Let us Appreciate Brother Lett

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

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[Srecko Sostar]

On 8/17/2018 at 12:12 AM, Grey Reformer said:

How do you define Christian Activism, Political Activism, and Civil disobedience

My opinion is not of some importance now. It is more important how WT define it and how some of people who participate in this forum as WT defender, are not  in harmony /unity, obeying) what GB told them, instructing and teaching. Let see what i found in JW publications.

Politicians, activists, and reformers have long struggled to find solutions to divisive issues. Their efforts may be sincere and well-motivated. Yet, Christians recognize that only God’s Kingdom can solve mankind’s problems and guarantee true justice. We must leave the matter in Jehovah’s hands. After all, if each Christian advocated the solution he thought best, would not our congregations soon become divided? - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015527

"From Political Activist to Neutral Christian"                                                                                                                                                                                            THE year was 1953. The place—Liberec, Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic). I was then a 19-year-old activist who sought political change. We activists propagated our views by distributing leaflets that were critical of the Communist Party, then in power. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102002447

Similarly, true Christians today do not engage in civil disobedience. They await the day and hour when qualified intervention by God will come. Only he has the wisdom and the power to bring lasting solutions to mankind. Through their preaching work, Jehovah’s Witnesses reassure those who are suffering from injustices that such relief is soon to come. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101987647

[Grey Reformer]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

My opinion is not of some importance now. It is more important how WT define it and how some of people who participate in this forum as WT defender, are not  in harmony /unity, obeying) what GB told them, instructing and teaching. Let see what i found in JW publications.

Then you will notice, the Watchtower has the same framework as Jesus did, to separate church from state. So, it is not what the GB is saying, it is what scripture is saying. The majority of former witnesses fail to make that distinction.  As for the trolling, from everyone here, that’s to be expected. There’s only one cure. The moral fiber of some is zero.

[Srecko Sostar]

4 hours ago, Grey Reformer said:

Then you will notice, the Watchtower has the same framework as Jesus did, to separate church from state. So, it is not what the GB is saying, it is what scripture is saying. The majority of former witnesses fail to make that distinction.  As for the trolling, from everyone here, that’s to be expected. There’s only one cure. The moral fiber of some is zero.

 

I disagree. Jesus "framework" is/are interpreted many times by many people or organizations as how they see how would Jesus do this or that. So when you put quote that sound so final and as definitive diagnosis; " the Watchtower has the same framework as Jesus did", i must be careful, alert :)))) Not forget how same WT using phrases (when they explaining GB doctrines) as "Jesus must be thinking this or that, he obviously mean this or that. So, please do not call for Jesus authority when promote own or GB ideas :))  

[Grey Reformer]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I disagree. Jesus "framework" is/are interpreted many times by many people or organizations as how they see how would Jesus do this or that.

To sum it up. The one that governs the body of Jehovah’s witnesses is the inspired word of God. The GB doesn’t have anything to do with the framework Christ started, other than obeying God’s and Christ commands. They don’t add on as the general public of former witnesses speculates. If this is too difficult to understand, then the arguments you personally make are simply conjecture.

So, this will conclude our conversation on this matter, and return to the topic at hand.

There is no greater authority than that of God and Christ. That makes even more valuable and has a greater appreciation for the gospel of Christ. 1 Peter 2:21 which the GB intuitively do.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

3 hours ago, Grey Reformer said:

There is no greater authority than that of God and Christ. That makes even more valuable and has a greater appreciation for the gospel of Christ. 1 Peter 2:21 which the GB intuitively do.

More or less, in a manner of speaking, occasionally. sometimes.

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[Space Merchant]

On 8/18/2018 at 2:49 PM, Grey Reformer said:

To sum it up. The one that governs the body of Jehovah’s witnesses is the inspired word of God. The GB doesn’t have anything to do with the framework Christ started, other than obeying God’s and Christ commands. They don’t add on as the general public of former witnesses speculates. If this is too difficult to understand, then the arguments you personally make are simply conjecture.

 

So, this will conclude our conversation on this matter, and return to the topic at hand.

 

There is no greater authority than that of God and Christ. That makes even more valuable and has a greater appreciation for the gospel of Christ. 1 Peter 2:21 which the GB intuitively do.

 

You can't reason with a man who believes the following and or adheres to:

• That birds pay for his internet connection.
• He believes God is not going to be surprised about people changing their sex, even physically by means of drug and or surgically.
• He makes claim to something he deems as absolute proof when all that is seen is a registry based on a census.
• He states a woman known as Chloe leads a church and says it is in the Bible, but nothing is found and this woman is only mentioned ONCE in scripture.
• Thinks writing letters is political, when on the RU side is is not seen as such, nor by anyone who takes into account EU media.
• So called things addressed, linked, only lead to main page of a website.... That has no mention of what he himself addressed.
• Thinks that if someone knows the Bible more than him, such one considers others as inferior, when such is not the case.
• relies on the Admin to save him from his own error(s), but when the topic is focused, stumbles upon himself and likes something that is irrelevant which only worsens for him.
• Thinks being called "daft" is a major insult, when it also means one who is ignorant.
• Thinks fighting for Religious Rights is also political when such can be done in a non-political space.
• Does not know the difference between ECOSOC and SOC; as well as criteria(s) being met or not.
• He makes a statement about a faith community taking in loads of money from a venue when in reality the information provided says otherwise, thus prompting him to wipe his current message and a message from a year ago.
• He is not a fan of anything in regards to a man named Abraham, even going as far as to call this man of the Bible, selfish and not caring of anything but himself.
• He speaks in opinion of money, yet is in agreement with a verse in which a coin came from a fish, and contradicts himself over and over again.
• Believes a Judge can lead a church when the Old Testament speaks nothing of churches.

 

The list goes on.

That being said, a bit more relaxed that I have I returned from The Motherland.

[Space Merchant]

On 8/17/2018 at 1:01 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Weighing in (I think) with @Space Merchant (was it on this thread or another?) here is a psychiatrist declaring that pedophilia is a legitamate sexual orientation, thus arguing for its recognition. This does not appear to be fake news.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html

It was on another thread. I was looking into recent information back to 2015, however, the whole sexual orientation thing is indeed something of which can be led into a problem, and cause more issues with institutions of both the educational and religious space should things go to a mission impossible like status.

Yes, some psychiatrist will speak on pedophilia, it is indeed a disorder, however, those who are in agreement with the message thing otherwise. This has also causes a good chuck of people to fight to make pedophilia be recognized as a sexual orientation rather than a disorder. In regards to the LGBT, there is a portion of them who are for this as well, hence the whole business with kids dressing up provocatively, nearly half-naked and running about, dancing and a list of other things. We also see members of this part of the LGBT community who go to the schools and or some facility to teach and read to the children, with the main topic being gender related and so forth. I would put up some information here and or something that is in tired connection to such, but stuff like this is not too friendly on the eyes of the ones who do not suspect such a thing.

For me, my biggest fear is stuff like this taking off, full sail, to the point it cannot be stopped and will eventually tip over and cause some real damage.

That being said, I will be researching on this more, mainly a few years back from 2015, mainly in regards to the EU, for pedophilia is far more greater in such areas compared to the US, for a number of kids are placed into human trafficking and other things in relation, and stuff like this hits home for me because someone, a Democrat, who is friends with Hilary, nearly did the same to my country in regards to taking children into human trafficking and since that day it still bothers me, as well as the assassination of Me. Ebrewein, it was not a suicide as the media claims.

But yeah, in short, it is a major fear, like a virus spreading that cannot be stopped, eventually it will drive you to be highly cautious, perhaps, mad, and a bit overly protective, for in this sense, the schools and the churches are riddled with unsuspecting abusers who take up the disorder to commit ill intent on others.

[Space Merchant]

On 8/17/2018 at 5:12 PM, Anna said:

I can always tell it's Allen by the questions marks that are put in odd places in a sentence....besides other things...but that's a dead giveaway

I didn't notice that until now.

[Grey Reformer]

13 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I didn't notice that until now.

I think anyone can go off on hysteria? However, does anyone know what dot, dot, dash, dash, mean? Between friends, it can mean many things. There is a superficial need to know the identity of those who reject the arguments made here. What a crowd. LOL!!

 

the word assume makes it very clear!!!

The topic posted:

Let us Appreciate Brother Lett

[Srecko Sostar]

News  Philadelphia Media Network, PBC

She says she was 5 when another Jehovah's Witness raped her. The religion's leaders call such accounts 'false stories'

"For much of the last two decades, Lett has been a member of the small governing body that runs Jehovah’s Witnesses and sets the course for the denomination’s followers at more than a dozen congregations in the Philadelphia area, and thousands more around the world. Lett and the seven other men on this committee maintain quiet profiles, their voices usually absent from media coverage about the Witnesses’ widespread child sex-abuse problems.

But in the spring of 2015, Lett unexpectedly starred in a 10-minute video that was posted on the Witnesses’ website, an appearance that coincided with a spate of stories about abuse allegations and cover-ups published by Reveal, from the Center for Investigative Reporting.

Dressed in a dark suit, he grew animated as he urged followers to stay united by “rejecting false stories.”"

.......read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-stephen-lett-chessa-manion-20180620.html

[TrueTomHarley]

44 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

.......read more

I'll take a chance here. Srecko posts a Philly article damning to Jehovah's Witnesses. (though it has nothing to do with the thread - my thread)

I wrote a reply to that article and sent it to the newspaper, cc to the reporter and an editor or two. I said they owed it to their readers to publish it or its equivalent as prominently as they had published theirs maligning a group of decent people. The letter of reply was not acknowledged in any way. 

Let's see if the reply can remain here. Srecko's incendiary link has stayed. Let's see if the response is permitted to stay as well. It is directly relevent and does not veer off in any other direction.

http://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2018/07/an-open-letter-to-the-philadelphia-inquirer-because-they-did-not-acknowlege-much-less-print-the-sent.html

The Philly paper went on to write two follow-up articles, the reporter checking back to Reddit. I replied to each of them, and then wrote a fourth piece summarizing them all: "Three Incendiary Articles from the Philadelphia Inquirer."
 

She says she was 5 when another Jehovah's Witness raped her. The religion's leaders call such accounts 'false stories'

They do not. It is the spin put on them that he calls 'false stories.'