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21 minutes ago, Michael Krewson said:

@TrueTomHarley this is what you were referencing the other day?

I think so, but it has been politicized. I see nothing about any walkout being permanent, pending the problem being fixed.

Of the new plans for symbolic actions and parades, I read: (from the posted article) 

"A number of people have told me it's frightening and powerful, and really sends a message," the 16-year-old told the BBC

Yes, it sounds fearsome, perhaps. But the actual tweet I posted, if acted upon, might have actually gotten something done. The kids have been hijacked by the grown-ups and sold the line that "sending a message" is the same as solving a problem. I can send 200 messages a day online, most of which will be forgotten by the next day.

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The National School Walkout is silly.

There is ONLY one thing that will stop an evil man from killing the innocent.

ONLY ONE.

And all the wishing, and hoping, and legislating in the world will not change that.

It is  good man of courage, with superior firepower, ( that means more bullets, for those in Rio Linda...) to engage and kill the evil man.

The only way to stop a Bad Guy with a gun ... is with a Good Guy, with a gun.

All else is a community intellectual circle jerk fantasy.

 

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On the other hand, I think it was an Australian cleric who said it best - when will Americans come to love their children MORE than their guns.

Look, one or the other. Strong gun laws or armed veterans. Either will arguably work - probably armed vets in the short run and gun laws in the long run. But neither will come about until kids put adults toes to the fire by permanently boycotting school until a fix is in place.

I mean, there is no possible way Rook is going to yeild on this. He doesn't think there are persons just as intransigent on the other side? So nothing will be done and a few dozen kids will be picked off yearly while these guys scream at each other over who is right.

But if the kids actually stop going to school.....

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The Universe decides who is right and who is wrong ... and liberal fantasies are COMPLETELY disregarded.

The intransigence on the other side is based on fantasy ...

It used to be that, during the late 60's terrorists hijacked Israeli Air Lines Jets, and Israeli citizens ... and in 1974 the Jews sent Commandos to Entebbe, Uganda  and other countries,  and violently rescued their people,  violating everybody's "national sovereignty" ... slaughtered the kidnappers, and took THEM hostage, and back to Israel for trial .... if they survived.

As soon as the terrorist world understood they would NEVER win ... and that they would ALWAYS die. the hijacking of El Al Airlines completely stopped..

The REASON there are school shootings is that THEY ARE GUN FREE ZONES !!!

The Bad Guys (BGs) know they have time to slaughter without instant return fire.

The average "school shooting" is over in three minutes.  The average armed response time is five minutes.

Do the math!

I am also in favor of after a fair trial, hanging the murderers by the neck until dead on a wooden gallows erected on top of the school where the shooting took place ... without a bag over the head of the condemned, and without any last words.

And have it televised nationally.

Even the dull and stupid understand THAT!

...and completely eliminate the "Insanity Defense".  The Insanity defense is in itself total Snowflake  insanity ... by people who care more for their nutty relatives than Civilization.

Armed and trained teachers and school staff with concealed handguns ... and as we saw in Florida with the two Coaches, there are many who WILL  run TOWARD the gunfire, and cannot by nature of who they are do otherwise ... allow them to competently defend themselves and students.

Just as in any Family ... it is a man's JOB to protect the innocent ... himself, and others in his charge.

An incompetent defense is no defense at all.

You cannot have pansy, feel good cum-bah-ya Snowflakes, where a man's responsibilities are subrogated by the State, and all the nut cases that work there ....  and have a stable Civilization.

... as we have seen.

 

 

 

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As Galatians 6:7 rightly states that whatever a person sows they shall reap.

Personally I think that this scripture can be applied to America and the second amendment........."it is my inalienable right to walk around the streets of any city or town with a loaded gun on my person - just in case." One information source quoted that there was 88 guns/100 people.......if my maths is right that only leave 12%+  of Americans who do not own guns, (many of course have their own arsenals).

I also think that the second amendment is something held dear to the hearts of many Americans.......this has made them a violent, gun loving society, many who still think that they are living in the days of the 'wild west'.......a bunch of would be, if they could be, cowboys. I mean what other, so called civilised country can boast 32 single gunman massacres since 2000, not to mention those that did not reach the dizzy heights of a massacre? ANSWER: NONE. No other country would even come near this unenviable record.                            Definitely a sad indictment of American society today.

My comments, of course, do not include our many loving brothers and sisters in America and others of the 12%+ that are not gun owners. We certainly await the time when Jehovah says: "Enough is enough!" and brings this wicked system to its end.

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42 minutes ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

We certainly await the time when Jehovah says: "Enough is enough!" and brings this wicked system to its end.

The U.S. Constitution's 2nd Amendment does not GIVE natural rights ... it only protects them by force of law.

Everything that lives has the NATURAL right of self defense .... if he, or it, chooses to exercise it ... and can manage it.

...... even a cat has retractable claws.

The NATURAL right of self defense was not insured by the founders of the United States to protect us from belligerent deer.

Here is the acid test ..... If you could choose any country, at any time in history to live in ... what and when would you choose?

This is NOT a theoretical question.

If you could choose any country, at any time in history to live in ... what and when would you choose?

If you understand History and you are not delusional, the answer is here ... and now.

Like a brass plaque from a Nautical Supply House I have on my filing cabinet says. ...

"Pray towards Heaven

Row towards Shore".

 

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Just a little item that I copied from A BBC web site: "

"Organisers of gun giveaway competitions in the US have come under pressure following the Florida school shooting that killed 17 on Wednesday.

Republican politicians in Maryland and Kansas went ahead with their gun giveaways, while a county sheriff in North Carolina cancelled his raffle.

A children's baseball team defended its decision to continue with a fundraising effort, in which the winner will receive an AR-15 assault rifle.

That type of gun was used in Florida.

Gun sweepstakes - costing as little as $5 (£3.50) per ticket - are a part of life in some parts of the US, with the National Rifle Association having held raffles for decades.

Organisers have hit back at the online criticism, saying their fundraising events were planned months ago."

Are some Americans really that sick.......and they say: "I wonder why we have this problem?" "What's gone wrong in our society?"...............I think the fruitage is self evident!!!

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I left my 18 shot 9mm pistol on my front porch swing, with two additional magazines for a whole afternoon ... and to my surprise ... it did NOT KILL ANYONE.

Years ago.... Australia was disarmed ... and the murder rate by knives, baseball bats and poison went up.

... I am not counting the Tasmanian Massacre where a rifle turned in to the police according to law was sold illegally BY THE POLICE to an assasin, and was used in the massacre.

Crazy or EVIL people kill innocent people.

Guns by themselves have no sentient will.

What part of DUH ... do you not understand?

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Going back to my original comment about public hangings ... the LAST public hanging in the United States was in 1936.

THAT is when the Liberal Snowflakes began to accumulate.

Since public hangings were stopped,  the dull, and stupid, and crazy have been accumulating like snowballs on a downhill slope.

 

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Wrong question Queen Esther!

I feel it should have been; "Is Rook really one of Jehovah's Witnesses?????" I think he just likes "stirring the pot." I maybe wrong!!!

One wonders WHY he would have a gun in the first place!!!...........and a 9mm to boot, with at least 2 extra magazines, [I am not unfamiliar with 9mm weaponry, in a  past life I had a German Luger, (The Japaneses also used to make one and they had a booby trap on theirs) - about 64 years ago - and In Australia, back then, you had to have a permit to obtain 9mm ammo - at 14 years of age I obviously could not get a permit - I used to steal it], .......are you looking to start a war somewhere.....what else do you have in your armoury???

Just on this subject..........what other country in the world has the unenviable record of the USA for massacres/murders/deaths/injuries from guns and/or rifles from single gunmen, who are the, so called, 'ordinary' Joe Citizen. The answer is very simple. Too many 'cowboys' that think they still live in the days of the wild west........NO COUNTRY comes anywhere near those statistics.

Oops! I forgot this does not really have anything to do with guns.........or does America have a lot more 'crazies' AND MORE GUNS than any other country.

I am sure Jehovah understands your motives - but, I certainly don't. Still I am only human - and imperfect at that.

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4 hours ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

.....this has made them a violent, gun loving society, many who still think that they are living in the days of the 'wild west'.......a bunch of would be, if they could be, cowboys.

Americans are a curious blend of gunslinger and crybaby.

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

What part of DUH ... do you not understand?

The part that guarantees schoolchildren will continue to be shot in school while you refuse to give an inch to the other side, and they the same to you. It is not as though you haven't had plenty of time to pound them into submission, is it?

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Give them a beak TT..........they don't really know why they are the only country in the world with this problem..........I mean what other country has had 32 massacres by a single gunman since 2000.........about 88% of Americans have guns........and it appears that they cam walk around cities and towns with loaded guns on their person...........and they still don't know why they have a problem.

BUT, "its not the guns that are the problem; its the people".............of course its not the guns, what a cop out that is..........most, just do not get it...........if they did not have the guns, life would certainly appear to be more meaningful.

A lot of them want to be John Wayne, Gary Cooper, et al.............or they blame the 'crazies'.........all I can say is, boy! they must have a lot of crazies!!!!

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1 hour ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

they don't really know why they are the only country in the world with this problem

I just kick back at Rook because he is  - well, because he is. But it is not as though I do not concede that there is a 2nd amendment or that I push for its repeal - it is just his relentless cheerleading for guns that grates on the sensibilities.

I did read a source from Russia decrying the barbarism of Americans with their guns. Someone replied 'how many Russians have died because they were powerless when government thugs showed up to corral them?'

So I see the other side. It is not our concern, anyway, as we stand for something else. But I am reasonably confident that not one of the 17 children who died thanked his lucky stars for the 2nd amendment before he breathed his last.

All the children want to do is go to school and not get shot up. Is that too much to ask? It happens anywhere else. They shouldn't have to propose the solution. That is for their mentors to figure out. That one kid said it right - and he has been apparantly preened and given front stage by a manipulative left - but nonetheless he said it right: "We are the children. You are the adults. You are supposed to protect us."

To quote James again: 

What part of DUH ... do you not understand?

 

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During World War II, the Japanese Military High Command  considered invading America ( and actually did have troops stationed in Alaska for awhile, in the Aleutian Islands ...) but that suggestion was nixed when it was pointed out that "EVERYONE" in America was armed, and the Japanese soldiers would be shot at from behind every tree, rock and building, without letup.

Those that do not read and understand History are by nature Liberal Snowflakes, because of a world view that is NOT based on reality, the way reality really is.

I, too, look forward to the time when the tools of self defense are not mis-used, or even necessary ... but that is NOT NOW.

Only a fool deliberately makes himself helpless.

 

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7 hours ago, Queen Esther said:

STILL  MANY  PEOPLE  HAVE  TO  DIE  BEC. YOUR  CRAZY  LAWS  IN  THE  USA ;-((   poor people  and  kids 1f625.png

Germany for a hundred years has had EXCELLENT and almost total civilian gun control ... so had the old Soviet Union, and the Empire of Japan ... and now the Russian Federation.  So does North Korea, and China.

... and as far as it is possible for a person to be peaceable with all people , we all remember 75 years ago what a comforting people the Germans and Japanese were.

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2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I did read a source from Russia decrying the barbarism of Americans with their guns. Someone replied 'how many Russians have died because they were powerless when government thugs showed up to corral them?'

the anwer to this tweet was given by another. 'You think the most heavily armed nation in the world is going to be defeated by your AK-47?'

So Jimbo will take out a few before he goes down, but go down he will. Will he come up again? Was it not Jesus who said: 'those who live by the sword will die by the sword?'

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13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Several years ago, in Grand Prairie, Texas, Four Sisters out in Service were killed when their car was T-Boned at an intersection.

Those that "live by the car .... die by the car"".

So, TTH ... who actually "lives by the sword"?

I have carried weapons every day for over 50 years, and have never hurt or killed ANYONE.

I have, however, encouraged some bad actors to behave themselves.

..... I had to stop typing for a few minutes, now I am back.  

My wife, Susan, was crying her eyes out at her computer about stories of people that were killed in Florida, wailing that these people "... never had a chance at life ....", spoken through racking sobbing.

They never had a chance ... because GOOD MEN were forbidden to do what GOOD MEN do, and forbidden to have with them the tools they needed to do it.

The two coaches who were shot down running TOWARD the gunfire were MEN.

They too, never had a chance of surviving the encounter, but they did it anyway.

MEN of honor do not have a craven fear of death.

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I  think,  it  was  not  a  wrong  question  @John Lindsay Barltrop....  bec. JTR.  IS  a  JW !!   -------

Yes,  a  knife  or  an  axt  also  weapon's  and  dangerous.  But  a  gun  is  MORE  bad,  bec. you  can  kill  many  person's  in  some  seconds,  like  Florida  etc. -  and  that  from  a  bigger  distance !!   That  gives  a  gun  alot  more  power....   Bad  and  crazy  people  always  using  gun's  and  very  rare  a  knife.

Crazy  people  we've  in  many  Countries,  around  the  world,  so  we  never  can  be  safe.  But  using  a  gun  is  NEVER  an  alternative,  but  in  TRUMP's  sense,  seems  so....

We're  JW's  and  carry  or  using  a  gun  or  similar,  is  a  sin  -  Jehovah hates  it !!   Thanks  my  Brothers :)

 

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JTR says: "I have carried weapons every day for over 50 years, and have never hurt or killed ANYONE."

Well, I personally do not think that that is something to be proud of, and I personally would rank you among the the other approx. 88% of the population in the States who appear to have this inane love of guns.

You obviously do not see the point that Jesus making on the night of his arrest. Interesting is a comment from the Insight volumes:         "(Jesus) desired to have a sword available among his followers on that night in order to demonstrate clearly that, though they would come into circumstances that could easily provoke armed resistance, he did not intend to resort to the sword but would give himself up voluntarily in harmony with God’s will."

As Jehovah's Witnesses, we are, or should be, disciples - or, footstep followers - of Jesus Christ.......and I am reasonably sure that he did not walk around Galilee and Judea 'armed to the teeth.'

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1 hour ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

Well, I personally do not think that that is something to be proud of, and I personally would rank you among the the other approx. 88% of the population in the States who appear to have this inane love of guns.

You obviously do not see the point that Jesus making on the night of his arrest. Interesting is a comment from the Insight volumes:         "(Jesus) desired to have a sword available among his followers on that night in order to demonstrate clearly that, though they would come into circumstances that could easily provoke armed resistance, he did not intend to resort to the sword but would give himself up voluntarily in harmony with God’s will."

As Jehovah's Witnesses, we are, or should be, disciples - or, footstep followers - of Jesus Christ.......and I am reasonably sure that he did not walk around Galilee and Judea 'armed to the teeth.'

John:

You are certainly entitled to your opinions ...... and the writers of the Insight Volumes were certainly entitled to their OPINIONS.

Remember the Feburary 2017 Watchtower where the GB admitted for the first time what has been for so very long painfully obvious ... that they are " ... neither inspired of God, or infallible"?

DUH!

Get back in your Squad Car, Dick Tracy !

The fact of the matter is that it was common practice for Galileans to be armed at all times .... the ones who were not armed were often naked from being robbed, and perhaps dead in the middle of the road ... or worse.

  As Luke 22:36 points out ... the Apostles had the own PERSONAL swords with them in the room at Passover, and at the first Memorial ... or do you think the caterer provided swords, that back then were as expensive as a fine camera today, to cut their mutton?

... and it was not to protect themselves from 2nd story BEARS in downtown Jerusalem.

My take on Jesus' words were that cutting off the ear of the slave of the High Priest was ENOUGH to demonstrate that their illegal arrest of Jesus at night would be "expensive" for them if they were really not going to take him to trial, but summary execution.

Perhaps one day some nutcase will shoot up your Kingdom Hall with you inside.

Please feel free to throw your cell phone at him, because it will be all over by the time you get a police response.

Besides, I think it is IMMORAL to the extreme ... to ask a Babylonian Police Officer to put his life on the line for ANYONE ... if ... they are not willing to defend themselves.

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2 hours ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

As Jehovah's Witnesses, we are, or should be, disciples - or, footstep followers - of Jesus Christ

... and as far as being footstep followers of Jesus Christ ... there is NO RECORD of any children being Baptized in the Bible, and Jesus himself was age 30 when he was Baptized.

We are baptizing children at the ages of 8, and up.

Follow Jesus?

Gimmee a BREAK!

His example is being totally ignored.

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5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

What does THAT mean?

 

4 hours ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

Go figure it out. If you can't, I do feel sorry for you.

When you are unable or unwilling to explain a simple sentence that you, yourself authored ...

... that in itself is pitiable. 

It was an honest question, and the response was evasion ...

... that in itself is arrogance and dishonesty.

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"Ah, Babylon 4, we have a report of a madman on the WNM forum creating a disturbance. Could you run by there and check it out, please? Careful not to provoke him though. He is the fastest gun in the West - and east, north, and south."

"Roger, that, Dick Tracy - I'm on it, after I finish this donut. I'm pretty sure I know who you mean. He's a pretty harmless old pork chop, with stray dogs everywhere, but he sure does make a lot of noise."

 

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41 minutes ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

Tell JTRJ, were you ever in the military?

John:

That is a fair question .... ( the irony of me replying  to you after the above, does not go un-noticed...)

No, I never was.  

I was 18 during the peak of the Vietnam War, and was a Conscientious Objector. 

My file was about 4" thick at the Selective Service Office, and the committee assembled with me at the end of the long table threatened to send me to prison for five years, if I refused induction.  They realized I was as serious and resolute as a heart attack ... and I was granted my "I-O" (Conscientious Objector) status, and was excused from military service.

War is a political activity to force people to do things you want as a matter of national policy.

I did not like "policy wonks" at age 18 ... and I do not like them now.

That is one of many reasons that I appreciate the training I had as a 1960's era Jehovah's Witness ..... it saved me from killing a lot of innocent people.

Personal Self Defense is NOT War.

Oh, and because there are at least three "Tom"s on the archive, by convention and preference JTR works without ambiguity.

 

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3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

 

When you are unable or unwilling to explain a simple sentence that you, yourself authored ...

... that in itself is pitiable. 

It was an honest question, and the response was evasion ...

... that in itself is arrogance and dishonesty.

James, I will tell you why I said that re your personality, it was because of this comment: 

"Perhaps one day some nutcase will shoot up your Kingdom Hall with you inside."

I thought; "How could a Brother, hope that another Brother would get shot up whilst attending a meeting at a Kingdom Hall"                       

I took exception to that remark, and thought it very unchristian, and that is why I initially ignored your reply.

I will also tell you why I thought that you had not been in the military.....it is your attitude to guns.........I also correctly picked two others, (non-Witnesses), that seemed to have this passion with guns and like to walk around cities and towns with loaded guns on their person.  This was also over these insane massacres that keep on occurring in the States.

Maybe you can answer the question James......Why do these  insane massacres by lone gunmen continue unabated in the USA, and yet nowhere else in the world?

 

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51 minutes ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

James, I will tell you why I said that re your personality, it was because of this comment: 

"Perhaps one day some nutcase will shoot up your Kingdom Hall with you inside."

I thought; "How could a Brother, hope that another Brother would get shot up whilst attending a meeting at a Kingdom Hall"                       

John:

It is clear from my comment ... and what you got out of it ... which are completely unrelated ... that your reading comprehension skills are filtered through your particular AGENDA driven thought processes, or that you have no reading comprehension skills.

I offered for consideration a rational POSSIBILITY in keeping with real current events ... NOT a desire that it would happen.

I personally feel reassured when good men and/or women walk around town with loaded guns ... you feel threatened.

I live in a ZERO CRIME neighborhood in my end of the subdivision I live in, because EVERYBODY shoots off their back deck, and the folks who own the farm next to my lot apparently have a LOT of money for ammunition, as on Sundays. it sounds like a target range.

What you hear is a cause for fear .... I hear as the SOUNDS OF FREEDOM!

I mow my lawn with gunfire on both sides of me without apprehension, because I know these folks are intelligent, safety conscious, responsible people.

You need to associate with a better class of people, or teach yourself to become one... 

.... or live in irrational fear as you do now.

51 minutes ago, John Lindsay Barltrop said:

Maybe you can answer the question James......Why do these  insane massacres by lone gunmen continue unabated in the USA, and yet nowhere else in the world?

These things happen EVERYWHERE ... you just are unaware of it.

Knives are used more than 6 times as often as guns in murders ... and bare hands and feet  about 2.5 times more than rifles.

... and anyone nuts enough to do so can ram a crowd with a 2,000 pound car at 60 mph and kill and maim dozens.

I guess the REAL answer to your agenda loaded question is what always answers the various questions that are elusive.

INFINITE VARIETY.

 

 

 

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James you said: "These things happen EVERYWHERE ... you just are unaware of it."

Is it that these events are only reported in the world media when they occur in the USA?

Oh! Silly me, I forgot: the Swiss are ranked third behind Yemen and the USA as respects gun ownership and they have a similar problems with lone gunman massacres..........they have had a few massacres there, but on a population pro rata  basis the USA romps home to win the Gold medal...........Yemen probably comes second, and they are in the throes of a civil war........I am a bit behind on my history - Has the civil War in America actually finished?

 

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John:

You have tunnel vision, and it's a long tunnel, and what you see is an oncoming train.

There are thousands of massacres occurring all over the place, and always have been.

In 1995 Rwanda had a MILLION PEOPLE MURDERED , with 800,000 machetes the government bought for some carefully planned ethnic cleansing, by the general populace, against the general populace.

Just google Massacres, or Genocide, and the name of any particular country you want to know about.

Most massacres and genocides are done with edged weapons, or poison gas, or other non-gun methods, blunt force trauma leading the pack.

IT"S CHEAPER THAN FIREARMS AND BULLETS!!

Even Australia has it's gun massacres  ..... as happened in Tasmania, at Port Arthur about 22 years ago.  Australia had been disarmed, but one of the guns confiscated  SOMEHOW was used to kill kill 35 people and wound 23.

OH WAIT!  Let me rephrase that .

The firearm was in a police storage area and was used as a tool to murder and maim them ... by an evil MAN.  The rifle itself was quite content in the dark, in a police impound area.

Of course the Aboriginal Australians were massacred, but massacre is hardly the right word ... GENOCIDE is.

You are WAY, WAY behind on your history.

Add that to an agenda driven perception and you will absolutely insure that as you said... you were wrong before, and will be wrong again.

And you are wrong NOW.

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James I do not recall bringing anything else into this conversation other than lone gunman statistics.

The USA has 88% gun ownership, nearly double that of the country with the silver medal - Yemen - and there is a war there.

Just for the record again, USA has had 90 mass shootings since 1982 by lone gunmen.......it would seem that you can go down to your 'local deli' and purchase the assault rifle of your choice.

Another statistic:   "Gun related killings as a % of homicides"

1. USA - 64%

2. Canada - 30,5%

3. Australia - 13%

4. England/Wales - 4,5%

What part of "America - seen as a whole - has a violent, gun loving culture" don't you understand? 

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Your selective memory is supplemented by your subsequent opinions and commentary.

America is in fact in fact a gun loving culture. 

Freedom is never free.

The tree of liberty and freedom has to be fertilized with the blood of good men of courage, and evil people.

Unfortunately, there are also side effects.

Reality is what it is.

Get used to it.

Until Jehovah replaces this System we have to live here the way it is.

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