revealed. There Jesus said, “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.” I think the understanding Jehovah’s Witnesses currently hold on this scripture is incorrect. I believe that Joel chapter 2 will have a second fulfillment in the last days of this complete world system, just as it had a primary fulfillment in the last days of the Jewish system at Pentecost 33 CE. At that time true Christians were sealed with Holy Spirit. I believe that there will be yet another true spirit anointing or sealing in the near future. This is what John was referring to when he spoke of the sealing of the 144,000 in revelation chapter 7. The spiritual Israelite nation must be reborn. (Isaiah 66:8). The great crowd mentioned in the same chapter belong to the same group but are seen standing before the throne after Armageddon coming out of all nations. This sealing will result in a true restoration of pure worship as indicated by Ezekiel’s prophecy of the valley of dry bones. (Ezekiel 37). Jehovah blows his spirit into the bones and they live. The preaching work up to now could be compared to the work of John the Baptist. It is a baptism of repentance for forgiveness of sins. By their actions Jehovah’s Witnesses prove themselves to be true Christians having repented of their sins. Yet they are not spirit anointed. I believe Jehovah is preparing them for a true spirit anointing. Their understanding of scripture will be refined. (See Malachi 3:1) The great worldwide preaching work, in fulfillment of the the “angel flying in mid heaven with everlasting good news to declare” is yet future. (Revelation 14) The fulfillment of the prophecies in Matthew 24, and other related prophecies concerning the last days find their real fulfillment in the future. The last days have not yet begun. Jesus told his followers to “Learn from the fig tree when it’s branch grows tender and puts forth leaves.” (Matthew Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. -34). The fig tree represents Israel. I believe that this illustration could be a referring to the spiritual Israelite nation blossoming forth beginning with an outpouring of Holy Spirit. At least some of the generation of Christians that witness the birth of this new spiritual nation will be still alive on earth to witness the end of the age. This outpouring of Holy Spirit may occur in the very near future.  
       
       
    • By gfnslave
      So, I am reading in Matthew about how many generations there we're from the deportation from Babylon until the Christ, 14 generations. The way I do math 607 divided by 14 equals 43.3 years. This is how Scripture measures a generation.The way I see it since 1914 we have had 2 complete generations and are now working on a 3rd. According to Jesus shouldn't the end have come by now?
       
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    • By JW Insider
      There seems to be be several ways to read Matthew 24 (and parallel accounts in Mark 13 and Luke 21). This has been noted by many Bible commentaries through the years, and even C. T. Russell admits some things about Matthew 24 that might surprise a lot of Witnesses today.
      The primary discussions about Matthew 24 revolve around the question of whether it was ONLY about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E., or primarily about the final Great Tribulation on the whole earth, or was it about BOTH judgment events.  (Even if this were primarily about 70 C.E., of course, it would still provide principles to guide Christians in every era and generation, especially about the expectation of the judgment event. -- 2 Tim 3:16; 1 Cor 10:11)
      Over the years, the Watchtower has proposed slightly different ways to read Matthew 24, including splitting it up into two and sometimes three parts, where the first part referred pretty much equally to both a "minor" fulfillment on the first-century generation and a "major" fulfillment on the "final" generation that sees the final judgment event. Then, a middle portion of the chapter was often said to be primarily for the first century without direct application to the "final" generation. Then, later parts of the chapter were said to be meant primarily or sometimes ONLY for the final judgment event on the whole world. None of the differences in these variations was very significant in the overall picture, because in general the Watchtower has seen the greater "major" important fulfillment of almost all of Matthew 24 to be tied to the final generation that sees that "parousia" or "presence."
      If we assume that the primarily fulfillment of Matthew 24 was intended for the final generation, then the secondary discussion is about whether we have correctly understood what Jesus meant with respect to the sign, the parousia, the conclusion, the generation, etc. So, that's the basic discussion being proposed here: that we look carefully at Matthew 24 and see if we have not perhaps tried to fit unlikely definitions of words so that we could make our specific doctrine fit.
      Of course, it is quite proper to look at unlikely definitions of words if the meaning derived becomes the only possible way to understand a passage and the only way in which it properly fits the context and related scriptures. But what if the more likely definitions of each of the words also produces an overall meaning that fits just as well with the context and other scripture? What if accepting the more likely definitions of words in the chapter resulted in an even BETTER fit overall for the rest of the scriptures? What if it were seen that trying to make a doctrine out of the unlikely definitions actually created scriptural contradictions?
      What I'd propose is that we try to let scripture explain scripture wherever possible and then try to give an honest appraisal of whether or not our "special definitions" we have infused into the meaning of several words in the chapter really makes more sense than the more common definitions of these words.  We could start with general ideas that we can all agree on (hopefully) and then check those ideas as either more or less likely to fit the ideas created from other parts of the chapter that depend on special definitions. I think this will help us evaluate whether we have built a doctrine upon the more likely or the less likely meaning of the words that Jesus used.
    • Guest Kurt
      By Guest Kurt
      Why did Jack cry? Maybe it was because he realized the old will get young again....JWs do have the Truth...and soon everyone will see that.....
    • By PeterR
      So if this is the basis for your belief, then probably what you'll want to do is first of all find out which bible book your foundational scripture is in. (It's Exodus by the way.)
       
      Ex 1:6 - Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers and all that generation.
       
      It's not a complicated scripture.
      Let me ask you this. If you die in 2017 and all your brothers and all your generation also die at some point, what does "generation" mean if you don't impose any weirdness on the text? Do your precise birth and death times change the fundamental meaning of the word generation?
      Of course there are overlaps in a "generation". The only possible way for there not to be overlaps would be for each generation to have a batch of children be born at the same minute of a certain year, and die at a simultanous minute of a later year.
      But does your grandfather suddenly become part of your generation just because your life overlapped with him? Does that overlap of a few years between you and your brothers give latitude to distort the language to allow for President Kennedy to be of your generation even if your life overlapped with him?
       
       
       
       
    • By PeterR
      You would be asking the wrong question Anna.
      You need to ask him whether someone could be disfellowshipped for NOT believing it after baptism.
      If he says no, he is either misinformed, forgetful, or lying.
      Now I grant you, not every elder will apply the letter of the law (although in a JC it's more likely because of the group dynamics). But that there are procedures in place to allow for DF'ing someone who refuses to believe in particular teachings is very real.
      Let me ask you Anna - if I could prove beyond doubt that this was true would you accept it, or would you continue to make light of it?
      If you are determined to see only what you want to see I have no agenda to change that. But I can assure you that I do not speak from a position of ignorance or partial information in this regard.
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      Please email me the  Pure worship scripture via email tennyson@capemedia.co.za please I still have a problemdownloading the info. 
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    • Eric Ouellet

      Prière de Moïse qui nous apprend un message important pour les enfants de Dieu de nos jours.
       
      Ô Jéhovah, tu as été notre demeure de génération en génération.
      Avant que les montagnes soient nées
      ou que tu aies donné naissance à la terre et au sol productif,
      depuis toujours et pour toujours, tu es Dieu.
      Tu fais retourner le mortel à la poussière ;
      tu dis : « Vous, fils des hommes, retournez à la poussière. »
      Car, à tes yeux, mille ans sont comme le jour d’hier quand il est passé,
      comme une veille pendant la nuit.
      Tu emportes les humain ; ils deviennent comme un instant de sommeil.
      Au matin, ils sont comme l’herbe qui germe.
      Le matin, elle fleurit et se renouvelle,
      mais le soir, elle se flétrit et se dessèche.
      Oui, nous sommes consumés par ta colère
      et terrifiés par ta fureur.
      Tu mets nos fautes devant toi ;
      à la lumière de ton visage, nos secrets sont dévoilés.
      Nos jours déclinent à cause de ta fureur ;
      nos années s’achèvent tel un murmure.
      La durée de notre vie est de 70 ans,
      ou de 80 ans si l’on est particulièrement robuste.
      Mais elle est remplie de malheur et de chagrin ;
      elle passe vite, et nous nous envolons.
      Qui peut sonder la puissance de ta colère ?
      Ta fureur est aussi grande que la crainte qui t’est due.
      Apprends-nous à compter nos jours
      pour que nous puissions acquérir un cœur sage.
      Reviens, ô Jéhovah ! Jusqu’à quand cela va-t-il durer ?
      Aie pitié de tes serviteurs.
       
      "Au matin, rassasie-nous de ton amour fidèle,
      pour que nous puissions crier de joie et nous réjouir tous les jours de notre vie.
      Réjouis-nous pendant autant de jours que ceux où tu nous as affligés,
      pendant autant d’années que celles où nous avons connu le malheur.
      Que tes serviteurs voient ton action
      et que leurs fils voient ta splendeur.
      Que la faveur de Jéhovah notre Dieu soit sur nous !
      Puisses-tu faire réussir l’œuvre de nos mains,
      oui, fais réussir l’œuvre de nos mains. "
       
      Celui qui habite dans le lieu secret du Très-Haut
      logera à l’ombre du Tout-Puissant.
      Je veux dire à Jéhovah : « Tu es mon refuge et ma forteresse,
      mon Dieu en qui j’ai confiance. »
      Car il te délivrera du piège de l’oiseleur
      et de l’épidémie destructrice.
      Avec ses plumes il te couvrira,
      et sous ses ailes tu te réfugieras
      Sa fidélité sera un grand bouclier et un mur protecteur.
      Tu ne craindras ni les terreurs de la nuit,
      ni la flèche qui vole pendant le jour,
      ni l’épidémie qui rôde dans l’obscurité,
      ni la destruction qui ravage en plein midi.
      Mille tomberont à tes côtés
      et dix mille à ta droite,
      mais rien de cela ne s’approchera de toi.
      Toi, tu ne feras que voir cela de tes yeux
      quand tu assisteras à la punition des méchants.
      Puisque tu as dit : « Jéhovah est mon refuge »,
      tu as fait du Très-Haut ta demeure ;aucun désastre ne t’arrivera
      et aucun fléau ne s’approchera de ta tente.
      Car il donnera à ses anges un ordre à ton sujet,
      pour te protéger où que tu ailles.
      Ils te porteront sur leurs mains,
      pour que ton pied ne heurte pas de pierre. 
      Sur le jeune lion et le cobra tu marcheras ;
      tu piétineras le lion à crinière et le gros serpent.
      Dieu a dit : « Parce qu’il a de l’affection pour moi, je vais le délivrer.
      Je vais le protéger parce qu’il connaît mon nom.
      Il m’appellera à l’aide, et je lui répondrai.
      Je serai avec lui en temps de détresse.
      Je le délivrerai et le glorifierai.
      Je le rassasierai d’une longue vie
      et je lui ferai voir mes actes sauveurs. »
       
      "Au matin, rassasie-nous de ton amour fidèle,
      pour que nous puissions crier de joie et nous réjouir tous les jours de notre vie.
      Réjouis-nous pendant autant de jours que ceux où tu nous as affligés,
      pendant autant d’années que celles où nous avons connu le malheur.
      Que tes serviteurs voient ton action
      et que leurs fils voient ta splendeur.
      Que la faveur de Jéhovah notre Dieu soit sur nous !
      Puisses-tu faire réussir l’œuvre de nos mains,
      oui, fais réussir l’œuvre de nos mains." 


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    • Eric Ouellet

      JÉHOVAH SON NOM EST JALOUX, IL FAIT PARTIE DE SON NOM, POURQUOI?
      Exode 34:14 bible 1985 
      JÉHOVAH SON NOM EST JALOUX POURQUOI ?
      Jéhovah est le Dieu de la création de lui toutes choses est venue à l'existence, car il est le Créateur universel et le Père de tout les vivants, de tout ce qui existent dans l'univers. Quand nous lisons sa parole, beaucoup de versets et de chapitres nous démontrent, comment il voit notre existence et comment il nous guide vers le chemin de la lumière et de la vérité.
      EN PROVERBE CHAPITRE 2 JÉHOVAH PAR SON ASSISTANT, NOUS TRANSMET UNE LETTRE INSPIRANTE PAR SALOMON ET QUI TÉMOIGNE DE LA GRANDEUR DE SA PERSONNE, COMMENT IL EST UN PÈRE AIMANT, LE PÈRE DE TOUT LES VIVANTS ET DE TOUTES CHOSES, VOICI CE QU'IL RÉVÈLE À SALOMON:
      Mon fils (NOUS), si tu fais bon accueil à mes paroles et si tu gardes précieusement mes commandements, en prêtant une oreille attentive à la sagesse et en inclinant ton coeur vers le discernement, si , de plus, tu appelles l'intelligence et si tu élèves la voie pour obtenir le discernement si tu continues à chercher cela comme de l'argent et si tu le recherches sans relâche comme des trésors cachés, alors tu comprendras ce que signifie craindre Jéhovah et tu trouveras la connaissance de Dieu. Car Jéhovah lui-même donne la sagesse: de sa bouche viennent connaissance et discernement.
      PROVERBE 2 :1-6
      Dans ces versets Jéhovah nous enseigne, un fondement primordial à notre vie, une clef pour atteindre la connaissance et la sagesse, la logique, atteindre la pleine conscience.  Sa parole, la bible nous donne une vision par le fait d'acquérir la vision justes , les paroles justes, les pensées justes, la concentration justes,  les efforts justes, les actions justes, les moyens existences justes.
      Tout ce fondement de cette lois que Jéhovah a fondé est régis sur une vertue, qui est le fruit de l'Amour, car Dieu est Amour. Galates 5:22,23 et 1 Jean 4:8
      1cor 13:4 à 8 première ligne.
      Il est écris:
      L'amour est patient et bon. L'amour n'est pas jaloux, il ne se vante pas, ne se gonfle pas d'orgueil.
      N'agit pas de façon inconvenante,  ne cherche pas ses propres intérêts, ne s'irrite pas.
      Il ne tient pas compte du mal subi. Il ne se réjouit pas de l'injustice, mais se réjouit avec la vérité.
      Il supporte tout, croit tout, endure tout.
      L'amour ne disparaît jamais.
      JÉHOVAH est un Dieu qui montre l'exemple à suivre. Il démontre par sa création qu'Il est un Dieu d'équilibre et il n'impose à personne ce que lui même ne ferait. Jéhovah connaît toutes choses car tout ce que l'on vit dans notre existence maintenant, il connaît le bien d'une action et la conséquence d'une mauvaise action et cela en toutes actions bonnes ou mauvaises.
      Pendant sa méditation sur la création, avant qu'il ait créé notre univers, Jéhovah a créé une matrice du bien et une matrice du mal. De ces deux matrices, il maria les deux essences, LE BIEN ET LE MAL, dans sa pensée créatrice mais cela fut comme une assemblage de tout les possibilités combinables, ainsi créer une symbiose parfaite entre le mal et le bien.  Il fonda une loi pour ces lois du mal et du bien. Cela fut pour créer la loi de toutes les énergies connues et inconnues à notre pensée, pour que seul le bien soit unanime entre chacunes d'elles. (Genèse 3:22a)
      Ces deux matrices devaient être maitrisées par Jéhovah lui même, avant de créer sa première création qui fut dévoilé en Proverbe 8:22à36. Jéhovah médita sur le bien de toutes choses et la conséquences de chaque choses. Il a vu comment la mauvaise union de deux éléments ou plus, pourrait devenir un danger pour l'équilibre de sa création et une bienfaisance parfaite dans un mariage uni et parfait DE TOUTES CHOSES.
      JÉHOVAH EST L'INSTIGATEUR  DU MARIAGE.
      Prenons une exemple: Imaginons un évènement où en assemblant deux liquides, qui sont opposés l'un à l'autre, qu'est ce qui pourrait en résulter et voir la conséquence de leur union, si nous ne prenons pas de précaution en les mélangent que se passera t'il?
      Voilà vous décidez de mélanger du lait avec du chlore, si vous feriez cela sans prendre conscience avant votre action, le danger de mélanger ces deux liquides. Votre vie pourrait être changé, par une conséquence très néfaste de cette action et résulter de brûlure sévèrent aux poumons et voir votre peau être brulée au troisième degrés pendant toute le reste de votre vie. Car en mélangeant ces deux liquides ensembles vous créez un réaction chimique qui créerait une bombe effervescente très dangereuse. Quand Jéhovah a médité sur le mariage de chaques éléments de son univers physique, particules, atomes et molécules, énergies, ect. Il a bien calculé chaques choses à sa pleine minutie, avant de commencer le début de sa création. Jéhovah usa de minutie et regarda toutes les formes de conséquences que l'union de deux contraires pourrait résulter dans le mariage de deux éléments ou qu'apporterait l'utilité de leur union à sa futur création. Alors Jéhovah qui est le Dieu de la création connaît toutes choses entre le bien et le mal, il connaît le chemin de l'équilibre parfait entre chaque formes d'énergies, matières, actions, pensées, désirs, émotions et sentiments...,.etc
      Allons ensemble en Exode 34:14 et dans ce verset je vais utilisé la version de 1985 ( Les saintes écritures traduction du monde nouveau) pour élaborer le thème de ce discours. 
      Exode 34 :14 allons lire  ensemble la partie b de ce verset.
      Moïse écrit: Par ce que Jéhovah dont le Nom est Jaloux,  c'est un Dieu jaloux.
      Comment dans ce verset, pouvons nous dire que Son Nom est Jaloux, car il est un Dieu jaloux ?
      Dans la bible nous distinguons Jéhovah comme un Dieu d'Amour et qu'il est la personnification de l'Amour mais ici, il est écris, qu'il est un Dieu jaloux et même son nom est "Jaloux "avec une majuscule. Dans le passage de 1 cor 13:4 à 8 a, il est écris que l'Amour véritable n'est pas jaloux.
      POURQUOI JÉHOVAH DIEU EST JALOUX ET QUE SON NOM EST JALOUX AVEC UNE MAJUSCULE? 
      COMMENT LA JALOUSIE PEUT - ELLE ETRE UNE QUALITÉ DE DIEU?
      Le thème "Jaloux" étymologiquement fait référence à une définition différente de notre pensée.
      "Jaloux" veut dire le sens étymologique (Le premier de toute chose, L'Unique.) Alors nous pouvons par cette définition dire que notre Dieu dont son nom est "Jaloux" représente véritablement son nom car il est le Premier Dieu et qu'Il est l'Unique Dieu universel, Créateur de l'univers et qu'il est le Seul à avoir toujours existé et qu'il est le seul vrai Dieu,  À PART LUI IL N'Y A PAS DE DIEU AUTRE QUE LUI. En pensant que Jéhovah son Nom serait "Jaloux" ce nom serait approprié car il est le seul Dieu et Unique Dieu de l'univers, IL EST LE SEUL À CONNAÎTRE TOUTES CONNAISSANCES ET SAGESSES, ETC. VOILÀ POURQUOI SON NOM EST JALOUX, PERSONNE NE CONNAÎT, LA CONNAISSANCE DE DIEU.
      Quand Jéhovah a créé Adam, il lui donna le nom de "Adam" dont son Nom est: "homme tiré du sol". Quand Jéhovah a assemblé, Eve , par l'assemblage d'une création moléculaire, car "Eve" fut issue de l'adn d'Adam, elle est devenue, la femme compatible parfaite pour Adam. Cette femme porta le nom de "Eve" qui veut dire : "vivre" car d'elle toutes les génération futur des humains seraient créé en son sein de procréation par le début de la naissances de ces enfant et de ces petits enfants. 
      Alors là signification du nom de Dieu "Jaloux" qui signifie "Premier de toute choses et l'Unique" Jéhovah le Dieu de l'Univers" le nom Jaloux devient réaliste à notre compréhension. Jéhovah veut que nous comprenions son Nom. Comprendre ainsi la raison de ce Nom "Jaloux" dans (Exode 34:14 partie b) QUI FUT RÉVÈLÉ PAR MOÏSE.
      Pourquoi Jéhovah est un Dieu jaloux et comment le thème de jaloux peut être une qualité de Jéhovah et comment le prouver?
      COMME AU DÉBUT DE CE DISCOURS, J'AI FAIT SORTIR UN POINT IMPORTANT DE PROVERBE 2:1 À 6  JÉHOVAH EST UN PÈRE AIMANT ET DANS CE PASSAGE CELUI QUI SUIT SON CHEMIN CONNAÎTRA LA SAGESSE, L'INTELLIGENCE ET LE DISCERNEMENT.
      Alors voyons ensemble comment la terme jaloux est une qualité de Jéhovah. 
      Le terme que Dieu est "jaloux" est apporté dans le verset d'Exode 34:14 comme une adjectif de protection. Ce terme"jaloux"est basé sur le fait que son Amour est parfait et l'Amour que Jéhovah apporte envers les humains de la terre et envers toutes sa Création et fait partie de la qualité du terme "jaloux". JÉHOVAH  a créé son dessein pour le voir grandir et vivre la joie de voir toute sa création jouïr de la vie et non de la mort. 
      Quand le Fils de Dieu est venu au monde qu'elle était l'émotion qui s'animait en lui.
      Allons en proverbe 8 :22 à 31 et regardons les paroles de Jésus:
      Dans ce texte, Jésus est détaillé au féminin car il est le complément de la création, et à la fin, il montre qu'il est un mâle.  Je vais approfondir ce point par la suite.
      Il est écris: Jéhovah m'a( produite) ( féminin) comme le commencement de son action (oeuvre), la plus ancienne de ses oeuvres, d'autrefois. Depuis des temps antiques on m'a établie dans ma position, depuis le début, depuis des temps antérieurs à la terre. J'ai été (enfantée)( féminin), quand il n'y avait pas de mer profonde,  quand il n'y avait pas de sources débordantes d'eau. Avant que les montagnes furent misent en place, avant les collines, j'ai été (enfantée)( Féminin),  alors qu'il n'avait fait la terre et ses champs, ou la première motte de son sol. Quand il a préparé le ciel, j'étais là. Quand il a dessiné l'horizon à la surface de l'eau, quand il a placé les nuages en haut, quand il fondé les sources des profondeurs, quand il a imposé à la mer un décret interdisant à son eau d'aller au delà de ce qu'il ordonnait, quand il a posé les fondement de la terre, j'étais alors près de lui comme (un habile ouvrier)( masculin). J'étais (celle) ( féminin) à qui il était particulièrement( attaché)( masculin), jour après jour. JE ME RÉJOUISSAIT TOUT LE TEMPS DEVANT LUI: je me réjouissait au sujet de sa terre devenue habitable et j'étais particulièrement (attachée) (comme une mère) aux fils des hommes. Esprit Saint COMME JÉSUS  LE FILS DIEU EST FÉMININ ET AUSSI COMME LE PÈRE MASCULIN CAR JÉHOVAH RESPECTE LE PRINCIPE DE L'OEDIPE DE LA VIE.
      LE FILS DE DIEU ÉTAIT COMME DÉTAILLÉ COMME UNE FEMME (VIERGE AVISEE) SOUMISE À DIEU ( ATTACHÉE) ( ATTACHÉ) À LUI EN TOUT TEMPS COMME UN ENFANT QUI AIME SON PÈRE. DANS LE verset 30 LÀ, IL MONTRE QU'IL EST UN HABILE OUVRIER. ALORS NOUS VOYONS QUE JESUS À CETTE ÉPOQUE était UN MÂLE TRAVAILLANT SA FÉMINITÉ, et sa MASCULINITÉ, pour quelle raison? Car Jéhovah est le Dieu Createur et Jésus est le complément de la création, IL EST LA LUMIÈRE , quand le Fils de Dieu réalisait les oeuvres que Jéhovah lui donnait, il travaillait sa masculinité (HOMME). Dans le verset 30 il, le Fils de Dieu, devient au masculin car il utilise un pronom masculin "Un." Alors le Fils de Dieu fut la première oeuvre de Dieu. Nous voyons ce même détaille dans sa dernière prière avec ses douze apôtres. En Jean 17:24 à  la fin du verset il est écris:  TU M'AS AIMÉ AVANT LA FONDATION DU MONDE. NOUS VOYONS ICI  QUE JÉSUS LUI MÊME DÉMONTRE QUE JÉHOVAH L'AIMAIT ET QU'IL ÉTAIT SA PREMIÈRE CRÉATION.  NOUS SAVONS QUE LE FILS DE DIEU SUIVAIT LES PAS DE SON PÈRE, CAR IL DIT: QU'IL ÉTAIT (ATTACHÉE)(féminin), AU FILS DES HOMMES. ALORS NOUS POUVONS AFFIRMER QUE JÉHOVAH NOUS AIMENT VRAIMENT CAR LE FILS AIME LES HOMMES ( femme et homme) PAR UNE ATTACHEMENT PARTICULIÈRE. COMME JÉHOVAH AIME SON FILS D'UN ATTACHEMENT PARTICULIER ( comme un Père)
      EN PROVERBE 8 : 30,31 LE FILS DE DIEU DÉMONTRE PAR SA PLEINE VOLONTÉ QU'IL SE RÉJOUISSAIT EN TOUT TEMPS AVEC SON PÈRE. IL AIMAIT ÊTRE AVEC LUI CAR IL DIT QU'IL ÉTAIT (ATTACHÉE et ATTACHÉ) EN PENSÉE (MASCULIN ET FÉMININ)
      À LUI, D'UNE MANIÈRE PARTICULIÈRE. ALORS NOUS POUVONS DISTINGUER QUE LE FILS AVAIT LE LIBRE ARBITRE ET AUSSI QU'IL AIMAIT JÉHOVAH CAR IL RESSENTAIT ÊTRE AIMÉ PAR SON PÈRE ET DIEU CRÉATEUR. 
      ALORS SI NOUS DISONS QUE JÉHOVAH EST UN DIEU JALOUX NOUS VOYONS ICI QUE LE FILS ÉTAIT HEUREUX ET NON EN PRISON OU DOMINÉ PAR DIEU D'UNE MANIÈRE POSSESSIVE. SON ATTACHEMENT À SON PÈRE ÉTAIT DE SA PROPRE VOLONTÉ. ÊTRE AVEC DIEU EST UN BONHEUR IMMENSE ET JÉSUS LE DÉMONTRE DANS CES VERSETS ET AUSSI QUE LE FILS PARTICIPAIT À L'OEUVRE DE SON PÈRE ET IL PARTICIPAIT À LA JOIE DU PÈRE ÉTERNEL ET VIVANT UN BONHEUR CONSTANT.
      (DANS LA LETTRE DE JEAN en Jean chapitre 1) JEAN nous révèle que Jésus participa à la création de toutes choses, il est devenu lumière  ( devenu UN PARTICIPANT EN TOUTES CHOSES DANS EXISTENCES DE TOUTES ÉLÉMENTS, QUE CONSTITUENT LA CREATION DE DIEU,  dans le monde physique de notre univers. Alors comme un enfant est enfantée par une mère, Jésus est une mère et un homme en action sur le modelage de tout ce qui fut créé sous la loi du Père Créateur de toutes choses , notre DIEU JÉHOVAH LE TOUT PUISSANT DONNA À SON FILS LA POSSIBILITÉ DE PARTICIPER AU DESSEIN DE DIEU CAR L'ESPRIT SAINT DE DIEU LUI DONNAIT LA PUISSANCE DE LE FAIRE ET DE PLUS DIEU PAR L'ESPRIT SAINT PRÉCISAIT TOUTES CRÉATIONS DU FILS SOUS LA LOI DE SON DESSEIN.
      LA TERME JALOUX EST UNE QUALITÉ DE DIEU. VOIR LE NOM JALOUX EN MAJUSCULE, EST QUE JÉHOVAH EST L'UNIQUE DIEU DE TOUT L'UNIVERS ET LE SEUL QUI A TOUJOUR EXISTÉ et LE SEUL QUI CONNAÎT TOUTES ASSEMBLAGES DE TOUTES CHOSES CAR SON FILS OINT FUT UN PARTICIPANT AU DESSEIN DE DIEU.
      COMMENT NOUS ENFANTS DE DIEU, POUVONS NOUS BÉNÉFICIER DE LA JALOUSIE DE NOTRE CRÉATEUR  ET DE LA PROTECTION DE SON NOM "JALOUX"
      NOUS QUI AIMONS JÉHOVAH, POUR BÉNÉFICIER DE SA QUALITÉ PROTECTRICE NOUS DEVONS SUIVRE CELUI QUI FUT LE PREMIER CRÉÉ DE LA CRÉATION. CES PAROLES NOUS INSPIRENT DE VOIR QUE LE FILS DE DIEU VIVAIT ET VIT TOUJOUR UN BONHEUR ULTIME AVEC NOTRE DIEU CRÉATEUR QUI EST JÉHOVAH. JÉSUS QUAND IL ÉTAIT SUR LA TERRE A DÉMONTRÉ LES PRINCIPES LES PLUS IMPORTANT POUR CONNAÎTRE LA JOIE D'ÊTRE AIMÉ ET ATTACHÉ À NOTRE CRÉATEUR, ÊTRE AIMER PAR JÉHOVAH.
      Jésus à dit: Jean 8 :32 et proverbe 2 :1 à 6 Vous connaîtrez la vérité et la vérité vous libèrera. Quand aux versets de ( proverbe 2:1 à 6) ce passage nous dévoile que nous devons avoir le désir de l'écouter, avoir une oreille attentive à sa sagesse, CRAINDRE JÉHOVAH, ouvrir son coeur à lui, de montrer notre intention à le connaître et demander par la prière la sagesse, l'intelligence et le discernement. 
      EN EXODE 34:14  NOUS DEVONS AIMER JÉHOVAH NOTRE DIEU ET DE L'ADORER LUI SEUL ET PERSONNE D'AUTRE, CAR IL N'Y AUCUN AUTRE DIEU, QUE LUI SEUL. ALORS NOUS VOULONS ÊTRE AIMÉ DE JÉHOVAH, NOUS DEVONS L'AIMER COMME UN FILS ET UNE FILLES DE TOUT CE QUI EST EN NOUS D'UN AMOUR VÉRITABLE.
      En (Proverbe 2: 7 à 11) Jéhovah précise sa jalousie,comme qualité positive, et démontre à qui Jéhovah partage la sagesse et ,à qui, il donne Sa protection. Lisons ces versets ensemble, il est écris: Il garde précieusement sa sagesse pratique pour les hommes droits; il est un bouclier pour ceux qui se conduisent avec intégrité. Il veille sur le sentier des justes, et il protègera le chemin des fidèles. Alors tu comprendras aussi ce qui est juste et droit et équitable et tu comprendras quelle est la bonne voie à suivre. Quand la sagesse entrera dans ton coeur et que la connaissance deviendra agréable à ton âme la capacité de réflexion veillera sur toi et te préservera tout les jours de ta vie.
      Nous voyons dans ces versets que Jéhovah est attaché aux hommes femmes et enfants, qui ont des qualités particulières.  Il garde précieusement la sagesse pratique pour les hommes droits. Jéhovah use de son adjectif de protection (Jaloux) de Dieu aux hommes qui manifestent,  non seulement la qualité de la droiture mais aussi celle de la qualité de l'intégrité. Il est un bouclier "" Jaloux"" contre le méchant . 
      JÉHOVAH EST UN DIEU JALOUX COMME RELATE EXODE 34:14: JÉHOVAH DEMANDE UN ATTACHEMENT SANS PARTAGE. JÉHOVAH EST UN DIEU DONT SON NOM EST JALOUX  CAR IL PARTAGE LA SAGESSE DE LA VÉRITÉ, DE L'INTELLIGENCE ET DU DISCERNEMENT VÉRITABLE AUX HOMMES , FEMMES ET ENFANTS AUX COEUR DROIT ET QUI AGISSENT AVEC INTÉGRITÉ VENANT DU COEUR ET D'UN AMOUR SINCÈRE .
      À TOUT CEUX QUI VEULENT DEVENIR ENFANT DE JÉHOVAH , LE SEUL VRAI DIEU, RESTONS COURAGEUX, OBÉISSANT, INTÈGRE, AVEC UNE CRAINTE SALUTAIRE DEVANT LE SEUL VRAI ET UNIQUE DIEU ET QUE NOTRE AMOUR POUR JÉHOVAH, SOIT FERME POUR AINSI BÉNÉFICIER DE VIVRE LA PROMESSE DE NOTRE ROI JÉSUS CHRIST SON OINT ET AINSI DE VIVRE HEUREUX DANS LE PARADIS DE LA PROMESSE DE VIVRE SUR UNE TERRE NOUVELLE  POUR TOUJOUR. PSAUME 37:29 .
      NE RENONÇONS DE AUCUNE MANIÈRE DE SERVIR NOTRE DIEU AVEC VIGUEUR D'UN COEUR REMPLIS D'AMOUR VÉRITABLE.
      ERICO

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