Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!

[Anna]

19 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

But the point here in this discussion seems to be is it important for the JW 'bosses' to blow this out of all proportion ? Or are they using it as a way of pretending to be 'righteous' ? 

As someone already mentioned, this video is for a selected audience only, those who are to serve in Bethel. Although the org. has mentioned the inappropriateness of masturbation for a Christian, based on principles in the Bible, it has only done so  occasionally. It has not been blown out of all proportion. However, addiction to pornography has become a big problem (in the world too) and I have no doubt that masturbation has a lot to do with it.  As James 1:14 warns: " But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death."

[JOHN BUTLER]

2 minutes ago, Anna said:

As someone already mentioned, this video is for a selected audience only, those who are to serve in Bethel. Although the org. has mentioned the inappropriateness of masturbation for a Christian, based on principles in the Bible, it has only done so  occasionally. It has not been blown out of all proportion. However, addiction to pornography has become a big problem (in the world too) and I have no doubt that masturbation has a lot to do with it.  As James 1:14 warns: " But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death."

I think the GB are well aware that most things they do, write, video etc become public very quickly.  I think in many cases the GB are just trying to impress the public, just as the Pharisees did. Put on a show of 'righteousness'.  Who leaked this vid' out anyway if it is for a 'private' audience ? Do the GB really think the young people in Bethel don't know about the massive amount of Child Abuse going on in the Org ? Hypocrisy at its best. 

[Vic Vomidog]

46 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Who leaked this vid' out anyway if it is for a 'private' audience ?

Hehehehe

[Anna]

4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I think in many cases the GB are just trying to impress the public, just as the Pharisees did. Put on a show of 'righteousness'. 

Yes, that's your opinion. My opinion is the video is embarrassing and would not impress the public.

4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Do the GB really think the young people in Bethel don't know about the massive amount of Child Abuse going on in the Org ? Hypocrisy at its best. 

That's a whole different topic and a very complex one. Unless you've been directly involved in this issue or have had several personal experiences you can't really know what you're talking about. This topic is discussed elsewhere if you want to comment there.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, OK.   I mean in regard to what you said;  "In any Corporation, the ONLY way to correct things that are seriously wrong, is to fire those responsible."

Having never claimed to be anything but a Barbarian, it should be as no surprise that I might use real fire .... if it was up to me.

After a fair trial ... not allowing any witnesses ... no recordings ... no transcripts .... at night, in a darkened Kingdom Hall, in the back room ... with the front door locked ....  of course.

I mean ...... fair is fair.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

(flip)   .... zing .... zing .... zing .... I gotta get some new flints for this thing ....

[Srecko Sostar]

8 hours ago, Anna said:

My opinion is the video is embarrassing and would not impress the public.

agree!

On other hand, if video belong to category called "spiritual food in proper time", then it would be of general benefit for all JW membership, not just for selected audience in The House. 

[Srecko Sostar]

3 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

agree!

On other hand, if video belong to category called "spiritual food in proper time", then it would be of general benefit for all JW membership, not just for selected audience in The House. 

appendix:

I'm wondering if any of you know the answer to the question. Did the video/videos be watched separately, by group of - men, women, married, unmarried or some other combination in the audience?

[Space Merchant]

On 9/21/2018 at 12:47 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

In honesty I don't think the masturbation problem is such a problem in God's eyes. To some humans that want to judge others, masturbation can be used as an excuse to judge, and could possibly be big business for 'shrinks'.. As for the JW's Governing Body, i think the masterbation video and other info' is just a 'smoke screen' or side track, to take the pressure off the serious problems within the Org. If the GB can pretend to be concerned about the cleanliness of the Org then it will look good for them in front of man. But of course God sees through such things. 

Masturbation and Pornography, anything in connection to Sexual Immortality and or ill fleshy desires is indeed something of which God isn't fan of.

I don't see how it is a smoke screen, as you say, when both the religious and non-religious speak of and do the same thing in order to give their two cents on the matter of prevention. This is why I told JTR, even linking him the very community of where all Christians spoke up on this matter, therefore, Christians doing this, it is not outlandish for the Jehovah's Witnesses to do the same thing - this also goes for the people who are against Okatu culture in Japan and elsewhere, of which people rather give themselves self-gratification rather, which is in the realm of sexual immortality.

You are free to look for the 2 links I provided JTR because such things are a smoke screen when the masturbation and Pornography is indeed problematic, I say this because I am someone who actually help young ones with such issues, give advice and so forth, even losing a friend to it when those of the adult industry pulled her in and made her face public, even my own brother who had been addicted to pornography for some years came clean because of the help that me myself and my father provided, what we did was not anything in trying to pretend to do anything, we realized the problem, we went about it both as a as a family and spiritually and because of our efforts, he ceased the addiction. This situation an the situation of a late friend mirrors that of the many, many young ones and teenagers, even adults of whom I had spoken, who are also battling with that of sexual immorality, for this battle matters not race and or faith because it is a problem that is great one and help provided is nothing as you call it, a smoke screen, and to people who deal with these things, hearing these stories, I see this as a jab to the chest.

And regarding the problem it isn't an issue of judging, it is an issue of zeroing in on the problem and trying to fix and or help when an individual and or persons is dealing with masturbation and pornography.

Next time you want to say something is but a smoke screen, take the time and read the experiences, stories and struggles of those in the same boat. Even what the Jehovah's Witnesses bring forth of this matter, the same information can be found here:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFapChristians/

(and that is only 2 to the community as a whole, nothing in this regard even when professed by others is a smoke screen)

When you actually help a great deal of people and listen to them about this addiction, it would never be wise to call it a smoke screen. You of all people should know this addiction that plagues today's society is like that of a virus, whereas people have to fight their own inner demons to overcome it while others fall victim to it and see themselves as worthless people such ones who do not take the time to see, listen and hear do not extend their hand to help.

The other factor here is if they are trying as do others who actually use their blood and sweat into doing so, what are you contributing to helping prevent masturbation and pornography addiction, how would you deal with a young one who nearly did something very, very grave because of the addiction?

That being said, you've yet to show how and where did a Restorationist group had suddenly lost favor in God when their Christology points to them striving to and or have been attempting to be like the early church - in this regard, informing their community about masturbation and pornography.

 

[Space Merchant]

13 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

appendix:

I'm wondering if any of you know the answer to the question. Did the video/videos be watched separately, by group of - men, women, married, unmarried or some other combination in the audience?

Stuff like this is usually done depending on the individuals. If something regarding the addiction is in association with males, most likely it will be a male audience, the same can be said of women also, for some today do not believe women can succumb to this addiction. Sexual Immortality is catered predominately men, for it is said that anything related to sex and or women can be used as a weapon to men, therefore sending them into sexual immorality and other vile things.

Some issues deemed too extreme and or explicit is also another factor.

As for the married and or anyone who is dating, it is done so the couple is aware of such issues. Like I said, there are others who do this also, example would be the reboot community otherwise known as The Reboot Nation - another pocket army who is at war with masturbation and porn, it's founder being Gabe Deem.

[JOHN BUTLER]

5 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Masturbation and Pornography, anything in connection to Sexual Immortality and or ill fleshy desires is indeed something of which God isn't fan of.

I don't see how it is a smoke screen, as you say, when both the religious and non-religious speak of and do the same thing in order to give their two cents on the matter of prevention. This is why I told JTR, even linking him the very community of where all Christians spoke up on this matter, therefore, Christians doing this, it is not outlandish for the Jehovah's Witnesses to do the same thing - this also goes for the people who are against Okatu culture in Japan and elsewhere, of which people rather give themselves self-gratification rather, which is in the realm of sexual immortality.

You are free to look for the 2 links I provided JTR because such things are a smoke screen when the masturbation and Pornography is indeed problematic, I say this because I am someone who actually help young ones with such issues, give advice and so forth, even losing a friend to it when those of the adult industry pulled her in and made her face public, even my own brother who had been addicted to pornography for some years came clean because of the help that me myself and my father provided, what we did was not anything in trying to pretend to do anything, we realized the problem, we went about it both as a as a family and spiritually and because of our efforts, he ceased the addiction. This situation an the situation of a late friend mirrors that of the many, many young ones and teenagers, even adults of whom I had spoken, who are also battling with that of sexual immorality, for this battle matters not race and or faith because it is a problem that is great one and help provided is nothing as you call it, a smoke screen, and to people who deal with these things, hearing these stories, I see this as a jab to the chest.

And regarding the problem it isn't an issue of judging, it is an issue of zeroing in on the problem and trying to fix and or help when an individual and or persons is dealing with masturbation and pornography.

Next time you want to say something is but a smoke screen, take the time and read the experiences, stories and struggles of those in the same boat. Even what the Jehovah's Witnesses bring forth of this matter, the same information can be found here:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFapChristians/

(and that is only 2 to the community as a whole, nothing in this regard even when professed by others is a smoke screen)

When you actually help a great deal of people and listen to them about this addiction, it would never be wise to call it a smoke screen. You of all people should know this addiction that plagues today's society is like that of a virus, whereas people have to fight their own inner demons to overcome it while others fall victim to it and see themselves as worthless people such ones who do not take the time to see, listen and hear do not extend their hand to help.

The other factor here is if they are trying as do others who actually use their blood and sweat into doing so, what are you contributing to helping prevent masturbation and pornography addiction, how would you deal with a young one who nearly did something very, very grave because of the addiction?

That being said, you've yet to show how and where did a Restorationist group had suddenly lost favor in God when their Christology points to them striving to and or have been attempting to be like the early church - in this regard, informing their community about masturbation and pornography.

 

I think you missed my point. Yes masturbation is not something God is pleased with, but neither is the Governing Body of the JW Organisation. For the GB to make such a video when they are deliberately allowing Child Abuse / Pedophilia within the same Organisation is total hypocrisy. I see it as they are trying to use anything else to turn people's attention away from their dishonest dealings regarding Child Abuse. 

[Space Merchant]

23 hours ago, Anna said:

As someone already mentioned, this video is for a selected audience only, those who are to serve in Bethel. Although the org. has mentioned the inappropriateness of masturbation for a Christian, based on principles in the Bible, it has only done so  occasionally. It has not been blown out of all proportion. However, addiction to pornography has become a big problem (in the world too) and I have no doubt that masturbation has a lot to do with it.  As James 1:14 warns: " But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death."

Indeed. Some advice giving by people, even by religious folk can be cringe worthy by some, but it has a foundation. And advice is given so because sexual immortality is on an increase, in today's day and age, you have VR chat, anything that is done in places that promote sexual immortality, it can be emulated by motion controls and a VR headset, for any move you do, it is reproduced in the virtual game itself.

Our children also have to be careful in this domain, for even their favorite characters from shows and or video games, there are those who take those characters and turn them into something inappropriate, for instance, Franklin the Turtle, there are those out there that has made volumes upon volumes of inappropriate material of this one character from a kids show, and it does not stop there.

Next we have magazines like Vogue promoting Sodomy to children, and even teaching them on how to do that when they barely hit the age of 18. It is stuff like this that irks me and or anyone who is fighting against pornography and the adult industry, for you can win one battle, then the next wave arrives, and another, and another. With every new piece of technology and new systems, the waves multiply increasingly each time.

That being said, I like the verse you used. For if one willingly gives the the problem more firewood, the fire will continue to grow bigger and bigger until it cannot be contained, in this same way this addiction, in turn, sin.