Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Please watch your racism checker!

Well ... since I have three mixed race children (white, black, Spanish, Inca Indian and Asian mix) with a permanent "tan", a suspicion of racism is thereby cut off at the knees.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, Gone Away said:

You seem to be saying that there should be no prohibition unless it is specifically mentioned in scripture. Would you say that tobacco smoking should be viewed similarly?

there are many things that are stupid, that Jehovah has not spoken against.

Its called FREEDOM.

I personally would rail against smoking because it is stupid, suicidal, addiction to drugs, and expensive, but NOT extrapolate and put words into Jehovah's Mouth that he did not speak.

The Society's policies often are a VERY good idea (sometimes NOT) ..... adherence where they espoused Bible counsel correctly, saved my life, integrity,  and health many times .... but when I used to Scuba Dive, Skydive, Surfboard, ride a motorcycle, and explore the Congo (working), and other things, opinions vary as to their advisability, and I considered their overreaching  just being busybodies, forbidding to others what scared them for the sake of total control of EVERYTHING.

(Sad, cringeworthy joke: "Everything that is not forbidden ... is mandatory".)

Jehovah spoke against becoming a drunkard many times .... and I seem to remember,  even against "druggery"..

What is "druggery", anyway? 

And who decides?

If Jehovah did not explicitly say that ... I personally would not make the Almighty God my personal agenda spokesman hand puppet.

However, "Quod est Necessarium, est Licitum" (That which is necessary, is legal). If someone smoked, say marijuana for glaucoma to preserve their eyesight, or to lessen the pain from cancer, I personally think that prohibition would NOT apply.

I am willing to bet my LIFE on that.

My mother and father died slow, from cancer.  If someone was dying and in great pain from disease or injury, being addicted to morphine I personally consider that drug addiction to be quite acceptable.

If they got "high" from it, it would be a side effect.  NOT "druggary" at all.

TRUE Theology ALWAYS has to make common sense !

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Would it be murder if someone was trapped in a burning car, was on fire, and I shot them in the head, killing them.

TECHNICALLY, yes.

... but not REALLY.

Not in the REAL world.of common sense.

On 9-11, when the World Trade Center Towers went down, dozens of people leaped to their deaths, rather than be burned alive.

Was that suicide?

TECHNICALLY, yes.

... but not Really.

Not in the REAL world of common sense.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

... by the way .... Jehovah never spoke against suicide ... another cultural moray to subvert common sense.

Soldiers understand this.

Busybodies do not.

By the way ... in principle, my comments are still on topic.

What is REALLY being discussed here is clergy over-reach, and going beyond the things the Bible  actually says.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

By the way, as a real aside ... did you know that in court cases about child molestation, the WTB&TS has repeatedly claimed "clergy-penitent privilege" to try and keep from having to disclose information to the authorities?

They claim they are clergy when it suits their corporate purposes, and declare they are not, when not on trial.

[Space Merchant]

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

SM you seem to be the only one on here worrying about it all.

Indeed because as I told you before, as well as here and now that I do deal with people who have these addictions, as well as those who have other issues, perhaps far greater compared to most, to which I even made mention to you a number of times, so it is not a surprise for me to speak and or react as such, granted I myself being someone, as do many in who are in the same position, to speak on and give information on the matter to better and or help someone.

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

These people that you say are trying to 'help' others.

The very reason why I asked you earlier: what are you contributing to helping prevent masturbation and pornography addiction, how would you deal with a young one who nearly did something very, very grave because of the addiction?

What help can you provide what it seems others cannot? How is  it you consider helping others in this domain a smoke screen when everyone is doing the same thing in order to combat the problem? I again 2 2 of the communities branch sites out of a dozen, nothing here is a smoke screen. What JWs have brought up in their help video is no different from what is being found and read here, the very reason I told someone earlier look up pillows here and see what results you will get, you will found out here that people do have problems:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFapChristians/

Another, of which I mentioned to Srecko Sostar in another post: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php

perhaps a fourth: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/

The list goes on because there is a HUGE community, regardless of race, religion, sex, culture, etc, are fighting this same big problem to the point differences are put aside. For at times even someone you dislike will come to common ground with you to deal with something that is a problem, and we hit the root of it too and help out those that are in suffering because of it.

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I have just re-read the first three pages and it seems to have started off as a joke... Pillow gate.

And if you continue to read further on, you will see responses in regards to masturbation and pornography, and what has been said.

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Do they get paid for doing so ?

Those that help such ones in this domain do not get paid to help people deal with such an addiction, we do so because we want them to not dwell in sexual immortality and or excessive masturbation, the very reason why our time and resources is used in order to accomplish this. To think people get paid for this, to aid others, is a bit silly. As far as I am concern, those links I provided, we do not see anyone getting paid to help a person who is afflicted with sexual immortality.

We help people deal with this addiction because we do not want them to be shackled by masturbation and pornography, mainly for those who have been dealing with the problem to the point it is borderline out of control whereas far more worse things, greater sin can be committed, as is provided an in real life example already if you seen my other response, even further back, more examples.

All persons, religious and non-religious will speak of this matter because as a whole, they see this an a big issue in a world that is accepting sexual immorality as if it is normal, I am sure you also see this with your eyes in what you are professing about a common problem taking place in religious and education institutions, its everywhere, not secluded to a single person and or group.

Surely if they taught sodomy to children (which they are doing recently, i.e. Teen Vogue Magazines), you would react, some of us will react to the point we will speak against the teaching of sodomy to children, this also goes for things far worse that is being pushed on to young ones and teens, the same can be said of the many of us who fight against those who take up what young people tend to like and twist it into something immoral and unclean, the very reason I made mention to several things in this regard to add on to what Anna was saying, for this is a reality when it comes to the selling of sexual immortality on the internet and catering to those they target and those who stumble upon it.

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Are they what i call 'shrinks' ? Messing with people's heads.

Helping someone to kick the habit isn't messing with people's heads. What is messing with people's heads is telling young people, teenagers and young adults that masturbation and pornography is okay, when in reality it is not. Telling those subjected to the sex addiction found within otaku culture is normal is wrong, for in reality, it is a problem.

I do not see any wrong in helping someone kick the habit, granted of how many people who have been helped to do so seen improvement in their lives and I have heard testimony from many, many, many people, and it isn't me alone - the very reason I even posted previously of someone who's addiction nearly led him to commit sexual relations with a woman, only to dodge a bullet by his own revelation to make the change, thus becoming a mentor in the process to fight sexual immortality with those who follow him, all of which are in connection to the community as a whole that is against sexual immorality. That my friend, isn't messing with people's head and such ones are not shrinks.

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Telling people what is right and wrong even though God Himself gives no direction on such matters.

You said before you read the Bible, the Bible tells you, clearly, on what sexual immorality is and what pertains to it. Such as sexual relations that is unlawful, adultery, sexual relations among people who are unmarried/not wed-locked, prostitution, bestiality, homosexuality, Sodomy, and other brazen conduct that some have upgraded overtime that is far to explicit to say and will make you perhaps shield your eyes and barricade your conscience, for such things are that spiritually unclean, as well as greatly unclean in the realm of morality. The Bible does speak on such matters, and as for God Himself, take to His Word, for instance, Deuteronomy 22:13-25 - Laws Concerning Sexual Immorality, Leviticus 18 - Unlawful Sexual Relations, Leviticus 20:10-16 - Punishments for Sexual Immorality, etc. We also have passages in the Greek New Testament, and clearly Apostle Paul was not shy of speaking on the matter himself, for instance, Acts 15:29, Galatians 5:19, Or perhaps in the four gospel accounts, examples like Matthew 5:32, or Matthew 19:9,or maybe Revelations 14:8, 17:2, and 18:3. That wasn't even using cross-references for these verse either.

The viewing of pornography and masturbation gives a negative attitude and such a thing is a corruption the mind. It causes people to think very very differently mainly when it comes to the though for sexual relations to the point they see an individual as nothing more than a sex object, they do not even see you as a human should the addiction continues to grow.

Sex itself becomes separated from love between a married man and woman, for due to the problem of which is being spoken of, such is reduced to pleasure and relieving sexual tension, and in feeds into the neurotransmitter of the body known as dopamine - you feed the mind sin, an the mind will continue to ask you for more sin, therefore, throwing verses like Colossians 3:5 out the window at this point.

That being said, it is not unexpected for someone to tell others of what is in the right and what is in the wrong, mainly give it is given as a warning and or advice.

14 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

God will judge each of us through Jesus Christ, when the time comes. Let us not be like the Pharisees who put extra burdens on the people. 

Telling people to abstain from Sexual Immortality, no matter how cringe, boring and and or repetitive the message is, is not being like that of a Pharisee. Moreover, you are misusing the context of that verse of which you speak, for no one is adding an extra burden, mainly when it comes to helping those with an addictive habit that is equal to smoking/drug addiction and or those who are struggling to not fall.

Take listen to this verse because if you do not do nothing, mainly when your brother and or sister is committing these acts [masturbation and viewing pornography] and clearly has a problem, of which you are probably knowing of, you yourself can commit sin if you know what he or she is doing is right and to not aid the person.

• James 4: 17 - So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

That is why I asked you the question early, should it be found among your household and or circle of friends and or relatives, regardless of their background and or faith, what would you have done if such one is either suffering of this addiction or, knowing they are doing this and practicing such willfully. I advise you read up more in anything and everything in relation to sexual immorality in Scripture, as well as take a good look at people who are dealing with this problem, an wanting to break free of the chains this problem puts on them.

In my case, for 9 years now, I haven't turned a blind eye to those, young and old who are dealing with this problem, for leaving them hanging like that is pretty much being in failure, that is how some would say, leaving a solider behind in the field of combat when you yourself knows that solider is alive still. Culture-wise, in my case of which I am molded by, no one is left behind, and I put this into application when it comes to people who suffer from masturbation and pornography addiction, remembering Jesus' lessons, which a bit of it can be picked up from John 13:2-14, I put them first, wanting to see that they conquer the addiction.

Help your brother, help your sister, put them first before you, above you even when it comes to helping them out. 

For God knows who is with him and who is against him. He knows of whom he approves, and whom he does not approve, and we know who will be judged, and who will not be judged.

[Space Merchant]

4 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Please watch your spell checker!

I tend to type really fast when being very specific with a response. Other times I tend to say something that is based on surface information and not full detail only to later on see the correction and or make the correction.

Although I cannot go back and edit, as it is with the system on this forums, cannot edit when a certain amount of time passes, it is what it is, however, the message still stands.

[Space Merchant]

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Well ... since I have three mixed race children (white, black, Spanish, Inca Indian and Asian mix) with a permanent "tan", a suspicion of racism is thereby cut off at the knees.

Well you can just simply say Mulatto because based on this response, that is what I am seeing.

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

On 9-11, when the World Trade Center Towers went down, dozens of people leaped to their deaths, rather than be burned alive.

And such would have never happened if the Americans never set foot in the Middle East.

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

... by the way .... Jehovah never spoke against suicide ... another cultural moray to subvert common sense.

God did speak about taking a life and or killing. Surely if one takes his or her life in suicidal fashion. suicide is, to some, a sin. It is not the greatest of sins, it is not the worse of sins. I will keep it as simply as that because there is a lot that can be said of such, but this isn't the topic to bring up full detail regarding this.

 

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

clergy-penitent privilege

It's part of common law. You'd be surprised of what such a thing contains and how and when it is used in the religious space.

[Space Merchant]

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It could be just me, but it seems that he has but a passing interest in the topic of discussion, if any at all, and but uses whatever the subject to further his peeve with the GB. If you discuss any other aspect of the topic, you lose him.

We will learn to be focused. For if it is another issue he wishes to speak of, HIS topic is still on the forums, as well as the other 2016 topic of which such was continued into. I believe it is the same one of which Srecko Sostar friend, the yes-man, in "the House of Chloe" tried to trick others that I am in favor of the KJV when I had spoken about Textual Criticism time and time again, in a response I made to Mr. Butler about child abuse. You'd be amazed of how some will use a typo to use against you, and this was the case with the Trinitarian who tried to twist church history.

[Srecko Sostar]

52 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Indeed because as I told you before, as well as here and now that I do deal with people who have these addictions,

Do you therapist or medicine man or doctor and in such way helping people in their addictions?

[TrueTomHarley]

8 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

It's like those that fear if their children play a Beatles Vinyl Album backwards , they will hear the words "Worship Satan".

They hear ‘Turn me on, dead man.’ It is very distinct and impossible to mistake, when they play backwards Revolution #9.

Check your ‘Beatles checker’

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

21 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

They hear ‘Turn me on, dead man.Â’ It is very distinct and impossible to mistake, when they play backwards Revolution #9.

Check your ‘Beatles checker’

Good Golly, Miss Molly!

Twist again, like we did last summer?

.... Chubby Checker

Book 'em, Dano.

Chubby Checker - Let's Twist Again (Don Saúl - Viejito Bailando) (EqHQ).mp4