ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?

[Witness]

Ps 119:30 – “The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.”

Dear JWs,

Can an idol hear the words of God?  Idolatry is sourced in the spirit of the world, where Satan wields his authority. 1 John 5:19  An idol cannot speak the words of God, aiding others to reach the light of understanding and truth.   John 17:17 

An idol has no compassion toward those in need, extending its hand to comfort the afflicted and those suffering in sorrow; fully able to sense their needs.   It cannot comprehend the examples of love and compassion we have in Christ.  Matt 11:28-30   

If an idol is unable to hear and speak the Word of God in Christ, then surely we know it can never walk in the path of Christ, or shine the light of truth when under the power of the wicked one.    1 Sam 12:21; Ps 119:1-5

Can an earthly fabrication, run by men, EVER bring salvation to ANYONE who joins it?  And what if it does purport to be the way to salvation; can those who represent it, hear, speak, and walk in the Word of God and the path of Christ?  No.  It would be an act of rebellion to assign salvation to anything other than the name that scripture declares as our salvation. Its leaders would be false teachers, appearing as “ministers of light”, “holding to a form of godliness, although having denied its power”.   Ps 18:2; Acts 4:12; 2 Cor 11:13-15; 2 Tim 3:5   

 Yes, idolatry IS an act of rebellion against God.  Ezek 20:8;Ps 78:58  

How do you feel about the following proclamation by your leaders, JWs?

Watchtower 1981/11/15:  “come to Jehovah’s ORGANIZATION for SALVATION”   pg 16-21 par 18

“There are those who rebel against the light, who do not know its ways or stay in its paths.” Job 24:13

If we take another fork in the Watchtower’s twisted road to “salvation”, what do your leaders say?

Watchtower 90/11/1 p. 26 – “We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry – be it worshipful gestures toward an IMAGE OR SYMBOL or the imputing of SALVATION to a PERSON or an ORGANIZATION. 

Please, think about this the next time you view an exJW as an “apostate”.  Do you know that the most threatening “apostates” to the organization are those who have turned fully to God and Christ?  Why?  They do not hide their “lamp” under a basket, but speak the Word of God boldly for all of you to hear.  The Word of God is truth, which exposes the Watchtower’s idolatrous identity.  Luke 11:33; Rev 11:1-3; 13:1,5,11,14-17  

There is no need to return to “Jehovah’s organization”, since it is, according to the above Watchtower quote, an IDOL.  Those who desire to walk in the light of Christ, seek out the pure words of God, untainted by men, their decrees and twisted reasoning.  They have come to know that the Father does not stand on equal ground with an organization, but He alone is our Rock and our fortress.  Isa 46:5; 42:8; 2:7-10  

They have found the true God. They have returned to pure worship. Isa 57:13; Ps 24:3,4

Watchtower 1953/3/1 p. 143:  “Ask yourself now, Did Christ Jesus, who set our example and told us to follow his example to gain life, join any church ORGANIZATION in his day?  No.  GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO DO THAT; but he requires us to worship him…  We have the Bible to show us the right way.  CERTAINLY IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR A PERSON TO BECOME A MEMBER OF A CHURCH TO GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE.”

Who then, is the apostate?  One who stays clear of worldly organizations and worships in “spirit and truth”, or is it you, and your leaders who have rebelled against God by glorifying “Jehovah’s organization”?    Please, reject the Watchtower Idol, JWs.  As with all idols, this one is destined to topple soon.  John 4:23,24  

 

Psalm 115:

Not to us, YHVH, not to us,
but to Your name give glory
because of Your faithful love, because of Your truth.
² Why should the nations say,
“Where is their God?” 
³ Our God is in heaven
and does whatever He pleases.

⁴ Their idols are silver and gold,
made by human hands.
⁵ They have mouths but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
⁶ They have ears but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
⁷ They have hands but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk.
They cannot make a sound with their throats.

⁸ Those who make them are just like them,
as are all who trust in them.

⁹ House of Israel, trust in YHVH!
He is their help and shield.

¹⁰ House of Aaron, trust in YHVH!
He is their help and shield.

¹¹ You who fear the Lord, trust in YHVH!
He is their help and shield.

¹² The Lord remembers us and will bless us.
He will bless the house of Israel;
he will bless the house of Aaron;
¹³ he will bless those who fear the Lord—
small and great alike.

¹⁴ May the Lord add to your numbers,
both yours and your children’s.
¹⁵ May you be blessed by the Lord,
the Maker of heaven and earth.
¹⁶ The heavens are the Lord’s heavens
but the earth he has given to the children of men.

¹⁷ It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
nor any of those descending into the silence of death.
¹⁸ But we will bless the Lord,
both now and forever.
Praise the Lord!

 

Pearl Doxsey 

    "Can the Watchtower Crumble?"

    "Who is the False Prophet that Gives Breath to the Image of the Beast?"

 

 

 

 

[Matthew9969]

Yes they are idolaters based on their belief that if you leave a group of men, aka the governing body, you are leaving Jehovah.

[Kosonen]

Isaiah 66: 5  Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word:“Your brothers who hate you and exclude you because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ But He will appear and bring you joy, And they are the ones who will be put to shame.”

The WT organization wrongfully excludes sincere believers in Jehovah God and his word. Looks like this prophecy in Isaiah is just about that.

[Witness]

19 hours ago, Kosonen said:

Isaiah 66: 5  Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word:“Your brothers who hate you and exclude you because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ But He will appear and bring you joy, And they are the ones who will be put to shame.”

The WT organization wrongfully excludes sincere believers in Jehovah God and his word. Looks like this prophecy in Isaiah is just about that.

 “I have told you these things to keep you from stumbling. 2 They will ban you from the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering service to God.  John 16:1,2

"Ban" - disfellowshipping/shunning

"kill" - disfelloshipping/shunning

 

[derek1956]

How many more anti Jw`s are there on this site

How many Hypocrites are advanced members they condemn the organization of Jehovah`s witnesses, and yet quote things what is good for them when it`s in their favour, I know for a fact there are at least 4 who will say " who are you to judge us, who appointed you to be our judge?" and yet they condemn themselves be the words they speak.

Come on condemn the words I write down you who are supposedly to be on the side of Jehovah`s Organization on earth, advanced members or not you know who you are! Love to the TRUE brothers and sisters, stand up to these false brothers and sisters. Those who run this site need to clear these off and upbuild and not help to tear down the  True Brothers.

I wonder if you will allow this  

[Witness]

 

If one of your brothers or sisters told you a lie, what would you do?  Wouldn't you approach them about it? Wouldn't you expect them to hear you out, even apologize for lying to you?   The GB are just men, no better than anyone else; and who are to be spiritual "brothers" to all.  Many anointed ones, and many others, have approached them about their failed doctrine, (failed doctrine is a lie from the outset)  about their handling of child abuse, about their assumed title as a "faithful and discreet slave", and about their misinterpretation of scripture.  Do you know what the GB does when they are approached?  They shut them up, their anointed brothers, by disfellowshipping them.  (Matt 24:48-51;John 16:2; 1 John 3:11,12; Rev 13:15 )

That act, is hypocrisy.  JWs should see a red flag when realizing this, since it reveals a wicked persona that wields power over one's spirituality.  Your scripture, aptly applies here:

"Who are you to judge another's servant?  To his own master (Jesus Christ) he stands or falls.  Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand"  Rom 14:4

The battle we face, is of truth against lies, spoken from the mouths of anointed "kings". (Matt 7:15-20; Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; 12:7; 17:2)   Before you, is not only a sparkling, seemingly innocent organization, but a well-hidden deceitful lie. (2 Thess 2:9-12: Rev 13:1,4)     Truth is not complicated when we turn to Jesus Christ, who is Truth.  (John 14:6; Luke 18:22; Rev 19:11)

It's your choice - your decision.  

“Let the nations be roused;
    let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit
    to judge all the nations on every side.
13 Swing the sickle,
    for the harvest is ripe.
Come, trample the grapes,
    for the winepress is full
    and the vats overflow—
so great is their wickedness!”

14 Multitudes, multitudes
    in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
    in the valley of decision.  Joel 3:12-14

[John Houston]

I hear the words spoken against our worship, but it sound much like when Israel left Jehovah and began to worship false god's themselves. Each person sacrificed on altars, each one giving devotion to the god of their choice, but not to Jehovah. Not going to either the tabernacle when it was the "organized" way of truly worshipping Jehovah or at the temple at Jerusalem. It was a free-fall of sorts. Jesus said at Matthew 18:20 that where two or more he would be, not us trying to go it alone! We do not find Jehovah through Jesus by ourselves. We must gather with like hearted ones and that must be organized, much like Moses had to organize guiding Israel. You may not like it, that is your choice, all we are saying is that our gatherings as Jesus stressed is he is with us, not,you! Just as Jehovah was with Israel and not the surrounding nations! We are following what the Bible teaches and not what and how man thinks this should be done. Each time we are told we have it wrong, that is all we get...it wrong but nothing to get it right! Jehovah abhors a vacuum. Most here vents about what they see or feel is wrong, that's not humility at all a trait of the Son of God, not WWJD, right? Some of what I read is comical, some foolish, others a waste of time, but we are all human damaged in some way, including myself, so u till someone can fix our problem, which is outside of the human power and allow Jehovah to heal us then HOW that occurs should be our priority. If the bus ride and those on board are not,to your liking then many of you have gotten off, sorry. This bus has the destination that I desire, I and my wife are doing the best to stay aboard. And have been for some 50 yrs. Agape, my fellow human beings, please, live long and prosper!

[Witness]

1 hour ago, John Houston said:

I hear the words spoken against our worship, but it sound much like when Israel left Jehovah and began to worship false god's themselves. Each person sacrificed on altars, each one giving devotion to the god of their choice, but not to Jehovah. Not going to either the tabernacle when it was the "organized" way of truly worshipping Jehovah or at the temple at Jerusalem.

All very true!  What is the tabernacle/Temple today? It sounds like you believe it is the organization.  It is not the organization, but the “living stones”/anointed.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22   If you are devoted to the Watchtower, you have sidestepped the true tabernacle of God in the anointed ones; and, worshiping a "false god".  

1 hour ago, John Houston said:

We do not find Jehovah through Jesus by ourselves. We must gather with like hearted ones and that must be organized, much like Moses had to organize guiding Israel.

It is not impossible for God to lead people to Christ. John 6:37  Do you believe God blessed individuals with truth about the Bible from the first century until the birth of the organization?  Do you believe there were anointed on the earth who, through their spiritual blessing of anointment were able to teach people truth? Mal 2:7 They were not organized according to the Watchtower’s belief of physical organization, but “organized” according to God and how he arranged the bodily members of Christ.  1 Cor 12; Eph 4:7-16  

1 hour ago, John Houston said:

We are following what the Bible teaches and not what and how man thinks this should be done.

To follow the Bible’s teachings on the true Temple today, there would be no physical organization that would take precedence over God’s spiritual Temple. Was there anything that took precedence over the physical Temple as the place of worship before Christ? God’s “organization” is spiritual, not physical.  Moses was told:

 “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”

That is the heavenly mountain. 

“For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. ⁴ For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; ⁵ who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle.” (See Heb 8:3-6)

God’s Temple today is arranged “heavenly”, not physically as you see in the organization.  So, if you serve the organization’s needs and its arrangement, you are transgressing God’s “organized way” as you say, of truly worshiping God.   

You are following how man thinks it should be done, and not God’s.  

You have been in the organization for a long time.  Many who leave also have spent several years inside, but then realize that serving God in truth doesn't take a physical "mountain" to do so.

 Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

11 The woman said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where then do You get that living water? 12 Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

15 The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.”

Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”  John 4:10-15,21-24

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

3 hours ago, John Houston said:

Jehovah abhors a vacuum.

We have nothing to say about vacuums. Vacuums are nothing. Vacuums are a lack of anything. Vacuums are cold, empty spaces that make up just about all of the space in the universe. Think about it. Imagine how far the Earth is from the Sun. Millions of miles separate the two relatively small objects. Everything between the Earth and Sun is a vacuum. Don't get us wrong, there is stuff there, just stuff that is hard to quantify or detect. Light passes through the vacuum of space. You've got radio waves, gamma rays, X-ray, IR, UV, visible, etc. There is even stuff called dark matter and dark energy. They are all there. But if you could hold your hand out, there would be nothing. 

source: http://www.cosmos4kids.com/files/universe_vacuum.html

If You believe in God's creation of Universe than you will accept "vacuum" as His creation too :)) He would not "abhor" something that he created. 

Perhaps "vacuum" you talking about is something bad. But that sort of "vacuum" is Product of WT Society.   

[Evacuated]

On 9/26/2019 at 8:08 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

If You believe in God's creation of Universe than you will accept "vacuum" as His creation too

Rather vacuous statement don't you think?

In fact, the only place a "vacuum" truly exists is in the mind of men, these kind of men: 

"For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their senseless hearts became darkened." Rom. 1:21

[Srecko Sostar]

3 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Rather vacuous statement don't you think?

 

On 9/26/2019 at 5:11 PM, John Houston said:

but we are all human damaged in some way