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If God created everything, then who put the bad in the tree of knowledge?

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Genesis:

15  Jehovah God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eʹden to cultivate it and to take care of it.n 16  Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.o 17  But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”

The teachings tell us that Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge is what unleashed evil all over the world.

Evil such as war, child sexual abuse, genocide, and all kinds of horrors.

But if God made the tree, then he created the bad that went into it as well, no?

Update:

New World Translation:

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

King James Version

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

American Standard Version

7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

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1 hour ago, Jack Ryan said:

5  Jehovah God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eʹden to cultivate it and to take care of it.n 16  Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.o 17  But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”

And? Had it ever occurred to you that perhaps the Tree, as well as the Tree of Life may have and would have had a different purpose later on if Adam and Eve had become disobedient? Who knew what God's plans were originally before he said the following in Genesis 3:15 which paved a way for his Son, Jesus to clean up after us.

1 hour ago, Jack Ryan said:

The teachings tell us that Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge is what unleashed evil all over the world.

Adam and Eve simply disobeyed, kicked out of the Garden and left to cultivate the earth, they did the hand out treatment that the Garden and Eden had for them, so they had to do things on their own, get and make food on their own and realizing they were naked, they had to cultivate the earth in order to cloth themselves, granted I did find the exchange between God and Adam regarding Adam's nakedness quite funny. All tree-fruit aside, evil came about has men progressed.

I wouldn't call it an unleash of evil, it came about among mankind who already had inherited sin, and they were not the only ones who did evil and or bad things, we have demons, fallen angels, former Spirit sons who dwell among God's presence, who had sexual relations with the daughters of men and eventually exposed an cast out of heaven, clearly a fruit didn't cause the angels to go on a earthly dating trip. At that point, God see that things went from 100 to 0 really fast, then came Enoch, and then came Noah, and afterwards men, again, went on to do bad things, but no worries, remember Genesis 3:15, God knew what had to be done and therefore Jesus was indeed coming, and he will return to actually cut out the wickedness like a seed in an Avocado.

1 hour ago, Jack Ryan said:

But if God made the tree, then he created the bad that went into it as well, no?

Unless you knew what God's original plan WAS for the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life, then you can speak of what you are saying, other than that, none of us know what was the original plan before God even stated what he said in Genesis 3.

Who knows but the LORD. But I can imagine if Adam and Eve ate from both trees, not only we have to deal with imperfect men, but every tyrant and monster in American and or mankind's history, we would all have to deal with to this day.

1 hour ago, Jack Ryan said:

Update:

New World Translation:

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

King James Version

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 American Standard Version

7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

Ok... No application of context and what the cross-references say exactly? You might as well look up what evil/calamity, in any translation points to.

Also both Calamity and Evil are 7451, so there is a respects to the Strong's and the manuscripts, not much of a drastic change if the Strong's are identical. So those listed are correct.

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Everything heavier than hydrogen was created later ... in Stars ..... through the fusion process, and Iron, and everything heavier than that, were created in Star Supernova explosions, also through the fusion process.

God MADE Eden, and all things in it, from available materials.

The "Tree of Knowledge" was like any other tree ... no different ....

The "bad" was Adam and Eve's decision that their values were superior to God's values. and with that, as an example, the "discovered" that they were naked. 

Perhaps lust had something to do with it?

Or poison ivy, and ants?

Those are three things that do not mix well with being naked.

Jehovah did not care at all that they were naked, and neither did they, until they adopted their own independent value system.

If you do not have the Freedom to be self destructive ... Freedom does not really exist.

.... but Freedom exercised badly is .... oh ..... whats the word I want to use .... um ... oh yeah! ....  "BAD". 

Like being waist deep in the swamp, and hand feeding a crocodile .... you would get a significant revelation.

Knowledge!

The "Tree of Knowledge" gave them no knowledge whatsoever, on any subject.

It or its descendants possibly survived until the Noachian Flood.

The "bad" was not in the tree ... neither was any actual  knowledge.

By the way ... had it occurred to you that everyone on Earth alive today, or that has ever lived, under their clothes, is or was running around naked?

Just like hand feeding a crocodile, if you make the decision to do that ... YOU WILL GET KNOWLEDGE !

But ... it may cost you an arm and a leg!

 

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      We know that Babylon the Great will be destroyed forever so this writing can not mean it will be rebuilt - compare Revelation 18:21
      The only reason why one can or should build a house to it can only be one: to be remembered forever - compare Revelation 19: 3
      It's really incredible but also the destination of the efa is useful to identify this woman.
      The writing says that it will be deposited "on its own place" (ie it returns to its place of origin, where it must be) or "in the country of Sinar".
      Looking at the asterisk reported on Sinar we see ... "Sinar", M; lat. Shinar; LXX, "Babylon"; TSy, "Babel".
      Women with stork wings represent Jehovah's provision that after the destruction of Babylon the Great a warning is made of it, something to remember.
      Obviously, this woman, even if reduced to dust, must be taken away because she can not remain in the earth chosen by God, or the place where he has chosen to make his Name tame - compare 2 Chronicles 6: 6
      It would not be appropriate for this monument (pedestal, house or whatever) to be found right in God's promised land.
      It will return to its place of origin, or Babylon, and this "monument" will be an eternal memory so that you will never come back to life.
       
      What can we say at the end of this article?
      We have seen in the previous article that the war that is coming will serve as a discipline for the people of God, especially towards those who take the directive - compare James 3: 1
      At the end of this war, when by now the preaching seems completely suppressed, the two witnesses dressed in sacks will make their appearance.
      This is a crucial event because it will indicate the restoration of true worship.
      The preaching of these two people will constitute a severe judgment for the nation in which they will preach but also for all those who refuse to listen (the opportunity to listen to them, in fact, is addressed to all of us ... which is not at all obvious).
      As we have seen the message of judgment that they will bring thanks to the spirit of God will devour houses with their lumber and their stones, initially as a mental and emotional torment.
      Their words will come true when, seven years after the beginning of their preaching, Israel will be effectively destroyed by the wild beast which will act by God's will.
      Is it not extraordinary to see how Zaccaria completes the Revelation framework by adding interesting and truly significant details?
      May each of us be truly alert in recognizing those who, at the end of the period of discipline, will be commissioned by God to restore true worship - Daniel 11:34
      We are already learning to ascertain the will of God for us.
      It is obvious to point out that the woman called Evil is Babylon the Great.
      It is not "the world empire of false religion" but the current nation of Israel.
      This evil entity will be destroyed to allow God's people to restore true worship.
      But someone has said that the meaning of all this is "that God will not allow wickedness to remain in His people". So we can be calm, no?
       
       
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      <---- Genesis 1          Genesis 3 --->

      Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
      2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
      3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
      4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
      5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
      6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
      7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
      8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
      9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
      10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
      11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
      12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
      13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
      14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
      15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
      16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
      17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
      18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
      19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
      20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
      21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
      22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
      23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
      24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
      25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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