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What is your take?

We all know what it is and what it is not. But there is people out there who actually believe these testimonies that are out there and they are some who said they've seen people, who have died, undergo torment. Some of them only stick to a single verse, ignoring everything else, knowingly or unknowingly ignoring the passage.

What wait, there's more, the passage of Lazarus and the Rich Man some of these guys think it is literal and they think and or compare this to Lazarus the real one.

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I have noticed talking to many people about "HELL" that they have a desperate need to believe in it, perhaps if only to get mad and condemn you to Hell if you don't agree with what they believe.

wow, really? and you believe this? You are a perfect candidate for recruitment into whatever cult blows this way this week. 

Try telling this to the Crusader Militant Christians. They will scream at you and attack you. That being said, the context and references in regards to the symbolic lake of fire should not be blo

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I have noticed talking to many people about "HELL" that they have a desperate need to believe in it, perhaps if only to get mad and condemn you to Hell if you don't agree with what they believe.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if there actually is a burning hell of torment where you will be tortured forever and ever ... BUT ... ONLY if you believe there is one?

Otherwise I believe all these "experiences" are all just lucid dreams partially due to oxygen starvation.

 

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The problem is there are people out there that indeed preach this craziness. They also tend to play into the feelings of those who refute such things easily, stated that thousands of testimonies exist, yet when certain testimonies are mentioned, they are quick to spin the narrative and the like.

Clearly, God does not profess the passing of people into the fire, he drove such out of the land, and it seems today people profess such and things it is a gospel truth. They will say Hell is the Lake of Fire and does not mean destruction, but a quick turn to Rev. 20:14 says otherwise, with references.

They also do not want to believe that Lazarus and the Rich Man is just a parable, for Jesus professed such to teach a lesson, often times, some will say that the Lazarus in the parable is the actual Lazarus, sister of Mary and Martha, which is not the case, they also ignore Jairus' child, his daughter, and others just to push a false narrative.

I often come across these people a lot, even recently. The recent discussion this person brought up Luke 12:5, I told him to look at the reference, he never uttered a word since. But it is a shame, despite how this person sees into this false narrative, can't help but feel sorry for the man.

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@Shiwiii And your point? One who claims to be a mouthpiece must prove it by their word,i.e. are they following the or striving to follow the early church, as in, the church documents that is highly valued and so forth.Testimonies of Hell, do they profess this also or you are implying adding on here? Muslims also believe that they are the mouthpiece of Allah. New Agers believe they can attain a higher power. Ritualist believe they can become like gods and goodness. Mainstream Christian claims that a Triune God speaks to them and that they are the mouthpiece, should you not vote for Trump, then you are on the side of Satan.

It isn't painstakenly out of the blue for someone to say that they are a mouthpiece of God. In the end, it comes down to who is actually professing the teachings of the early church, mirroring the church documents, applying Bible teachings and principles and making adaptable changes to profess and progress in the Christian faith.

That being said, people who claim they have the holy spirit and say they witness Satan giving the punishment to men, women and children in a fiery place of torment, are in the wrong here, for God would never give Satan or his demons the satisfaction of such, as the mainstream pushes to believe, the end result pushes on to the people that God is the bad guy, the villain, when this is not the case, and regarding fire torment, God himself reacted to it, emotionally, even speaking on the matter that such would never cross his mind, cross his heard. And such ones are not even prophets inspired, so why such testimonies such as these spread throughout Christendom when the truth itself speaks for itself in the Bible? An honest man can see this for himself, and I assume you are an honest man if you actually contributed to what was asked.

In short, no one should be profess El Shaddai as the one of badness here and this is the case with these individuals, and we have examples, Mario Martinez and those who are aligned with the Karios Movement.

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@Space Merchant or the fact people even other Christians who will say some have the power to have visions to see the dead being torment. They'll tell you that have seen things that would bring them to tears and if you say otherwise they will attack and call you a denier. They truly believe that Jehovah God does these things and it is mind boggling. They'll also justify that Gehenna is a false word and Hell is the real term, even going as far as to say Tartarus is the same thing, reasons why demons are, in their eyes, tormenting people. oh Dios mío, it isn't easy to show these people what the Bible actually says.

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12 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

wow, really? and you believe this? You are a perfect candidate for recruitment into whatever cult blows this way this week. 

He does make a good point. Some groups can and will say they are God's mouthpiece or his spokesman, but at the end of the day, it comes down of who is doing things according to Jehovah God.

I dug into Mario Martinez, he's someone who acknowledges he has the spirit and speaks as a Spokesman to God, but what he teaches which connects with the topic is not even from the Bible, not even a small little concept. Another group would be the crusader bunch who thinks God Wills everything even wanting to cause harm to others, not all of them but some actually do if they had the chance. Some of these guys also believe in and actually speak about these testimonies of Hellfire and torment. 

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On 3/4/2019 at 9:50 AM, Shiwiii said:

wow, really? and you believe this? You are a perfect candidate for recruitment into whatever cult blows this way this week. 

You do realize Christians are prophets not inspired, in this sense, they can make claim to being a mouthpiece, anyone can say it, but it comes down to if they follow the early church and its teachings, in conjunction with the teachings of the Christ and so forth. If a man claims he is the mouthpiece of the church and or God, how about all of Christendom, and he professes he sleeps one day and goes to a place of torment, seeing people there being tortured, you think he'd be teaching the truth let alone attempting to seek it and teach it himself? No.

That being said, by all means team cybele can go first for in relation to Christendom, they love to hog the ball up and down the court.

On 3/4/2019 at 10:11 PM, Equivocation said:

@Space Merchant Don't forget the crusader bunch. Some of these guys also say the same thing to, they also believe in the whole taking of the holy land. I met one of them only once half way through my last year of middle school when I was in the city.

 

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These guys are a bit on the extreme side. Occasionally I see them, mainly when it comes to the Bible or the Holy Land, they go off like a bullet train with the power of H. RES. 183. Don't get too close, their second amendment hand are quite strong.

That being said, they sadly believe the whole torment concept to, and some of them will tell you God only stopped Ahaz and others who passed their people into the fire, and never drove the practice out of the land and so forth.

This is why it is vital to study the Scriptures of the Hebrew and Greek text to understand what Hell is, what Gehenna is, what Tartarus is, since many people equate all of them to be the same.

Ironically enough, they don't like Revelations 20:14 which says.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

They'll simply skip this verse and go to 15. Moreover, they, and some, will spin what natural death is, with the second death and spiritual death. You will get a response such as you cannot throw death into death, and so forth.

Such ones are hardpressed by the teachings of Christendom that professes these testimonies to be factual, even saying that such ones can see visions and fortellings of Hell.

That being said, most debates and discussions I have seen, even took part in, even when there is a truth given to them, they will ignore it, and continue to paint God as an unjust villain.

 

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7 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Ironically enough, they don't like Revelations 20:14 which says.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Shredded documents can with skill and patience by restored from destruction.

Documents burned to ashes in Lava, cannot.

You have to VISUALIZE what is being said ... not just read it.

 

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1 minute ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

 

Shredded documents can with skill and patience by restored from destruction.

Documents burned to ashes in Lava, cannot.

You have to VISUALIZE what is being said ... not just read it.

 

Try telling this to the Crusader Militant Christians. They will scream at you and attack you.

That being said, the context and references in regards to the symbolic lake of fire should not be blown into something that it is not. Since we know death is thrown into the lake of fire, as well as the grave, which is also called hades, sheol, or hell, is tossed in there too. The Bible informs us that death will be no more for it will be the last enemy God will do away with, and there is no need to buried people in hades in this regard. Another verse some crusaders will take issue with his in regards to the commandments whereas they think God gives them the right to justify killing. Although they will not do it, but a few months back when there was an clash with Christians and Atheists, crusaders were very vocal in the discussion, but there misguided ignorance shows.

But yes, such ones believe hell is eternal, yet somehow they make claim they can go back and forth. For if their belief in such is spoken of as eternal, how do they have the hall pass to such? The plot thickens.

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