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All in attendance at our local circuit assembly are 'encouraged' to donate as a benchmark £7.50 for the privilege of being there and 'covering the cost of the assembly hall'

Is this a new tactic?

How is this different from "passing the plate" that my dad always boasted that JW's did not do?

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3 hours ago, Shiwiii said:
On 9/23/2018 at 3:08 PM, Jack Ryan said:

How is this different from "passing the plate" that my dad always boasted that JW's did not do?

its not

I am struggling to see any comparison between reminding brothers of the modern-day, fluctuating costs of running an assembly and "passing the plate"???

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16 hours ago, Gone Away said:

I am struggling to see any comparison between reminding brothers of the modern-day, fluctuating costs of running an assembly and "passing the plate"???

 

16 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

what do you want me to do about your struggle? 

What! Shiwiiiii would equate the two? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Even Jack, who starts a thread if a GB member so much as passes gas, is not this dumb. When he heads this thread, it is 'Witnesses now "encouraged?" He puts the 'encouraged' in quotes because even he knows that you have to stretch it very thin to see matters this way.

'Taste and see that Jehovah is good,' says Psalm 34:8. If you tasted and saw that he was bad, what is to be done? 'Check your taste buds' is the only answer that comes to mind. However, Shiwiiiii can just as well fire the same answer back. So it becomes a stalemate.

 

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47 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

What! Shiwiiiii would equate the two? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

7 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Probably best to let each one carry his own load in this regard.

 

Are you both serious? Really? 

You mean to tell me that you cannot see the similarities between passing the plate and requesting money? Had this come from the Catholic church encouraging their members to fork over some money, you two would be going over some dialog in your minds of how jws are so much better because the jws don't do that. The fact of the matter is ALL churches do it. They all do it for the same exact reasons stated here and elsewhere, to cover expenses. Do some spend it frivolously and are wasteful? Sure. Is any one group innocent in their dealings with the peoples money 100% of the time, probably not. Are there some who try to use the money responsibly? No doubt. But to look down your nose at another group while ignoring your own actions is the perfect definition of hypocrisy.    

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2 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

 

 

Are you both serious? Really? 

You mean to tell me that you cannot see the similarities between passing the plate and requesting money? Had this come from the Catholic church encouraging their members to fork over some money, you two would be going over some dialog in your minds of how jws are so much better because the jws don't do that. The fact of the matter is ALL churches do it. They all do it for the same exact reasons stated here and elsewhere, to cover expenses. Do some spend it frivolously and are wasteful? Sure. Is any one group innocent in their dealings with the peoples money 100% of the time, probably not. Are there some who try to use the money responsibly? No doubt. But to look down your nose at another group while ignoring your own actions is the perfect definition of hypocrisy.    

That's not a terrible answer. I'll try to get the count of 'iii's right.

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4 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

you two would be going over some dialog in your minds of how jws are so much better because the jws don't do that.

Now you are reading minds, (two at the same time it seems), and drawing conclusions on your results????

I know you are hurting over something, but I don't think you are on a healing route here.  ?

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1 minute ago, Gone Away said:

Now you are reading minds, (two at the same time it seems), and drawing conclusions on your results????

I know you are hurting over something, but I don't think you are on a healing route here.  ?

Bahahahaha, Nice deflection. I think you are dodging the topic because you know what I said is true, you just can't accept it. 

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13 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

I think you are dodging the topic

Are you reading minds again? Tsk! Tsk! 

I don't need to dodge this topic? It makes perfect sense to me. You just can't accept that telling people how much it costs to run an assembly is quite normal and practical. That's not how you feel. Not everyone feels the same way as you do. You will just have to accept that.

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8 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

Are you reading minds again? Tsk! Tsk! 

I don't need to dodge this topic? It makes perfect sense to me. You just can't accept that telling people how much it costs to run an assembly is quite normal and practical. That's not how you feel. Not everyone feels the same way as you do. You will just have to accept that.

The question posed was "How is this different from "passing the plate", it is not. You said you couldn't comprehend that,  and now you are telling me? 

The fact of the matter is that it is exactly the same thing, to cover costs associated with whatever religious events the group puts on, no matter if they are Catholic/Hindu/Christian/jws. 

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5 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

 

 

Are you both serious? Really? 

You mean to tell me that you cannot see the similarities between passing the plate and requesting money? Had this come from the Catholic church encouraging their members to fork over some money, you two would be going over some dialog in your minds of how jws are so much better because the jws don't do that. The fact of the matter is ALL churches do it. They all do it for the same exact reasons stated here and elsewhere, to cover expenses. Do some spend it frivolously and are wasteful? Sure. Is any one group innocent in their dealings with the peoples money 100% of the time, probably not. Are there some who try to use the money responsibly? No doubt. But to look down your nose at another group while ignoring your own actions is the perfect definition of hypocrisy.    

Or maybe some do it (GB of JW Org) to pay off the fines and pay off the victims of Child Abuse. And it's funny how many payments are done in secret with the victims not allowed to tell how much they received..... Well that money has to come from somewhere. 

I do believe even the individual congregations are not allowed to keep their own money now. They have to hand over any 'extra' that they may have been keeping for repairs etc...  So remember folks when you put your money in the little box, you are paying to keep those pedophiles hidden in the congregations................  

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1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

The fact of the matter is that it is exactly the same thing, to cover costs associated with whatever religious events the group puts on, no matter if they are Catholic/Hindu/Christian/jws.

Look, even the most basic comprehension of this topic demonstrates its pathetic reasoning. Covering costs is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are about, hence a per capita assessment, which makes perfect economic sense. You are presenting this (covertly) as if it were comparable to a levy, such as the tithing arrangement so favoured by some, or, as explicitly stated as a "passing the plate" excercise similar to that carried out customarily by others. I am not going to argue the case further on that point, but I would suggest a more careful marshalling of facts is really in order here.

To compare Jehovah's Witnesses discussions on necessary contributions for the funding of religious activities to those of organisations  such as "Catholic/Hindu/Christian/" (and I am sure you would include other groups in your representative listing), seems a benighted position to take.

Literally decades ago, the following observation was made by respected academics, R. Stark & L. R. Iannaccone, regarding the prudent use of resources by Jehovah's Witnesses: 

"In 1992, the combined efforts of the Protestant churches of the United States and Canada sustained 41,142 overseas missionaries at a cost of more than $2 billion a year (Siewert & Kenyon, 1993). That same year, there were 3,279,270 “ overseas” Jehovah’s Witness publishers (nearly all of whom were native-speakers of the language of their mission area) operating on a total budget of $45 million (Yearbook, 1993: 33, 40). That is 80 times as many missionaries for a tiny fraction of the cost." (Journal of Contemporary Religion, Vol.12, No2, 1997).

Jehovah's Witnesses are quite happy to contribute both time and cost-covering money to furthering the interests of what they consider to be God's Kingdom at this time. And that includes direction on costs, along with information on cost-effective and efficient methods to make financial contributions to cover those costs.

So basically, Get over it! It is patently obvious that value for money when it comes to the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses is beyond criticism. Not beyond jealousy however, (Ez.38:11-12).

These other groups you mention appear to be covering far more than costs.

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53 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I do believe even the individual congregations are not allowed to keep their own money now. They have to hand over any 'extra' that they may have been keeping for repairs etc...  So remember folks when you put your money in the little box, you are paying to keep those pedophiles hidden in the congregations................  

You're outa touch my baby, my poor old fashioned baby........

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3 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

Look, even the most basic comprehension of this topic demonstrates its pathetic reasoning. Covering costs is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are about, hence a per capita assessment, which makes perfect economic sense. You are presenting this (covertly) as if it were comparable to a levy, such as the tithing arrangement so favoured by some, or, as explicitly stated as a "passing the plate" excercise similar to that carried out customarily by others. I am not going to argue the case further on that point, but I would suggest a more careful marshalling of facts is really in order here.

To compare Jehovah's Witnesses discussions on necessary contributions for the funding of religious activities to those of organisations  such as "Catholic/Hindu/Christian/" (and I am sure you would include other groups in your representative listing), seems a benighted position to take.

Literally decades ago, the following observation was made by respected academics, R. Stark & L. R. Iannaccone, regarding the prudent use of resources by Jehovah's Witnesses: 

"In 1992, the combined efforts of the Protestant churches of the United States and Canada sustained 41,142 overseas missionaries at a cost of more than $2 billion a year (Siewert & Kenyon, 1993). That same year, there were 3,279,270 “ overseas” Jehovah’s Witness publishers (nearly all of whom were native-speakers of the language of their mission area) operating on a total budget of $45 million (Yearbook, 1993: 33, 40). That is 80 times as many missionaries for a tiny fraction of the cost." (Journal of Contemporary Religion, Vol.12, No2, 1997).

Jehovah's Witnesses are quite happy to contribute both time and cost-covering money to furthering the interests of what they consider to be God's Kingdom at this time. And that includes direction on costs, along with information on cost-effective and efficient methods to make financial contributions to cover those costs.

So basically, Get over it! It is patently obvious that value for money when it comes to the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses is beyond criticism. Not beyond jealousy however, (Ez.38:11-12).

These other groups you mention appear to be covering far more than costs.

And who is paying the Victims of Child Abuse then ? Who paid the two million dollar (Supreme Court of California) court costs ? 

Who paid those two ex-brothers the hidden amounts for the abuse they suffered ?

Where oh where do you think all that money is coming from ? Remembering that this problem is now Earthwide. 

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6 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

You're outa touch my baby, my poor old fashioned baby........

Not here in the UK I'm not. The congregations are only allowed to keep so much then have to hand over the rest. 

I only left the Org in the beginning of this year, so i do know what I'm talking about.

But of course you can try to belittle me as it's the thing JW's do. 

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4 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

Look, even the most basic comprehension of this topic demonstrates its pathetic reasoning. Covering costs is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are about, hence a per capita assessment, which makes perfect economic sense. You are presenting this (covertly) as if it were comparable to a levy, such as the tithing arrangement so favoured by some, or, as explicitly stated as a "passing the plate" excercise similar to that carried out customarily by others. I am not going to argue the case further on that point, but I would suggest a more careful marshalling of facts is really in order here.

So what you are saying is that its ok because it is the wt doing it for economic reasons and its not ok for other groups to do it for economic reasons. Gotcha.......sheesh. You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. 

 

6 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are quite happy to contribute both time and cost-covering money to furthering the interests of what they consider to be God's Kingdom at this time. And that includes direction on costs, along with information on cost-effective and efficient methods to make financial contributions to cover those costs.

no problem at all from me about what jws want to do with their money and time. 

The problem I have is, the hypocritical stance of doing the same thing, but yet condemning others for the same practices. 

8 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

These other groups you mention appear to be covering far more than costs.

that is pure speculation, unless you have some reports of Hindu money practices. what isn't speculation is the numerous court cases that the wt is fighting across the world with your funds. I know you don't care about those issues nor that your money is being used in this way, but it is the facts. 

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1 minute ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Not here in the UK I'm not. The congregations are only allowed to keep so much then have to hand over the rest. 

I only left the Org in the beginning of this year, so i do know what I'm talking about.

But of course you can try to belittle me as it's the thing JW's do. 

you are correct John. 

Not only that but the continuous payment on building loans to wt headquarters after those loans have been paid back to the bank in full by the wt.  

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1 minute ago, Shiwiii said:

you are correct John. 

Not only that but the continuous payment on building loans to wt headquarters after those loans have been paid back to the bank in full by the wt.  

So is it true that the JW Org is running out of money ? I do know they are selling Kingdom Halls here in the UK.

And the reduction in both magazines and book publications, inc Calendars and Day Texts.

Some might say it's because 'we are close to the end of this system' but I think it's because they are running out of money. 

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Just now, JOHN BUTLER said:

So is it true that the JW Org is running out of money ? I do know they are selling Kingdom Halls here in the UK.

And the reduction in both magazines and book publications, inc Calendars and Day Texts.

Some might say it's because 'we are close to the end of this system' but I think it's because they are running out of money. 

I think you are right, honestly. With the broadcast by mr. splaine, or it could have been mr lett, stating they had more going out then coming in, you just might be seeing the beginning  of the end......Armageddon of the wt. 

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1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. 

At least that's the regular place that speech was intended to come from. ?

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

no problem at all from me about what jws want to do with their money and time.

Glad to hear. None from me either.

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

condemning others for the same practices

Still trying to figure out what practices you are observing.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

The congregations are only allowed to keep so much then have to hand over the rest. 

I'm not surprised you went, the way you describe your experiences. You seem to have been in one of those cookie congs. At least you have been able to stop playing the hypocrite. It must have been a great relief to actually come out.

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

selling Kingdom Halls here in the UK

The more the better. I'm glad to see the back of old fashioned, run down, half empty, under-utilised buildings, particularly in countries that can afford better. A bit of pruning never hurts.

2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

reduction in both magazines and book publications, inc Calendars and Day Texts.

And good riddance to all these unecessary bits of paper. I don't even need a "ministry" bag any more most of the time or silly plastic sleeves, let alone the saving in shelf space. And I'm actually going through Bibles in only a little more than 12 months now. Much more effective approach.

Anyway folks, have the last words if you wish. Nothing personal if I don't respond further on this thread. I'm glad at least you have each other. Bye for now. ?

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8 hours ago, Gone Away said:

At least that's the regular place that speech was intended to come from. ?

Glad to hear. None from me either.

Still trying to figure out what practices you are observing.

I'm not surprised you went, the way you describe your experiences. You seem to have been in one of those cookie congs. At least you have been able to stop playing the hypocrite. It must have been a great relief to actually come out.

The more the better. I'm glad to see the back of old fashioned, run down, half empty, under-utilised buildings, particularly in countries that can afford better. A bit of pruning never hurts.

And good riddance to all these unecessary bits of paper. I don't even need a "ministry" bag any more most of the time or silly plastic sleeves, let alone the saving in shelf space. And I'm actually going through Bibles in only a little more than 12 months now. Much more effective approach.

Anyway folks, have the last words if you wish. Nothing personal if I don't respond further on this thread. I'm glad at least you have each other. Bye for now. ?

Nice to read some humour in the morning.  

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I noticed for the past few years at our convention, i am not sure if i am the only one that finds this wrong but i dont agree with such practices. For example, they will announce $5000 bank balance at the convention account then they will anoounce all donations made to the world wide work and other places and  always leaves a balance of $0 then they will announce the cost of running the convention for example $3000 then they will announce donations made by everyone which never covers the cost so then this is what i find disturbing they will say thanks for all contributions but then there make an announcenment on how to make donations to cover all costs and that donations will be accepted till the end of the convention. Is it just me or is this way wrong....

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1 hour ago, Jay Iza said:

I noticed for the past few years at our convention, i am not sure if i am the only one that finds this wrong but i dont agree with such practices. For example, they will announce $5000 bank balance at the convention account then they will anoounce all donations made to the world wide work and other places and  always leaves a balance of $0 then they will announce the cost of running the convention for example $3000 then they will announce donations made by everyone which never covers the cost so then this is what i find disturbing they will say thanks for all contributions but then there make an announcenment on how to make donations to cover all costs and that donations will be accepted till the end of the convention. Is it just me or is this way wrong....

You have quite normal perception :))

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      2005 - $20,000 for CHANHASSEN JEVOVAH WITNES y ST LOUIS JEHOVAH WITNESS
      2006 - $130,000 for JEHOVAH WITNESS KINGDOM HALL
      2007 - $800,000 for PECCOLE RANCH LAKES KINGDOM HALL FUND
      The amounts of his donations has been posted in other forums with copies of the public tax filings of his Love 4 One Another foundation.

       
      I will add a link to this page to his central post on this forum:
       




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    • Eric Ouellet

      Ne dormons pas comme les autres, demeurons éveiller et restons confiant en Jéhovah, le Dieu de Toute BÉNÉDICTION 
       
      Voici une petite histoire qui va nous faire réfléchir, sur nos qualités, que nous devons manifester en notre être, nous serviteur de Dieu. Comment et qu'elles sont les qualitées que nous devons manifester en actions, envers notre prochain, envers nos ennemis, envers Dieu, envers Jésus, pour Être porté, par le Maître du temps, Au jour de Dieu?
      Quelle est la priorité principale d'un serviteur de Dieu et que devons nous principalement mettre en pratique dans notre vie, pour Être sauvez par celui qui a préparé le chemin de nos pas, pour notre Salut?
      Le titre de cette courte histoire, nous dévoile ce qui adviendra aux serviteurs de Dieu remplis d'amour, Au Grand, jour de Dieu.

      Le Titre est:
      QUI VEUT BIEN DE L’AMOUR ?

      Voici cette petite histoire:
      Un jour, plusieurs différents sentiments cohabitaient tous ensemble sûr une Ile: le Bonheur, la Tristesse, le Savoir ; ainsi que tous les autres, l’Amour y compris. Un jour, on annonça aux sentiments de la région , que l’île où tous vivaient, allait couler. Ils préparèrent donc tous leurs bateaux et partirent. Seul l’Amour resta. L’Amour voulait rester jusqu’au dernier moment. Quand l’île fût près à sombrer, l’Amour décida d’appeler à l’aide à ces concitoyens. Le premier fut "La Richesse" qui passa à côté de l’Amour, dans un luxueux bateau. L’Amour lui dit : « Richesse, peux-tu m’emmener ? »Alors la Richesse lui dit : Non! mon ami l'Amour, " je ne peux t'aider, car il y a beaucoup d’argent et d’or sur mon bateau et je n’ai pas assez de place pour toi." Bonne chance Amour.
      La richesse laissa Amour dans les eaux profondes qui l'entourait et continua son chemin. L’Amour décida alors de demander à l’Orgueil, qui passait aussi dans un magnifique bateau. Alors l'Amour s'exclama « Orgueil, aide-moi, je t’en prie ! » l'Orgueil répondit à l'Amour« je ne puis t’aider, Amour. Tu es tout mouillé et tu pourrais endommager mon bâteau. L'Orgueil, n'aida en aucune manière l'Amour et continua à voguer sur les eaux immense. Plus tard »La Tristesse passa à côté, de l’Amour. L'Amour lui demanda :«"Tristesse, laisses-moi venir avec toi. » la tristesse le regarda et dit: « Ooh… Amour, je suis tellement triste que j’ai besoin d’être seule ! Bonne chance Amour". L'Amour ne se découragea pas et se laissa porter sur les eaux. Quelle minutes plus tard » Le Bonheur passa aussi à côté de l’Amour , mais il était si heureux, qu’il n’entendit même pas l’Amour l’appeler! Soudain, une voix dit sur un bateau de lumière immaculée comme ressemblant à des nuages matérialisés " Viens Amour," je te prends avec moi." L'Amour distingua que celui qui le prit sur son bateau blanc immaculé, était un vieillard, de lui venait les paroles de son sauveur des eaux tulmultueuses. L’Amour se senti si reconnaissant et plein de joie, qu’il en oublia de demander le nom au vieillard. Lorsqu’ils arrivèrent sur la terre ferme, le vieillard s’en alla. L’Amour réalisa combien, il lui devait pour l'avoir sauvé, et aussitôt un Être apparut à l'Amour, Cette personne qui apparut devant lui était "Le Savoir" de toutes choses, alors l'Amour qui était devant Lui, demanda au Savoir :« Qui m’a aidé ? »Le Savoir Dit« C’était "le Temps" » répondit le Savoir.« Le Temps ? » s’interrogea l’Amour.« Mais pourquoi le Temps m’a –t-il aidé ? » Le Savoir sourit, plein de sagesse, et répondit :« C’est parce que seul le Temps est capable de comprendre combien l’Amour est important dans la vie. »
      Que veux dire cette histoire que je vous aie raconté?
      Je vais laisser votre pensée réfléchir en cette histoire et je vais donner l'explication de cette histoire à la fin de ce discours.





      Restons vivifiant d'un Amour sincère.


      DANS de nombreux pays, nous avons recourt de plus en plus aux caméras de surveillance pour observer la circulation routière et filmer les accidents. En cas de délit de fuite, ces enregistrements peuvent permettre à la police de retrouver et d’arrêter le chauffard. À vrai dire, avec ces yeux électroniques un peu partout, il est de plus en plus difficile d’échapper aux conséquences de ses actes.
      Cet abondant recours à la vidéosurveillance, devrait-il, nous rappeler un tant soit peu notre Père bienveillant, Jéhovah ? La Bible dit en effet que ses yeux « sont en tout lieu » (Prov. 15:3). Mais cela veut-il dire qu’il examine constamment à la loupe nos faits et gestes ? Nous observe-t-il avec la seule intention de faire respecter ses lois et de nous punir ? (Jér. 16:17 ; Héb. 4:13). Pas du tout ! Il nous observe en premier lieu parce qu’il nous aime et se soucie de notre bonheur (1 Pierre 3:12).
      Jéhovah nous surveille par amour.

      Qu’est-ce qui nous aidera à comprendre que Jéhovah nous surveille parce qu’il nous aime ? Nous examinerons ensemble cinq façons dont cet intérêt se manifeste : 1) Il nous met en garde lorsque nous montrons de mauvaises inclinations, 2) il nous corrige lorsque nous faisons un faux pas, 3) il nous guide grâce aux principes que renferme sa Parole, 4) il nous soutient lorsque nous traversons diverses épreuves et 5) il nous récompense lorsqu’il remarque le bon qui est en nous.

      LE DIEU ATTENTIF NOUS MET EN GARDE

      Premièrement, examinons comment Dieu nous met en garde lorsque nous montrons de mauvaises inclinations (1 Chron. 28:9). Pour bien saisir cet aspect de son observation attentive, voyons comment il a traité Caïn, qui « s’enflamma d’une grande colère » parce qu’il n’avait pas obtenu l’approbation divine (lire Genèse 4:3-7). Nous voyons ici que Jéhovah lui a vivement conseillé de « [se mettre] à bien agir ». Il l’a prévenu que s'il ne changeait de comportement, le péché était « tapis à l’entrée ». Puis il lui a demandé : « Te rendras-tu maître de lui ? » Dieu voulait que Caïn tienne compte de l’avertissement et qu’« [il y ait] élévation », que Caïn retrouve sa faveur. Il conserverait alors une bonne relation avec Dieu.

      Les yeux de Jéhovah voient clair dans notre cœur ; nous ne pouvons pas lui cacher nos inclinations et nos motivations. Notre Père bienveillant veut que nous marchions dans les voies de la justice ; pourtant, il ne nous force pas à changer de route. Lorsque nous allons dans la mauvaise direction, il nous met en garde par sa Parole, la Bible. Comment ? Dans notre lecture biblique quotidienne, nous tombons souvent sur des passages qui nous aident à surmonter de mauvaises tendances ou des inclinations malsaines. De plus, nos publications chrétiennes traitent parfois d’une difficulté contre laquelle nous luttons et nous montrent comment la surmonter. Enfin, aux réunions de la congrégation, chacun de nous reçoit au bon moment les conseils dont nous avons besoin !

      Toutes ces mises en garde, écrite dans la parole, la bible, qu'elles sont vraiment la preuve que Jéhovah surveille chacun de nous individuellement et cela avec amour. Il est vrai que les paroles consignées dans la Bible existent depuis des siècles, que les publications préparées par l’organisation de Jéhovah sont écrites pour des millions de personnes et que les conseils donnés lors des réunions s’adressent à toute la congrégation. Mais dans tous ces cas, Jéhovah dirige l’attention de chacun, individuellement, vers sa Parole, afin que chacun puisse modifier ses inclinations. Ainsi, on peut dire que toutes ces dispositions sont la preuve que Jéhovah te surveille personnellement avec amour.

      Pour tirer profit des avertissements de Dieu, nous devons d’abord comprendre en profondeur sa parole? Quelle aide notre Père aimant nous fournit-il ?


      Lorsque que nous méditons sur la Parole et nous faisons des recherches profondes sur ces principes biblique, nous apprenons à nous corriger intérieurement et ainsi nous nous rendons particulièrement compte que Jéhovah veille sur nous.

      Bien sûr, il n’est pas spécialement agréable de se faire conseiller ou corriger, mais Jéhovah demande à chaque serviteur, de suivre la discipline enseigné dans sa paroles, de part nos yeux, par la méditation, la lecture attentive et en manifester les rappels constant (Héb. 12:11). Réfléchissons à ce que Jéhovah examine en nous. Nous devons être conscient que chaques actions de notre part pourraient nuire à notre relation avec Dieu. Nous devons se soucier de nos sentiments que nous véhiculons envers les autres. Enfin, nous devons être prêt à donner de son temps et de son énergie pour manifester les changements primordiales, à l’aide de la Bible, manifester les actions requises qui mène à plaire à Jéhovah .


      En psaumes 73:24 Le psalmiste a chanté à Jéhovah : « Par ton conseil tu me conduiras » (Ps. 73:24). Quand nous avons besoin d’une direction, nous pouvons « [tenir] compte de » Jéhovah en cherchant dans sa Parole la vrai direction de penser.

      Oui, par sa Parole, Jéhovah nous guide pour nous aider à surmonter les difficultés de la vie si nous demondons à Jehovah de nous guider personnellement.
      Psaume chapitre 37 à lire en entier.

      Pour quel genre de raisons Jéhovah n’intervient-il pas toujour dans nos difficultés personnelles ?

      Jéhovah a peut-être de bonnes raisons de ne pas intervenir dans certaines situations. Imaginons qu’à nos yeux, notre être intérieur fut blessé mais que Jéhovah ait un autre point de vue, que, selon lui, tu as plus de torts, que tu ne le penses. La remarque que tu as trouvée si vexante peut, en fait, être un conseil justifié, auquel tu ferais bien de réfléchir. Dans sa biographie, frère Karl Klein, qui a été membre du Collège central, a raconté qu’un jour, que frère Rutherford l’avait repris avec franchise. Par la suite, frère Rutherford lui a adressé un joyeux « Bonjour, Karl ! » Mais, vexé par la réprimande, frère Klein lui a répondu du bout des lèvres. Comprenant qu’il lui en voulait, frère Rutherford l’a prévenu qu’il risquait de devenir la proie du Diable. Frère Klein écrira : « Quand nous avons de la rancœur contre un de nos frères, surtout si c’est parce qu’il nous a dit quelque chose qu’il était en droit de nous dire dans l’exercice de ses fonctions, alors nous prêtons le flanc aux attaques du Diable. »

      Quand une épreuve semble s’éterniser, nous pourrions nous impatienter. Que faire alors ? Supposons, que nous roulons sur une autoroute et que nous nous trouvons pris dans un embouteillage. Nous ne savons pas combien de temps cette situation va durer. Si nous nous irritons et que nous essayons de prendre un autre chemin, nous risquons de se perdre et, au bout du compte, d’arriver à destination plus tard que si nous avions patiemment suivi le premier itinéraire. Pareillement, si nous restons sur les voies tracées par la Parole de Dieu, en temps voulu, nous arriverons, à la destination prévu.
      Il se peut également que, lorsque nous sommes éprouvés, Jéhovah n’intervienne pas tout de suite parce qu’il veut que nous recevions une précieuse formation (lire 1 Pierre 5:6-10). Dieu n’inflige aucune épreuve (Jacq. 1:13). La plupart des malheurs viennent de « [notre] adversaire, le Diable ». Par contre, Dieu peut se servir d’une situation éprouvante pour nous aider à croître spirituellement. Il voit notre souffrance et, « parce qu’il se soucie » de nous, il veillera à ce qu’elle ne dure qu’« un peu de temps ». Quand nous sommes
      éprouvé, sommes-nous heureux que Jéhovah nous surveille, convaincu qu’il nous ménagera une issue ? (2 Cor. 4:7-9).

      LA JOIE D’ÊTRE APPROUVÉ PAR DIEU

      En fait, Jéhovah examine notre vie pour une raison des plus rassurantes. Par l’intermédiaire de Hanani le voyant, il a dit au roi Asa : « Car, en ce qui concerne Jéhovah, ses yeux rôdent par toute la terre, afin de montrer sa force en faveur de ceux dont le cœur est complet à son égard » (2 Chron. 16:9). Chez Asa, Dieu n’a pas trouvé un cœur complet. Mais si nous, nous continuons à faire ce qui est droit, Jéhovah « montrer[a] sa force » en notre faveur.

      Dieu veut que nous « recherch[ions] ce qui est bon », que nous « aim[ions] ce qui est bon » et que nous « fass[ions] ce qui est bon » afin qu’il puisse nous « témoign[er] de la faveur » (Amos 5:14, 15 ; 1 Pierre 3:11, 12). Il remarque les justes et il les bénit (Ps. 34:15). Songeons, par exemple, aux accoucheuses hébreues, Shiphra et Poua. Alors qu’Israël était en esclavage en Égypte, ces femmes ont craint Dieu plus que Pharaon, qui leur avait ordonné de tuer à la naissance tous les garçons hébreux. Manifestement, leur conscience les a poussées à garder les bébés en vie. Par la suite, Jéhovah « leur fit don de familles » (Ex. 1:15-17, 20, 21). Leurs belles actions n’avaient pas échappé à Jéhovah, dont les yeux « rôdent». Parfois, nous avons peut-être l’impression que personne ne remarque nos belles actions. Mais notre Père céleste y est attentif. Il remarque toute bonne action et il nous récompensera en temps voulu(Mat. 6:4, 6 ; 1 Tim. 5:25 ; Héb 6:10.
      Jéhovah voit tout ce que nous faisons, tôt ou tard, il nous récompensera. En prenant conscience qu’il a l’œil sur nous alors n’ayons pas l’impression d’être sous le regard froid et scrutateur d’une caméra de surveillance. Au contraire, sentons-nous encore plus proche du Dieu bienveillant qui se soucie réellement de nous!


      Revenons à la petite histoire du personnage Amour.
      Avant de vous expliquer le rappels de cette histoire allons lire les paroles de notre Guide JÉSUS Christ.
      Allons en Mathieu 22 :37 à 39
      Alors Jesus lui dit : “ Tu dois aimer Jéhovah ton Dieu de tout ton cœur, et de toute ton âme, et de toute ta pensée. 38 C’est là le plus grand et le premier commandement. 39 Le deuxième, qui lui est semblable, est celui-ci : Tu dois aimer ton prochain comme toi-même
      Mathieu 5:44 à 45a
      Continuez d’aimer vos ennemis et de prier pour ceux qui vous persécutent ; 45 afin de vous montrer fils de votre Père qui est dans les cieux.
      Alors revenons à cet histoire que je transcript au début.
      Nous avions plusieurs personnages, il eut Amour , Richesse, l'orgueil, la tristesse, le bonheur, Le Temps et Le Savoir. Chacun étaient différents en manière de penser, en comportement, pourtant ils parraissent tous ensembles, qu'ils ont réussit leur monde, ils ont ammasé des richesses, leur valeurs en leurs coeur, certains étaient très heureux de leur réussites. Les personnages de cet histoire, aucun personnages ne se montrèrent d'aucune arrogance envers Amour. Richesse, orgueil, tristesse et bonheur ont tous ignoré Amour.
      Amour paraissait être le seul à n'avoir pris aucune précaution au chaos qui venait. Amour avait passé sa vie à comprendre l'Amour de cette vie.
      Il n'avait pas de bateau., il n'avait rien ammassé de cette vie.
      Amour se souvenait que Dieu viendrait le chercher par les nuages matérialisés pour rencontrer le Savoir dans un lieu unique où tout les juste vont.psaime 37'10,11

      Le temps dans cet histoire, qui est le vieillard, est Jésus, Jésus à attendu le signal du Savoir avant de sauver sa brebis, Amour.
      Amour avait transmit à chaque personnages son attention de l'amour, son amour pour son prochain était réel, tous le connaissaient par son Nom "Amour".
      Le temps qui est(Jésus, le viellard) même lui l'a appelé Amour par son Nom.
      Qu'à fait Amour pour rencontrer Le Savoir qui est Jéhovah, comme Jésus il a pardonné les actions de tout ses ennemis, incluant dans sa vie relaté en Galantes 5 :22, 23 par sa maîtrise de soi il a conservé ses 7 qualités, les plus importantes de sa vie et cela jusqu'à presque perde sa vie dans les eaux tumulteuses et il reçu du Savoir, le fruit de L'amour de Jéhovah le Dieu de toutes connaissances, de toutes sagesses et des bénédictions, Amour à reçu  la Récompense  de la promesse qu'il avait attendu toute sa vie.

      Pour finir ce petit discours je vous laisse sur une belle citation de Paul sur le thème de l'Amour.

      L’amour est patient et bon. L’amour n’est pas jaloux, il ne se vante pas, ne se gonfle pas [d’orgueil], 5 n’agit pas de façon inconvenante, ne cherche pas ses propres intérêts, ne s’irrite pas. Il ne tient pas compte du mal subi. 6 Il ne se réjouit pas de l’injustice, mais se réjouit avec la vérité. 7 Il supporte tout, croit tout, espère tout, endure tout. 8 L’amour ne disparaît Jamais, car c'est celui qui aura enduré jusqu'à la fin et les yeux sur fixer sur L'ESPÉRANCE DE LA PROMESSE DE JÉHOVAH LE DIEU DE TOUTES BÉNÉDICTIONS.
      Comme notre petit personnage Amour Notre persévérance nous donnera la chance de recevoir le Prix des juste et des humbles de la terre.
      Cher Serviteurs de Jehovah, annoncons La GLOIRE EN NOTRE DIEU Jéhovah le Dieu de L'Amour, de toutes connaissances et sagesses profondes.
      YHWH ELEON.

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      Reason to believe that our world will change for the better.—1 John 2:17.
       
       CAN WE REALLY BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS?
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