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48 minutes ago, Gone Fishing said:

any rational thought

-anything what person can imagine is reality -

Before God created things, first he was had;

thought
idea
imagination

Do not forget this.

My imagination is not crazy as you think. Rational ideas are in there :)))  

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52 minutes ago, Gone Fishing said:

Yeah, you're a legend ........in your own mind!

ahhaahha NOOO Fisher.... it is in your mind ...you said, "you're legend"  :)))) i was never said that for myself.

Few more of your statements like this and you will come to be Legend :))))  

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

He will pummel you nonetheless. That fellow knows law. Don't try to peddle emotion disguised as law before him,  because @Allen Smith will catch you at it every time.

Protest "pummelling," - my foot. It is not exactly badmitten anyone else is playing here. Even you have stepped over the line of sheer pleasantry.

How so? I've been very polite and respectful :)

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On 11/19/2017 at 9:14 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

G. Jackson indicated to the ARC that he would welcome the modified statement: legally mandated across the board, and not just applied retroactively when you want to apply it to someone you don't like.

Why can't Mr. Jackson make the changes within the org himself instead of waiting on secular gov't make him do it?

Why wouldn't he/they do this for the protection of the children? 

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13 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

Why can't Mr. Jackson make the changes within the org himself instead of waiting on secular gov't make him do it?

Why wouldn't he/they do this for the protection of the children? 

Legal Department and other board directors aka GB must vote before final decision. It is Company.

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I don’t know, at what point people lost focus on why for instance, the ARC was formed, and its purpose as a “research” commission. They will submit their final report on December 14, 2017, thus closing the inquiry. (i.e. disbanding the board)

 

As of:

 

Report for the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse 2014

 

The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse is required to inquire into, among other things, ‘what institutions and governments should do to achieve best practice in encouraging the reporting of, and responding to reports or information about, allegations, incidents or risks of child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts

 

Mandatory reporting laws were first enacted in 1969 in South Australia. The last state to

enact its first mandatory reporting law was Western Australia in 2009. This is a period of

40 years

a.    Different reporter groups Possibly the most significant difference is in which persons

are required to make reports. Normally, the reporting duty is applied to members of at least four occupations who regularly work with children: police, teachers, doctors and nurses. However, even this general approach is not present in every Australian state and territory There are numerous different approaches. At one end of the spectrum, the Northern Territory makes all citizens mandated reporters. Close to this end of the spectrum are New South Wales, South Australia and Tasmania, which mandate a large range of occupations. Closer t

o the other end of the spectrum is Queensland, which mandates three professions.

 

South Australia is the only jurisdiction to include clergy as mandated reporters, although the duty does not extend to suspicions developed through confession.

 

The Australian Government has made NO significant changes to their laws. They still hold, police, teachers, doctors, and nurses as the “primary” source for reporting child abuse.

AS OF:

Mandatory reporting of child abuse and neglect September 2017

Who is mandated to make a notification?

The legislation generally contains lists of particular occupations that are mandated to report. The groups of people mandated to notify cases of suspected child abuse and neglect range from persons in a limited number of occupations (e.g., Qld), to a more extensive list (Vic., WA), to a very extensive list (ACT, NSW, SA, Tas.), through to every adult (NT; and Vic. for sexual offences). The occupations most commonly named as mandated reporters are those who deal frequently with children in the course of their work: teachers, doctors, nurses and police.

 

As of September 2017, which territory has an exception for Clergy?

South Australia

Who is mandated to report?

Medical practitioners; pharmacists; registered or enrolled nurses; dentists; psychologists; police officers; community corrections officers; social workers; a minister of religion, a person who is an employee of, or volunteer in, an organisation formed for religious or spiritual purposes, (with the exception of disclosures made in the confessional); teachers in educational institutions including kindergartens; approved family day care providers; any other person who is an employee/volunteer in a government or non-government organisation that provides health, welfare, education, sporting or recreational, child care or residential services wholly or partly for children, being a person who is actively engaged in the delivery of those services to children or who holds a management position in the relevant organisation, the duties of which include direct responsibility for, or direct supervision of, the provision of those services to children

 

The only territory that includes “clergy” as a mandate to report child abuse is still the South. But, ironically, they STILL hold the exception for information gathered by confessional. (i.e. privileged communication).

 

 Australia, after “all” that DRAMA AND TRAUMA with the ARC, inquiry? ALL that mudslinging? Everything conceivable that could be asked was “asked”. Their conclusion was to uphold the ACT of 2004- 2008. The same laws, that are on the books, now. Read the Ben Matthews Report

The legislation that governs the mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse in Western Australia is the Children and Community Services Amendment (Reporting Sexual Abuse of Children) Act 2008. From 1 January 2009, these mandatory reporting provisions will become part of the Children and Community Services Act 2004.In Western Australia, mandatory reporters of child sexual abuse under the Children and Community Services Amendment (Reporting Sexual Abuse of Children) Act 2008 are:
• doctors
• nurses and midwives
• teachers
• police officers.

It seems the Australian Government DIDN’T LEARN much, to make worthwhile changes to their laws, yet.

Did they “accept” Bro. Jackson suggestion, to make child sexual abuse reporting “mandatory”? Throughout Australia? NO! So, all that gasoline on that fire, achieved what? To the Australian Government, so far? NOT MUCH!!!!!

Perhaps 2018 will bring something more suitable than just playing politics with peoples lives. But, no guarantees under the rule of the god of this world. 2 Corinthians 4:4

It’s the responsibility of the parents, and then the community to protect those that can’t defend themselves from evil!!!!

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11 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

It’s the responsibility of the parents, and then the community to protect those that can’t defend themselves from evil!!!!

Are Jehovah's Witnesses a part of the community?

As the ARC pointed out .... matters not reported to the police as a matter of NATURAL CONSCIENCE ... puts the community as a whole at risk .... not JUST Jehovah's Witnesses.

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13 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

It’s the responsibility of the parents, and then the community to protect those that can’t defend themselves from evil!!!!

You put lot of efforts, time, patience to bring many reading  material in your comment.

After all this, one thing is need to be answered and you avoid that. Does JW org have inside problems with child molestation or JW org are free of that evil thing?

Second, about your sentence i quote above. Yes, there is some order of how things should be, what is natural inside human interactions in family and society. You missed one little detail in this. Parents are mainly responsible for children, for sure. But Elders are responsible, for parents and by that to their family, inside congregational structure. Structure of congregation (and  structure of WT Company as that entity who run all congregations around the world) is based on elements that is not made by some parents. Rules, obligations, expectations and much more, inside congregation is powered by elders who are agents of WT Company. So, elders are those who have obligation to warn congregants when found they have person inside who are threat for children or adults. And we all know how elders are instructed not to tell and warn congregation about child molester who are in congregation. So please be more .... be more something, hahahaha, chose by yourselfalone what you want to be "more" ....but only in positive direction. 

Best regards! :)  

    

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1 minute ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I am glad that you put this as honored member of JW community here. If I have had done this i would received some comments how i twisted words :))))))))))) and have bad motives, ahahhaa. 

Well (this has become one of my favorite quotes lately) the truth is truth no matter who says it :)

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On November 21, 2017 at 1:00 AM, AllenSmith said:

Did they “accept” Bro. Jackson suggestion, to make child sexual abuse reporting “mandatory”? Throughout Australia? NO! So, all that gasoline on that fire, achieved what? To the Australian Government, so far? NOT MUCH!!!!!

Another thing I like about Allen is that he raises strawmen. Persons reveling in critical thought hate strawmen. They think the world is their courtroom where they can cross-examine anyone at will. Their critical thinking is always just that - it is the glory of being critical that they revel in. God help us should these persons of critical thought ever take over. The most vociferous among them famously do not gladly suffer fools  - and a fool is anyone who disagrees with them.

I like strawmen. They are a fine rhetorical means of putting things into perspective. In some cases, they amount to saying: "your point is too silly to merit a serious answer," which is true of many petty things opposers harp on in this forum.

The ARC hearing resulted in 'Not Much?' If so, it is typical of the "sound and fury, signifying nothing" we usually get from such folks. They stumbled upon the solution. They didn't even stumble upon it - it was put to them by one of our people. But the simple solution has thus far proved impossible to for them implement because they represent a tangled mess of conflicting agendas who simply cannot put such differences aside so as to cooperate no matter how dire the situation or sacred the cause. What they can do is build a platform upon which to grandstand. For some of them, that is enough.

Their actions screw up as many people as they help. Locally, police just nabbed a kindergarten teacher with kiddie porn on his computer. It is bad stuff, even for kiddie porn. They grilled him and he admitted he has fantasized over the children in his charge. They caught him via an international sting operation tracing filthy pedo content originating overseas. He has never actually done anything to any of the children he teaches. But he has pinched spare underwear from their backpacks to take home and he's drawn much pleasure from dreaming of what could be.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/22/kindergarten-teacher-busted-for-child-porn-stealing-kids-undies/

Okay? He is one sick puppy. No way can you have him teaching kindergarten, even though he has never touched a child. It is reasonable to think it is only a matter of time before he does, for he is feasting on what will only build his appetite. (Except for child porn, you can't even slip THAT assumption past ones of critical thought, since they will demand proof that indulging in such porn does not harmlessly distract perverted persons from the real thing) And these people would pose as our moral superiors?

The question to be addressed is: how do you remove him as teacher? For the sake of the children, you do it discreetly. You say "Mr. Feely has had to leave and he won't be coming back. He had an emergency come up. He wanted to say goodbye but had to leave immediately." Was it handled that way?

You know it wasn't. "MR FEELY IS A PERVERT!! HE WAS TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN AND JUST LOOK AT THE DISGUSTING FILTH ON HIS COMPUTER!! HE EVEN SWIPED JANIE'S PANTIES!!!!!!!!!" It was top news for days on end. Thirty children are scarred for life and know now that any adult - no matter how benevolent, might easily be (probably is) trying to molest them. What child does not love his or her kindergarten teacher? Who is trusted more? 

Even for the guy's own sake, it might be acknowledged somewhere that he had thus far resisted acting upon what he was feeding himself with. It might be a case of 'salvaging what is left.' Instead he is universally denounced as a depraved monster - thus there is no way he will ever cover. He might not anyway, but why ensure the outcome? He can be put on the sex registry list without throwing the city into an uproar. He is done so with maximum publicity mainly for entertainment purposes and to allow certain ones to puff out their chests about their moral righteousness.

The only reason authorities started tracking viewers of porn in the first place is because they thought they could thereby cut off the flow. I guess they got that wrong.  It has continued to grow exponentially for years.  Users will store the stuff on thumb drives and bury it in their back yards before they give up on it. The top cop in Britain recently said, though it pained him, that such users should not be prosecuted. There is no way police can possibly keep up - there are so many - and by attempting it they are torn from pursuing the most dangerous criminals. You can't have every third person employed as a cop.

And the world would play moral superiority with Witnesses?

The world slaps down perversion on one hand and feeds it with the other. Does anyone think the Law and Order - Special Victims Unit show is not a magnet to draw and feed molesters who fantasize over the world they would love to see? Does anyone think they walk away saying: "Wow. This is bad! I should never do it"? The show is entertainment for the average person? I cannot watch one straight through. It is entertainment mostly to vigilantes and perverts and perverts-in-training.

And they would pretend they are more righteous than us? I don't think so.

Meanwhile there is an underage kid placed on the registry for having sex with his girlfriend of 13. This, despite the prevalent teaching that parents should accept the fact that their kids are going to have sex and to get them vaccinated for HPV and not be so Victorian about it. Another young man is put on the list for having sex with his underage girlfriend who misrepresented herself as above age. In each case a domino effect is started and neither young man is likely to ever fully recover. 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/11/oklahoma.teen.sex.offender/index.html

These stories are a dime a dozen. They are collateral damage in a war where zealots say: "we may not be able to do anything about terrorism or suicides or corruption or injustice or drug abuse or job insecurity, but by God - we CAN do something about perverts fiddling with our kids. But in fact, they can't even do that. A depraved world cranks out pedophiles as readily as it cranks out men who become radicalized and shoot up or run down anyone in sight. 

These people are our moral betters?

There is a style among women that I can only call the pedo look. Grown women with hairstyles and polo shirts to look like little boys. Probably just a coincidence.

Here is a headline story in the New York Times gushing over a ten year old male model. "His eye makeup is better than yours!" it swoons. Is this a perv site? No. It is the New York Times. The boy has over 330,000 followers on social media. What a great success story! Do you think they ask how many of them are pedophiles? Why - it doesn't occur to them to go there. Soon they will run another blockbuster story exposing the results of what they now push.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/style/his-eye-makeup-is-way-better-than-yours.html

And they would play the moral high card? This world does everything it can to titillate perversion and then acts all furious when it actually breaks out. Allen doesn't let them get away with it, though most others acquiesce to some degree, and the real villains push the notion that the world's pedo problems would largely disappear were it not for that religion they can't stand.

 

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On 11/24/2017 at 5:59 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

God help us should these persons of critical thought ever take over.

I really cannot believe this is your actual position. I am in awe, and not in the meaning of awesome. 

You mean to tell us that you prefer mindless adherence over critical thought?  After reading your post........yes, this is exactly what you want and prefer. 

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On 11/15/2017 at 1:52 AM, Gone Fishing said:

And I think it could also be said, in summary, that although Jehovah's servants can make mistakes, Jehovah God may not remove his backing, as long as they respond to His disciplene and correction (as experienced by David).

Which David always did, and which the Governing Body never has. 

“To Solomon, God said, “As for you, if you walk before me as your father David walked, with a heart of integrity and in what is right, doing everything I have commanded you, and if you keep my statutes and ordinances” 1 Kings 9:4

This is the difference between David and the leaders of the Watchtower, who refuse to follow court procedures, who disfellowship other anointed ones and brethren for rejecting doctrine not based on scripture; and although they teach JWs to serve God with complete heart, mind and soul, out of the other side of the mouth they expect servitude toward an organization. Matt 6:24  Many decrees are broken and ignored by the Watchtower. 

The difference between David and the GB is the integrity of heart. 

 “New light” or “present truth” are not other terms for discipline and correction.  God “sends” his discipline in the form of affliction; by removing his protection and allowing Satan to do his thing. Luke 22:31  If we desire THEN to listen to God’s decrees, which Wt. leaders do not do, it results in the cleansing of our sins. Mal 3:2; 1 Pet 1:6,7; Heb 12:11; Rev 3:18

INDIVIDUALLY.

Truth is far more important than unity built on error.  Establishing Truth within ourselves is by submitting our heart completely to the God of Truth and His Son. 

Never, has God expected us to tolerate lies from the mouths of teachers and leaders.  Jer 23:16; Luke 6:43,45  We do not receive salvation through unity to a consistent operation of error.  Ezek 18:31; Zech 7:12; Heb 10:29; Titus 2:14

“How happy is the one who does not
walk in the advice of the wicked
or stand in the pathway with sinners
or sit in the company of mockers!
 Instead, his delight is in the Lord’s instruction,
and he meditates on it day and night.”  Ps 1:1,2

 

 

 

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On 11/27/2017 at 1:01 PM, Shiwiii said:

I really cannot believe this is your actual position. I am in awe, and not in the meaning of awesome. 

You mean to tell us that you prefer mindless adherence over critical thought?  After reading your post........yes, this is exactly what you want and prefer. 

I am not opposed to critical thought and it is you who said 'mindless adherence,' not me. You make a mistake if you accept critical thinking as the be-all and end-all, though - the benchmark by which anything should be judged.

If you would so revere critical thinking, extend it to the Bible itself. Who says it is inspired? What evidence is there? 40 men staying on topic? A theme furthered down through he ages? Are you serious? Do you really think that will satisfy those who insist critical thought must be the final arbiter?

The fact is that Jesus did not cater to it in the slightest. Let the ones who worship critical thought squabble themselves into oblivion, as they do here and in ten thousand other places. Jesus bypassed them all and spoke directly to the heart. @Noble Berean, @Elisabeth Dolewka

 

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I am not opposed to critical thought and it is you who said 'mindless adherence,' not me. You make a mistake if you accept it as the be-all and end-all, though, the benchmark by which anything should be judged.

If you would so revere critical thinking, extend it to the Bible itself. Who says it is inspired? What evidence is there? 40 men staying on topic? A theme furthered down through he ages? Are you serious? Do you really think that will satisfy those who insist critical thought must be the final arbiter?

The fact is that Jesus did not cater to it in the slightest. Let the ones who worship critical thought squabble themselves into oblivion, as they do here and in ten thousand other places. Jesus bypassed them all and spoke directly to the heart. @Noble Berean, @Elisabeth Dolewka

 

I've already given you the example from your post, but you choose to ignore your own comment and try and twist it into my assumption of what is and what is not critical thinking. 

Its really sad seeing you back track and try to justify your position by making the onus on me for the comments you made and trying to use Jesus to back you up. 

It all falls flat Tom. 

Wake up. 

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1 hour ago, Noble Berean said:

This says it's dated November 11...everyone was saying it was still up in the air? Was a decision made a month ago?

Someone already posted this at the beginning of this thread.

It is up in the air because it can be appealed. Which no doubt it will be...until it reaches the US supreme court. They have always treated us fair. Ok, most of the time. So there is a possibility this will come to nothing at all.

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        Spectacular,  incredible,  amazing....  rarely  seen  smoke  rings  at  Mt. Etna ! ( Rarely  seen  smoke  rings  at  Mt. Etna  filmed  by  Geoff  Mackley  on  8th  June  2000 )
    • Enjoy  your  glass  of  fine  Whisky,  @James Thomas Rook Jr. ....  better  than  Coca -Cola,  YES !
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