Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!

[TrueTomHarley]

26 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Like watching an Indiana Jones movie, and when the Nazis show up, there is no need to belabor or explain who the "Bad guys" are.

"I hate these guys."  Indiana Jones

[Space Merchant]

@James Thomas Rook Jr. God isn't ignoring anything, he is and always is watching, it is up to us of ho we do things with our free will and time, decisions and whatnot. For he knows what he will do when he informs his Christ to return. Masturbation and Pornography has been around as far back as ancient Egypt, perhaps even further back so I wouldn't stop at Victorian Era/Age, granted we know even during those times, immortality was not only high, but obvious. Prostitution was pretty much riddled to your left and right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era#Morality

Other than that, anything that pertains to Sexual Immortality is indeed Sexual Immortality, any unclean ideas and or thoughts, etc, mainly when you live in a society of which sex sells. For instance, New York, specifically Manhattan, there are people allowed to roam about in their birthday suits, be it male and or female, and they sport body paint on a small portion of their body, this same area is where children, police, and other grown adults roam and it is the Time Square area. So among your Mickey Mouses, Wolverines, Spidermans, Marios and Woodys from Toy's Story, you will have a small few of nudist that are in the area and to anyone who is fighting with trying to stop practicing sexual immortality, they can relapse later on just by the sight of such ones in the crowd, mainly if so and so is been trying to avoid such for merely a few days so far.

But New York is but one of many, many examples, for you have the real world and the virtual world that consist of immorality that anyone can stumble upon, far worse if it is a young person who gets caught in that problem.

That being said, such an addiction is not easy for some to break away from. Think of it as this way - it is like trying to break free from chains.

As for your video it is hard to laugh at that when this community, with those who actually have the same goals here (ironically none of that Trinitarian vs. Non-Trinitarian here, just everyone vs. Sexual Immortality), exist: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFapChristians/ (This is just but one branch of the olive tree too)

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

In keeping with Space Merchants pertinent and informative post, there is more to be said along those lines because  ... I have an addiction I cannot shake ... and I will relate my sad experience.

I am addicted to DiHydrogen Monoxide, (DHMO) also known as "hydroxyl acid".

I am told it is not a choice ... that I was born that way, as my Mother was also an addict, during my entire gestation.

If I don't get my daily "fix", I start feeling weak and "out of sorts".

If I can't get a supply in 24 hours, I start to get really physically ill, and my body starts shutting down.

I am told that that of I do not ingest  any for six days, I will certainly die ... but hydroxyl acid withdrawal symptom permanent damage will occur before then.

OF COURSE, it is dangerous what I am doing, and if I overdose on DiHydrogen Monoxide, I will have congestive heart failure and die.

In February, I was in the hospital for 4 days because of a DHMO overdose, and nearly DID die from congestive heart failure!

It cost about $16,000 to save my life from this!

MILLIONS of people have died by suffocation from DHMO, recently  six Jehovah's Witnesses in one day, as it is fatal if inhaled.

I know that it is used as an industrial solvent ... yet I cannot break this habit ... DHMO has me in its slippery grip, and I cannot do without it!

In vapor form, it can cause severe burns ... and knowing this I STILL cannot break this habit. Sometimes I mix it with other things and drink it with steam coming off of it !

It is so insidious that the word "Zohnerism" is used to refer to its dangers on the human mind.

I hope the Elders do not find out,  as anything that is not specifically permitted, is of course ... forbidden, and I am an unrepentant,  habitual DHMO addict.

Even though in February, it almost killed me, I REFUSE to quit!

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

For those that work with Industrial Chemicals, here is the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet)  for DHMO required to have at every facility that uses or stores hazardous materials

[JW Insider]

7 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I am addicted to DiHydrogen Monoxide, (DHMO) also known as "hydroxyl acid".

At airports, three times now, I have been caught by the TSA at airport security with several ounces in my possession. Each time they let me go, but it was confiscated. Embarrassing.

[Anna]

On 9/18/2018 at 2:47 AM, Gone Away said:

Yes, in terms of Christian morality.

I agree. The thing is, no one will get disfellowshipped for masturbating.

[Anna]

On 9/18/2018 at 12:44 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The whole point of my berating this particular issue is that is "low hanging fruit", that is to say,  this is an almost universal experience of almost EVERYONE that is alive, or ever lived, , whereas murder is (presumably) NOT., so it is an EASY subject to address ..... But even that is not the main  point.

The MAIN point is " Do not go beyond the things that are written".  

Jehovah God has spoken against MANY things, sometimes dozens or perhaps hundreds of times.  O.K. ... THAT is "O.K. to reiterate as good counsel, but for crying out loud ... things that He has expressed NO OPINION ON WHATSOEVER .... leave the people alone!

Do not load a heavy burden upon them because we feel down to OUR bones that it MUST be the will of God ... WHEN GOD IS IGNORING IT.

I DO NOT LIKE WOMEN WITH MAKEUP.

I feel it is disingenuous, and clownish, and narcissistic. 

But THEY like it, and I can see no reason to burden people by lying that it is the will of God that they not paint their faces.  I could even say this is "an unclean practice" and immoral, if I believed that (which I do not), and invoke ambiguous scripture, or MANY scriptures that pretended to support whatever  pet agenda I might have.

The MAIN point is " Do not go beyond the things that are written".  

When we do, it opens up a Pandora's Box of creating a mindset that allows for ANY pet idea or bogus agenda to become acceptable ... and when invoking the false authority of God to support our sad, criminal silliness, we dishonor God, and chase people AWAY from the TRUTH.

I could expound on this theme for many pages .... but the major problem we have in the Truth today, is Victorian culture and personal preferences ... ARE PRESENTED AS THE WILL OF GOD!

This actually slanders Jehovah and his Christ, making them hand puppets where we are supplying the words.

The MAIN point is " Do not go beyond the things that are written".  

This issue is just the classic example of how the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

" Do not go beyond the things that are written".  

 

 

I get what you're saying. And yes, I'm sure you know of religions that have done that very thing, banned make up based on scriptures about modesty etc.

But masturbation isn't in that category, (of going beyond what is written) it has to do more with self control as part of the Christian personality that we are supposed to cultivate.

[Anna]

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Even though in February, it almost killed me, I REFUSE to quit!

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

1 hour ago, Anna said:

But masturbation isn't in that category, (of going beyond what is written) it has to do more with self control as part of the Christian personality that we are supposed to cultivate.

Therein lies the problem, Anna.

EVERYBODY who considers themselves a Christian, in every religion "Christian based" on Earth, has their own deeply felt ideas about what a Christian should be.

Makeup, tattoos, eating of foods or not, forbidding  clergy to marry, and the list is literally endless, as it varies with "new light", old light, flashing light, colored light, black light, etc.

Something that CAN be interpreted to fit a translator's, or interpreter's preconceived notions of their personal morays, WILL BE. 

This is where the common sense smell test has to take place.   Masturbation  MAY be alluded to in Paul's writings, but in the Old Testament, When Jehovah was a "harsher taskmaster", and NOBODY could obey the Old Covenant regulations .... THERE WERE NO REGULATIONS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

This was at a time when nearly EVERYTHING ELSE  was regulated.

Hard evidence, what we REALLY know from what is ACTUALLY clearly and unambiguously written is that Jehovah only mentioned it as something that Onan did, and the criticism was ONLY that he did not impregnate someone.

                                                            Look it up.

With this perspective, whatever Paul was talking about, common sense would dictate it was NOT THIS.

I am of course only guessing ... but understanding humans' propensity to want to control EVERY ASPECT of other peoples' lives ... and commonly  going beyond the things that ACTUALLY "written", and those same amateur tyrants can make a good living, by inducing guilt in the guiltless.

LEAVE THE PEOPLE ALONE.   ( God does NOT care about this )

DON'T BE A "BUSYBODY"  (... remember THAT scripture? )

Because ALL translators and interpreters are subject to what they do being filtered and colored through their own perspective, it is CRITICALLY important that we  do NOT GO BEYOND  the things in the Bible that are clearly and unambiguously written.

For a hundred years the Society has continuously "overreached" for organizational stability, and have had their butts chewed completely off! 

Overreaching, even with the best of intentions ( with which the road to hell is reportedly paved...)  generates tyranny,  and error .... and ingrained, induced mental illness.

Once this takes root, common sense no longer becomes all that common, and the Pharisees win, and that means the people  .... lose.

If they leave the TRUTH ... chased away ... it is the same as manslaughter.

And we who continue to carry these unnecessary heavy burdens become slaves, only to be  sheared and eaten.

Next thing you know, it will make perfect sense to treat our own family, spiritual and physical, with extreme cruelty.

There is a very simple solution.

"Do NOT go beyond the things that are written."

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

By the way ... I instantly got your cartoon joke!

Good thing I was not gargling with hydrogen peroxide when I saw it.

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

When Jehovah was a "harsher taskmaster", and NOBODY could obey the Old Covenant regulations .... THERE WERE NO REGULATIONS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. This was at a time when nearly EVERYTHING ELSE  was regulated.

Hard to fault the old pork chop here, much as I like to do it. Still, it's hard to picture the ancient Israelites carrying on this way.

[Space Merchant]

3 hours ago, Anna said:

I agree. The thing is, no one will get disfellowshipped for masturbating.

That can be a yes and no in some cases regarding excommunication. If anything, there would be a push to help that one person who is dealing with that problem some help. This was the case of my brother, who was literally deep in the trenches when it came to masturbation and pornography. Before myself and my father stepping in to help, after he commits such an action, you can tell, even though you do not know what he did until he spoke up, he was not 100%, and didn't get enough sleep.

3 hours ago, Anna said:

But masturbation isn't in that category, (of going beyond what is written) it has to do more with self control as part of the Christian personality that we are supposed to cultivate.

Agreed. In the community I linked here several times already, self-control is a key factor in trying to stop the habit. That and a ton of willpower, mainly if such one is practicing the habit for a very long time, and it is not easy.

Those who succeed act as an influence and or leaders to those in the same boat they use to set sail in.