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[JOHN BUTLER]

@Anna Quote " In their eyes we are clergy. "

Who is this 'we' ?  Is this the Elders or all JW's ? 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Anna Quote " In their eyes we are clergy. "

Who is this 'we' ?  Is this the Elders or all JW's ?

I just thought this was SUCH an important question ... it bears repeating!

And just as important ..... who does the Watchtower consider to be Clergy, and who does the Watchtower consider among us NOT to be Clergy.

I am not  an Elder .... can I baptize someone in a municipal pool without getting yanked into "Room 101"?

If I am "Clergy" ... am I going to be a defendant in a criminal trial for conspiracy?

[Shiwiii]

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The key to the whole thing is the WTB&TS claiming the same privileges and titles of the Catholic Church ... which they do in court, time after time, yet claim in the Kingdom Halls that we are NOT clergy.

it is the same mantra , take advantage of whatever and whomever you can and who cares what it destroy's in the process, thus playing both sides to their own benefit.

[Anna]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Following that line of thought ... would a Circuit Overseer and Branch Overseer be labeled as Monsignor and Bishop?

If you want to get that technical, then probably yes. But I think secular authorities recognize the term Overseer,  (or Church Overseer) so they may not find the need to resort to those labels.

[Anna]

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Anna Quote " In their eyes we are clergy. "

Who is this 'we' ?  Is this the Elders or all JW's ? 

 

Sorry! Re-quote: They, the Elders are clergy. My misquote came from how I view the Christian congregation, including the elders. I view it that we are all part of a family of friends. My bad. 

[Anna]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

who does the Watchtower consider to be Clergy, and who does the Watchtower consider among us NOT to be Clergy.

Those who are considered clergy must obviously  be those who are Shepherds (pastors, performing pastoral duty) of the congregation. I'm not a shepherd, so I'm not clergy.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

And just as important ..... who does the Watchtower consider to be Clergy, and who does the Watchtower consider among us NOT to be Clergy.

The question above remains unanswered by the Society .....  so So I guess the GB Helpers would be the College of Cardinals.

[Anna]

2 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

And just as important ..... who does the Watchtower consider to be Clergy, and who does the Watchtower consider among us NOT to be Clergy.

The question above remains unanswered by the Society .

It is answered. And I just answered it too. It's not rocket science James

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

23 minutes ago, Anna said:

Those who are considered clergy must obviously  be those who are Shepherds (pastors, performing pastoral duty) of the congregation. I'm not a shepherd, so I'm not clergy.

Since to the best of my knowledge, and please correct me if you have Watchtower guidance SPECIFIC to the question I asked .. it may be obvious TO YOU ... but it is NOT obvious to me ..... from an objective statement of Corporation Policy.

 There IS a difference !

[JOHN BUTLER]

29 minutes ago, Anna said:

Sorry! Re-quote: They, the Elders are clergy. My misquote came from how I view the Christian congregation, including the elders. I view it that we are all part of a family of friends. My bad. 

@Anna  I do worry about you. And when you said 'we' I almost knew you meant the Elders. So then it got me thinking are you in fact a man, an Elder.

However, you seem to talk in different manners at different times, making me think that you are different people. Possibly two or more people using the same name on the same computer, working as a team.. 

The expression 'My bad' seems to only come from one of your personas. But in other cases you talk correctly.  Confusing to say the least. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

During the American Civil War Abraham Lincoln was accused of being "two faced" and his aides called the newspaper reports to his attention.  His reply was "If I was "two faced" ..... would I be wearing THIS one?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

The next thing you know, the 40 days or so in which we have articles, talks and videos leading up to the Memorial of Christ's Death every year, we will be calling "Lent", and Memorial Invitations will allude to the Cadbury  Bunny.