Tears As Six Family Members Of Jehovah’s Witnesses Die After Torrential Rainfall(Photos)

[Anna]

31 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

 Ok... I give up .... what does THIS scripture have to do with this car accident, resulting in six drownings?

I will take the liberty of answering this one as @Gone Away has probably gone to bed. But duh! Obviously it means that God right now does not protect anyone physically, and that if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time then you will cop it, most likely.  Why doesn't God protect his people physically right now? Because he is allowing Satan to do his thing for now. However, if you die faithful, then your future life is safe with Jehovah. It is our spirituality he is interested in, because that means our (everlasting) life.

[Melinda Mills]

This article is informative, cautionary and comforting at the same time.

*** ws13 8/15 pp. 9-11 pars. 2-8 Never Become “Enraged Against Jehovah” ***

2 Today, the earth has been ruined. Its soil, water, and air are polluted. People are violent and immoral. But we have learned from the Bible that this is not Jehovah’s fault. He created the earth to be a beautiful paradise home for us. (Genesis 2:8, 15) Jehovah is a God of love. (1 John 4:8) The Scriptures tell us that Satan the Devil is “the ruler of the world,” and he is the one who causes many of these problems.—John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4.
3 However, we cannot blame Satan for all our problems. Why not? Because some of our problems are the result of our own mistakes. (Read Deuteronomy 32:4-6.) We might say that we believe this. But because we are imperfect, we could begin to have the wrong view of our problems, and that can be dangerous. (Proverbs 14:12) Instead of blaming ourselves or Satan for our problems, we could start to blame Jehovah. We might even become “enraged against Jehovah himself,” that is, we might become very angry with him.—Proverbs 19:3.
4 Is it possible to become “enraged against Jehovah”? Really, it would do us no good to become angry with him. (Isaiah 41:11) We have no chance of winning a fight against God. It is true that we may never say that we are angry with Jehovah. But Proverbs 19:3 says that a man’s foolish thinking “distorts his way” and that “his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah.” This means that a person can become enraged against God in his heart and feel bitter toward Him. This can start to affect what the man does. For example, he might slow down in his service to Jehovah or stop worshipping with the congregation.
5 What might make us become “enraged against Jehovah”? How can we avoid this trap? We need to know the answers to these questions so that we can protect our relationship with Jehovah God!
HOW MIGHT WE BECOME “ENRAGED AGAINST JEHOVAH”?
6 Why might a faithful servant of Jehovah start to complain about God in his heart? This article will discuss five things that could make us become bitter, and we will review Bible examples of those who became “enraged against Jehovah.”—1 Corinthians 10:11, 12.
7 The negative talk of others can influence us. (Read Deuteronomy 1:26-28.) Think about what Jehovah did for the Israelites. He brought ten plagues on Egypt and destroyed Pharaoh and his armies at the Red Sea. The Israelites were free! (Exodus 12:29-32, 51; 14:29-31; Psalm 136:15) God’s people were ready to enter the Promised Land. But they started to complain about Jehovah. Why did they lose faith just as they were going to receive their reward? Ten spies gave a bad report to the Israelites, and this discouraged and scared them. (Numbers 14:1-4) As a result, Jehovah did not let them enter into that “good land” at that time. (Deuteronomy 1:34, 35) What can we learn? The negative talk of others could weaken our faith and cause us to complain about the way Jehovah guides his people.
8 Tragedies and difficulties could discourage us. (Read Isaiah 8:21, 22) In Isaiah’s day, the people of Judah were suffering. They were surrounded by enemies. Many were hungry because there was not enough food. But there was an even bigger problem. They had stopped listening to Jehovah and were letting their relationship with him get weak. (Amos 8:11) Instead of asking Jehovah for help, they blamed him and the king for their problems. In a similar way, if we become discouraged because of a tragedy or other problems in our life, we might begin to blame Jehovah and feel that he did not help us when we needed him.   END QUOTE

It would be good to review the whole article.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

5 hours ago, Anna said:

will take the liberty of answering this one as @Gone Away has probably gone to bed. But duh! Obviously it means that God right now does not protect anyone physically, and that if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time then you will cop it, most likely.  Why doesn't God protect his people physically right now? Because he is allowing Satan to do his thing for now. However, if you die faithful, then your future life is safe with Jehovah. It is our spirituality he is interested in, because that means our (everlasting) life.

I will wait for Gone Away's explanation, as it may be entirely different, exactly the same, or anything in the middle.

Even when Jehovah fought for and with the armies of ancient Israel, individual soldiers were killed. How do you explain THAT? It may not have "been the issue", or "in the overall scheme of things" spiritually, but it was them who did the dying..

I SEE your viewpoint ... I just disagree with it. 

I cannot believe that the reason that Jehovah God is letting millions of good people die, one at a time, or in groups, is to ALLOW his arch enemy freedom of action.

I believe something very common to people causes the death of these six Witnesses by drowning.

1.) perhaps the road was wet, and the car skidded into the river, ditch, pond or whatever, or

2.) perhaps the driver fell asleep at the wheel and ran off the road, or

3.) perhaps a tire blew out and they lost control, or some other very common occurrence.

I personally do not believe that God or Satan had ANYTHING to do with this accident .... that it was merely "chance and circumstance befall us all".

THAT is what makes the most common sense, and is the most reasonable explanation ... and dragging up a scripture to invoke supernatural intervention by acting, not acting, or some universal agenda is wrong, and delusional.

Oh, and there is one more of many more possibilities....

4.)  They never learned how to swim, and/or never visualized in advance what they would do if their car was submerged in water.

People that think about emergencies, and meditate on how to handle them, and mentally prepare themselves for specific scenarios, OFTEN don't have life killing emergencies .... merely "experiences ".

It is my opinion that Jehovah has NEVER protected individual people in everyday situations, as if he did, that means that the freedom to screw up would not exist, and true Freedom requires "chance and circumstances befall us all", without divine interference ... or it is NOT really Freedom.

If there is no REAL Freedom, and unfettered consequences full and complete .... then as night follows day ... there is no responsibility, as our actions are not our own.

You can't have it BOTH ways.

 

[Evacuated]

17 hours ago, Anna said:

probably gone to bed

Quite true!

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Gone Away's explanation

No need to reinvent the wheel after Anna and Melinda's contributions.

In your own case, you are quite right in suggesting various contributory reasons for the specific accident in this news report and I agree with your common-sense reasoning regarding the specific incident.

My comment, in response to some general scriptural points raised by Melinda, merely rounds out what she was saying as a reminder of the general situation mankind find themselves under present circumstances. This, in turn, could prompt a connection with Rev. 21:2-4, something which many more directly connected with the specific event will no doubt find of comfort as time goes on..

You obviously have other issues as indicated in your  responses, for example:

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

It is my opinion that Jehovah has NEVER protected individual people in everyday situations

This statement could be true, depending on what you mean by  "everyday". One man's "everyday" is another's "special event".

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

dragging up a scripture to invoke supernatural intervention

This reveals perhaps some sort of underlying issue you have that is only prompted by the comments regarding the specific incident in this news report. It probably needs its own thread if it hasn't been raised elsewhere.

[The Librarian]

 

Eclesiastés 9:11: ?? ???

[The Librarian]

I think this is related footage.... verification needed

[Space Merchant]

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Jesus spoke of natural disasters that will happen even into our day. Such things will effect every and all persons regardless if a person is good and or bad, for the rain hits our heads and the sun shines on us and the fact that we all get buried in snow. Regarding the deceased, what happens to them can happen to any of us, any time, for death is like a chain you carry everyday until one day said chain gets you caught up in some mess.

That being said, the only thing assuring in all this is the fact that the Christ knows who is on his side and the side of His God, and such ones will once again walk the earth for they will no longer be held powerless in the earth in Hades.

Death comes for us all, JTR, you cannot hide from it, you cannot cheat it, you cannot reason with it, you cannot pull a Bug's Bunny on it either, when the time comes, to Hades one sleeps, until the day comes when you will rise after being told to come out, and Death itself will be defeated for good, symbolically, thrown into the Lake of Fire.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

DUH!