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This tragic story has been developing over the last couple of days in Venezuela. There is a mixture of reports and accounts coming in....

Two Jehovah's Witnesses (and fleshly sisters) aged 71 and 65, where found murdered. A 26 year male suspect has been arrested.

In the apartment where the two where found dead, the words "Death to witnesses" (“Muerte a los testigos”) had been scrawled onto one of the walls.


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Horrible! I guess the 2 sisters exposed his wrong doing to the elders so he took revenge.

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The two different sources in Spanish state that the two old ladies were Jehovah's witnesses... let me see if  I can translate them later :) 

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      By Guest Nicole
      Patrisse Cullors is many things, but she is definitely not a terrorist. She is a catalyst. She is a crusader. And she helped found Black Lives Matter. Cullors, 34, recently published a memoir titled When They Call You a Terrorist. It’s a work in halves: “All the Bones We Could Find,” which recounts her adolescence, and “Black Lives Matter,” which demonstrates how tragic incidents of her youth propelled her to create one of the most influential — and polarizing — social justice groups today.
      The movement took shape in the wake of the 2013 killing of Trayvon Martin, but for Cullors, its roots are centuries deep in American history, and a lifetime within herself. Cullors first wrote the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag in a comment on a Facebook status of co-founder Alicia Garza, who was lamenting the acquittal of Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman. Since then, the movement — with the help of its third co-founder, Opal Tometi — has become a national coalition for protesting violence and systemic racism against black people. As Cullors tells TIME, “This call, this need and this desire for a Black Lives Matter started when I was much younger.”
      Cullors was nine when she saw her 11- and 13-year-old brothers needlessly slammed into a wall by police. She grew up in Los Angeles in the 1990s, raised by a single mother in Section 8 housing, along with her sister and two brothers — one of whom would later be diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. His mental illness resulted in multiple trips to prison, where he was beaten and forced to drink toilet water, Cullors says.
      And then there was her father — not the mostly absent but loving man she grew up believing was her dad, but her biological father, whose identity her mother revealed when Cullors was 12. He also served several stints in prison, both before and after he came into Cullors’ life. His offenses were related to crack possession — i.e. substance abuse and addiction. Jail, Cullors and co-author Asha Bandele write, “is how our society responded to his drug use.” “I think we have a crisis of divesting from poor communities, black communities in particular, and reinvesting into these communities with police, jails, courts, prisons,” Cullors says.
      When They Call You a Terrorist deals with the incarceration and disenfranchisement of black men like her father, but it also explores facets of Cullors’ personal identity — black womanhood and sexuality, as well as spirituality. Cullors identifies as a Queer person who is mostly interested in other Queer people, though she has had multiple heterosexual relationships. She muses on her experience as a Jehovah’s Witness who remained committed to the faith for years, even in exile. (Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowships members who are judged to have committed a serious sin, which meant that Patrisse’s mother as well as her children were shunned from the religion and other family members after she got pregnant with Patrisse’s oldest brother as a teenager.) Cullors weaves her intellectual influences into this narrative, from black feminist writers like Audre Lorde and bell hooks, to Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin and Mao Zedong. Reading those social philosophers “provided a new understanding around what our economies could look like,” she says. Reading Lorde and hooks “helped me understand my identity.”
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      By Guest Nicole
      Leer esta nota: http://www.laprensa.hn/mundo/1154308-410/mujer-asesina-a-su-familia-tras-ser-expulsada-de-los-testigos-de
      Mujer asesina a su familia tras ser expulsada de los Testigos de Jehová, según amistades. Una mujer estadounidense de Detroit, Michigan, mató a su esposo, sus hijos y su perro antes de suicidarse el pasado fin de semana, en un caso que conmocionó a esa ciudad, informaron medios locales.
    • By Bible Speaks
      My dear brothers, we are going to help our people who are having a bad time, especially in matters of medicine.
      Last year's experience taught us several things. We already have an old man from Ciudad Bolivar who offers to receive medicines and who is in charge of distributing them to the needy. We will give the information of this brother in private to those who send me a message that they want to send help.
      Small packages by Mail came very well to the brother who received them last year. Any cleaning product can be put into the package and if they ask to specify the contents of the package, we will put on the TOILET ARTICLE, although they also carry medicines. It was also good to send through door-door system agencies, which does not pass through customs.
      It is evident that we can not send all the medicines for all diseases, so we will limit ourselves to the most urgent ones, such as hypertension or painkillers such as Buscopan or Aspirin.
      The brother tells us;
      "good idea to help us, if you need hypertensive, antibiotics, here in Bolivar we have a strong outbreak of malaria and facial treatment is not obtained, it is also needed for depression and for mental problems such as clonazepam rivotril sertralina, there is a sister You need more Buscopan Plus for pain, we appreciate the help you can give us "
      Many brothers and sisters are already asking for information like this sister: "Hello brother Jose I would like to send to the brothers of Venezuela clothes for children and coats If you have the address where you can send please give it to me and also if you know of some means of doing it other than the mail Thank you brother I live in California "
      Brothers and sisters, this is a drop in the ocean of the needs of our people in a country where humanitarian aid is impeded. DO NOT SEND MONEY, that   does not arrive.
      If there are any responsible brothers such as elders or ministers who offer to receive this help, they should tell me urgently and everything will be done in private.

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      By Guest Nicole
      ¿Cuánto tiempo necesita uno para estar  inactivo al punto de que ya no se considere que está envuelto con la religión de los Testigos de Jehová? 
    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      Los testigos de Jehová,  Edgar Medina y Argenis Romero visitaron la sala de El luchador para invitar a todos nuestros lectores este fin de semana a una asamblea la cual lleva por nombre “No se rinda, siga cumpliendo la ley de Cristo”.
      Esta actividad está pautada para el próximo  sábado 09 y domingo 10 de diciembre a partir de las 9:40 am hasta las 3:55pm, se realizará en el salón de asamblea La Ceiba, ubicado en el kilometro 75 de la autopista Puerto Ordaz, Ciudad Bolívar.
      Es importante resaltar que será totalmente gratuita, también que este programa está basado en su totalidad en La Biblia por lo tanto va dirigido a todas las personas, con la finalidad de rescatar los valores de la sociedad. 

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      By Guest Nicole
      A 57-year-old Perth woman is facing a life jail term after being found guilty of murdering her elderly mother and burying her body in a shallow hole in the back yard of their home, in a crime that prosecutors said was motivated by "palpable dislike and hatred".
      Helen Levina was found guilty by a Supreme Court jury of inflicting fatal injuries to 76-year-old Ella Hromaya, whose decomposing body was found in bizarre circumstances in March last year.
      The two women lived at the South Guildford house with Levina's daughter. After coming home early one afternoon, the daughter let the family's four dogs outside and later found one of them, a great dane, licking her grandmother's skull.
      The daughter, who can not be identified, immediately called police who found Ms Hromaya's body partially buried behind two wheelie bins, with a crate and a dog bed on top.
      It was alleged at her Supreme Court trial that Levina, who was her mother's official carer, had murdered her on February 22, before putting the body in the grave and pouring bleach over it to speed up decomposition.
      Also found in the grave were a knife and a pair of scissors, while a second knife was found in one of the wheelie bins.
      A post mortem examination found two injuries to Ms Hromaya's head and multiple stab wounds to her legs.
      Relationship soured
      Prosecutor David Davidson said the motivation for the crime was the "palpable dislike and hatred" Levina had for her mother, a "small, frail woman", who the court heard had lived with her and her family on and off for about 40 years.
      The jury heard from a neighbour who testified that about six months before the murder, Levina had said to him:
      "I have my mother living with me. I can't stand the f***ing b****. I want to kill her."
      In his closing address to the jury, Mr Davidson highlighted Levina's two video recorded interviews with police in which he said she described her mother as "it", and said that during her 24 years of marriage she would "just show up like a bad smell".
      Levina told detectives "there was always tension in the house" and readily admitted she wanted her mother to move out, saying "I just didn't want to see her".
      In the interviews, Levina claimed the last time she saw her mother was when she left the house with two Jehovah's Witnesses who had visited her before.
      She said the two came to the door and her mother, who was in her pyjamas, said to her "I'm ready".
      Levina said she asked, "Ready for what?" and her mother replied, "They're taking me to the place I'm going to live".
      Levina claimed she then saw her mother pack up everything, "including her winter pyjamas," and leave.
      She said she had not heard from, or seen, her since.
      There was evidence that Ms Hromaya had, through the Department of Housing, secured new accommodation and she had been due to collect the keys on February 23, but the court was told she did not show up.
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      By Guest Nicole
      Con signos de violencia. Así fueron hallados, dentro de su apartamento, los cadáveres de dos hermanas en Ocumare del Tuy, estado Miranda.
      Tenían más de dos días sin ser vistas y los vecinos, junto a los miembros de una iglesia de Testigos de Jehová, a donde acudían las mujeres, se alarmaron. Para entrar al apartamento, bomberos debiero derribar la puerta principal del apartamento ubicado en el edificio 4 de la urbanización Cristóbal Rojas, mejor conocida como Parosca.
      Las vícimas fueron identificadas como    Milta Mireya Joseph Best, de 71 años, y Cecilia Josefina Joseph (65). La policía estimó una data de muerte de 48 horas.
      Medios capitalinos reseñaron ayer: la ausencia de las mujeres en la iglesia donde se congregaban como Testigos de Jehová alertó a sus hermanos de religión, quienes acudieron hasta su residencia, tocaron la puerta, pero nadie les respondió. Luego, conversaron con algunos vecinos y estos les informaron que tenían dos días sin verlas, así que dieron parte a las autoridades.
      Una comisión de la Policía Municipal de Lander acudió al sitio, de donde salía un fuerte olor. Bomberos mirandinos forzaron la reja para entrar al inmueble, en cuyo interior localizaron a las dos hermanas muertas y con signos de violencia.
      Una de las fallecidas quedó, en la sala, sobre una silla de plástico blanca, con las manos atadas. La otra fue hallada en una habitación. Ambas tenían contusiones y signos de estrangulamiento.  
      Vecinos y allegados a las víctimas repudiaron el doble homicidio. El Cicpc acudió al lugar y adelanta las indagatorias para determinar el móvil del hecho.
      La noche del domingo se informó que el Cicpc y Polilander detuvieron a tres hombres implicados en el asesinato de las dos hermanas de la urbanización  Parosca.

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      Venezuela: “We Swear We Were Gonna Pay You Back”
      It’s always fun and games until one country decides to miss a $200 million loan payment. Heavily-indebted, inflation-riddled Venezuela has officially defaulted on the first of (what should be) many loan payments.
      What went wrong? Well, it’s hard to pay off $60 billion in IOUs to bondholders with only $9 billion left in the bank. That, and the fact Venezuela's already late on $420 million worth of payments. 
      If you’re looking to point the finger at someone, aim it at President Maduro(labeled a “dictator” by the Trump administration) and his drug-slinging partner-in-crime, Vice President Tareck El Aissami. Together, they’ve shown little promise of reviving the nation. Look no further than Monday’s debt restructuring meeting, where international investors didn’t get the plan they had hoped for (or any at all)...but they did get some chocolate.
      Altogether, Venezuela holds $150 billion in sovereign debt. And with this latest default, you better believe investors are flashing back to 2012...when Greece shocked the world, defaulting on over $200 billion.
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      By Guest Nicole
      Barry W. Bussey: Last week, the Supreme Court was asked to do something courts never do: review the solely religious decision of a church
      On November 2, the Supreme Court of Canada was asked to do something Canadian courts never do: review the solely religious decision of a church community. Until now, the courts have recoiled from getting involved in religious disputes—and for good reason.
      The case involves Randy Wall, who was dismissed from a Jehovah’s Witness church for failing to repent of his religious offences: getting drunk on two occasions and verbally abusing his wife. Wall’s appeal to another church entity was unsuccessful. He then appealed to a court of law by means of “judicial review,” on the grounds that the church had denied him a proper hearing. 
      In Canadian law, in a process known as “judicial review,” a person can ask a court to “review” (i.e. hear) whether the decision of a “public actor” (such as a government licensing agency) was unfairly decided. Courts rarely review decisions of “private actors” (such as a church); they generally do so only if a private actor’s decision engages property or civil rights. In Wall’s case, the court had to determine whether the Jehovah’s Witness church’s decision involved property or contractual rights, which would then enable the court to review the church’s decision.
      "The church argued it was a private religious body, not a public body"
      The church argued it was a private religious body, not a public body, and that its decision did not affect Wall’s property or contractual rights. It also argued that its disciplinary procedure was a religious process involving prayer and scripture reading aimed at reconciling the relationship between Wall and the church. The lower courts both held that religious decisions can be reviewed by courts to determine whether a church gave a fair hearing, even if no property or contractual rights were engaged. However, both courts were also of the view that property rights were an issue in the case. The Supreme Court of Canada must now decide whether those courts were right. The Supreme Court reserved judgment after last week’s hearing; we can expect its decision early in the new year.
      Courts like to “fix things.” They naturally want to find resolutions to disputes; this is what they exist to do. However, courts have historically avoided getting involved in religious cases, recognizing that they lack the expertise and authority to settle religious disagreements. They handle legal cases, such as contractual disputes, but not religious cases that raise metaphysical truths, such as the definition of God.
      Wall argued his case did involve a “property right,” because his dismissal from his church meant the church members were no longer willing to do business with him. As a real estate agent, 50 per cent of his clientele were Jehovah’s Witnesses. His business folded from the loss of their support. He says there is a direct line of causation between his loss of church membership and business loss. It’s likely the case that one caused the other, but that doesn’t mean Wall’s claim is a legally enforceable property right. 
      "A church member is not required to patronize the business of a former church member"
      The reality is, Wall chose to limit his business to Jehovah’s Witnesses and took a personal risk in doing so. The church did not tell him to do so, and certainly there is no known legal principle that says a church is responsible for the economic losses that might flow from a loss of membership. A church member is not required to patronize the business of a former member. In the same way, we would not expect a former husband to maintain business with his ex-wife’s family.
      At last week’s hearing, Wall’s legal counsel tried to persuade the court that, if there are no grounds under Canadian law for the court to interfere in purely religious matters, the court should then consider adopting U.K. law, which does allow this type of review. “Good luck!” Justice Rosalie Abella quipped, prompting everyone to burst into laughter.
      That exchange suggested the court was not persuaded that it is time to change the law to allow courts to get tangled up in reviewing decisions of religious bodies. That would be a good thing, as courts don’t have the moral or legal authority or doctrinal expertise to decide such matters.
      This hearing occurred around the time of the 500-year anniversary of Martin Luther’s nailing of his 95 Theses to a church door in Wittenberg, Germany. If we have learned anything since then, it’s that the law does not need to apply to every nook and cranny of our lives – especially our religious affairs.
      Barry W. Bussey is Director Legal Affairs at the Canadian Council of Christian Charities. He blogs at lawandreligion.org

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      By Guest Nicole
      The judicial committee of a congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses asked the Supreme Court of Canada today to rule that Canadian courts do not have the authority to review the expulsion of one of their members — arguing that judicial review by the courts should not extend to decisions by private and voluntary associations that have no effect on the public at large.
      The Highwood Congregation, located in northwest Calgary, brought its appeal to Ottawa after Randy Wall took the congregation to court for expelling him from the church. The congregation’s judicial committee “disfellowshipped” Wall in the spring of 2014 after his family reported to the group’s elders that he had been drunk on two occasions and was verbally and emotionally abusing them — and after determining he was not “not sufficiently repentant” for those actions.
      After three internal and unsuccessful appeals, Wall applied for judicial review of the congregation’s decision-making process, insisting it was flawed and that the congregation’s judicial committee had “breached the principles of natural justice and the duty to be fair.” Both the Court of Queen’s Bench and Court of Appeal in Alberta declared that it is within the jurisdiction of the superior court to review Wall’s case.
      The congregation’s appeal of those two rulings, heard by the Supreme Court Thursday morning, has attracted a lot of attention from legal experts and religious communities across the country. Echoing the congregation’s plea today in the packed Ottawa courtroom were 12 religious, political and civil liberties groups — all of them unanimous in arguing the top court should not interfere in the membership decisions of religious bodies.
      The consequences of such interference, they said, would be detrimental to the self-determination of religious groups.
      “It (would) fundamentally alter our nation and not for the better,” counsel for the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms said in court.
      “The wish or desire of one person to associate with an unwilling person (or an unwilling group) is not a legal right of any kind,” the group wrote in its written submission to the Supreme Court. “For a court, or the government, to support such a ‘right’ violates the right of self-determination of the unwilling parties.”
      This question of jurisdiction is one that has been explored and decided on by the courts — including the Supreme Court of Canada — in the past. Case law shows the top court has recognized the the autonomous ability of religious and private voluntary associations to govern their own affairs and dictate who can and cannot be a member of a congregation.
      The courts have determined, however, there is room to intervene in specific cases when a membership decision turns on property or civil rights — or is of “sufficient importance to deserve the intervention of the court.”
      Wall — who does not dispute the allegations against him that formed the basis of the congregation’s decision to kick him out — argues his case meets those requirements because his “disfellowship” caused him to lose business clients, suffer “significant economic harm” and experience fraught family relations.
      In return, the congregation argues that neither Wall’s property rights, nor his civil rights, were affected by their decision. Justice Russell Brown also remarked during the hearing that “one does not have a justiciable right to earn a living.”
      The congregation also argued that it did not ask or force its members to boycott Wall’s business — but people choose to do so in line with their religious convictions. Counsel for the congregation also said that “the door is not closed” to Wall and he can be reinstated in the congregation in the future.
      More generally, the congregation argued that it would be inappropriate for the courts to review the internal decision-making processes of religious groups because those processes are ecclesiastical.
      In a news release, the Association for Reformed Political Action — one of the 12 intervening groups — said the case before the Supreme Court has “profound implications for the separation of church and state” and it believes the court should maintain a hands-off approach to membership decision-making by religious groups.
      “Secular judges have no authority and no expertise to review a church membership decision,” the association’s director of law and policy, André Schutten, wrote in the statement. “Church discipline is a spiritual matter falling within spiritual jurisdiction, not a legal matter falling within the courts’ civil jurisdiction. The courts should not interfere.”
      The Canadian Muslim Lawyers Association took a slightly more nuanced position, arguing in its factum that “there will inevitably be cases where judicial intervention in the decisions of religious groups is ‘warranted'” but courts “should intervene … only in the rare case where required by a prevailing public interest.”
      Thursday’s hearing was heard by all nine justices on the Supreme Court bench. Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin said the court will reserve its decision after today’s hearing.
      Overflow seating was set up in the front hall of the Supreme Court to accommodate all the people who came to see the hearing live.

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