ANTHONY MORRIS AT THE LIQUOR STORE

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

I get that same funny feeling when I put slices of lunch meat, with the pimentos, and that ring of fat around the edges, into my shoes.

When I walk around ... I feel ... funny!

[JW Insider]

21 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Too bad, we can't zoom in to see the burrito is actually a bean burrito . . . Too bad some people just can't accept forensics. lol! 😁

Perhaps you can't zoom in, but I still can. Let me know if you want the rest. I can send it to you and you can perform forensics to your heart's content.

Sorry to disappoint you again Allen. On the original picture, you can still zoom in and see a couple grains of rice. Of course, past experience tells me that even this evidence might still not be enough for you. "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still."

[JW Insider]

6 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, you should read SNOPES again and a little closer, since the direct effect on Valenzuela money is due to its dictatorship, not just oil. Maduro has made the country’s currency worthless. Therefore, it’s dishonest to stipulate that currency on the street is there because it was not interchangeable.

The Snopes article got a little closer to the truth. It is worded in an unclear way, but I don't think it was being dishonest when it stipulated the following: "Hence the discarded money seen here was literally worthless not because it had no value, because it had been completely replaced by a newer currency and was no longer legal tender."

The article did admit that there were many factors, including Maduro. Part of it was definitely the lower oil prices (which hurt Saudi Arabia, too) and Maduro's optimistic claims in spite of outside interference. But most of it was sanctions that cut off Venezuela's ability to efficiently sell their oil.

Unfortunately, Snopes left off some of the most important factors that became more obvious from undercover work, undercover videos, and recorded, published interviews with officials who have understood the factors that proved that much of the problem was intentionally aggravated by outside economic sabotage against Chavez and Maduro. The recent test of loyalties in Venezuela by the United States showed that a majority (even if a small majority) of people in Venezuela still preferred Maduro over Guaido. Otherwise the US would have been happy to send "5,000 troops to the Colombian border," and have Brazil readied to support a possible invasion from that border. The US often uses "humanitarian aid" as a ruse to provide weapons to an opposition party, while bragging about how the sanctions will produce a humanitarian crisis of hunger, sabotage of infrastructure etc. U.S.Aid and other "white hat" programs have been caught red-handed in such regime change attempts in many other places. Trump admitted in a couple tweets and a speech in Miami that he wanted their oil.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/29/how-trumps-venezuela-sanctions-could-undercut-his-iran-policy-pdvsa-maduro-guaido-oil/

The oil sanctions that U.S. President Donald Trump levied on Venezuela Monday represent Washington’s strongest effort yet to oust embattled leader Nicolás Maduro by starving his regime of funds. . . . The oil sanctions that U.S. President Donald Trump levied on Venezuela Monday represent Washington’s strongest effort yet to oust embattled leader Nicolás Maduro by starving his regime of funds. . . . Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. He said oil sanctions would be lifted if PDVSA, the state-owned oil company, were to pass control to Guaidó . . . . The U.S. measures, while stopping short of a full embargo on Venezuelan exports, are still a potentially devastating double whammy. They prohibit refiners in the United States, which imported about 580,000 barrels a day of Venezuelan oil over the last year, from buying any more crude from PDVSA. . . . The U.S. measures, which cap a steady, yearslong escalation of financial pressure on Maduro and his inner circle, sparked an angry response in Caracas. . . .[others] warned that Washington would have to be held responsible for inflicting more economic pain on a country already suffering food shortages, mass migration, and disease outbreaks.

This post will be moved to a more appropriate topic, but I thought it was interesting enough to post here for a bit.

[Melinda Mills]

Valenzuela is a popular surname in South America but note the name of the country is Venezuela.

[JOHN BUTLER]

I find it funny how far off topic all this rubbish is AND I got told off for using the word 'hood' 

Quote @BillyTheKid46 This picture reminds me of the Drug dealers in the hood.   

@Space Merchant and the young boy, where are you both. Forum police.    

As for @James Thomas Rook Jr.quote " I personally do not trust a Brother who does not drink alcohol. "

" but I have found that alcohol makes a person more uninhibited, and it is then that their CURRENT "true colors" are more likely to be shown. "

If people need alcohol to speak the truth that is a bad thing.   And in my humble opinion if a person has consumed alcohol it means that they cannot face either the truth or life itself. 

Why would a happy person need alcohol ? Why would a contented person need alcohol ? 

Why would a sensible person waste money on alcohol ? 

And of course some pretend they don't actually 'need' alcohol but that it's just 'nice to drink'  Um ..... 

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

And of course some pretend they don't actually 'need' alcohol but that it's just 'nice to drink'  Um ..... 

I don’t drink anymore, you know.

(Of course, I don’t drink any less, either.)

[Evacuated]

On 4/8/2019 at 12:39 PM, Melinda Mills said:

(Ezekiel 7:19) 19 “‘They will throw their silver into the streets, and their gold will become abhorrent to them. Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them in the day of Jehovah’s fury

What is important about this text has nothing to do with money losing it's value either through obsolescence or inflation. It is more about the fact that Jehovah cannot be bought.

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I don't recall when Iraq's money was thrown away when script was changed. I don't recall when the Mexican's threw their old money away when they started using their new money. I don't recall American's throwing their old currency after new currency is printed. I believe the banks make the exchange.

That was my point, too. Further information from the Snopes article explains it this way:

One popular posting on Facebook was captioned, “This is a street in Venezuela. That’s money in the gutter. It’s worthless. Welcome to socialism.”:  . . .

Although hyperinflation has indeed caused the bolivar to become all but worthless, the caption on this viral photograph is a bit misleading. The money shown lying in the gutter in this picture is Venezuela’s old currency, the Bolívar Fuerte, which was replaced by a new form of currency, the Bolivar Soberano, in August 2018. When the Bolivar Soberano was introduced, Bolívar Fuerte currency in amounts less than 1,000 ceased to be legal tender, and Bolivar Fuerte currency in all amounts was completely withdrawn on 5 December 2018. . . .

The viral photograph was likely taken on 11 March 2019 and showed the aftermath of looting at a bank in the town of Merida. Local news outlet Maduradas.com compiled several other photographs of the incident and reported that the perpetrators had discarded the old money on the streets and even lit some of it on fire (translated via Google):

TERRIBLE! Hooded (vandals) sacked the bank Bicentenario in Merida and scattered bolivars of the old currency through the streets (+ Photos)

On Monday, March 11, hooded (vandals) sacked the Bicentenario bank agency on Avenue 3, Glorias Patrias, in the state of Merida.

The fact was confirmed by the deputy of the National Assembly Williams Dávila, as well as by the correspondent of El Nacional in the state of Mérida, Leonardo León.

Through the social network Twitter, they reported that citizens scattered piles of old money bills in the streets, which were then set on fire.

TWITTER:

 

Descifrando la Guerra @descifraguerra Replying to @descifraguerra  Ayer se produjo el saqueo de un banco bicentenario en la ciudad de Mérida, en las cercanías de la plaza Glorias Patrias. Los saqueadores incendiaron una pila de bolívares además de dejar muchos billetes por el suelo.

Mayr 12, 2019. [Mar not May, thanks Melinda Mills]

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In short, the “money in gutters” image shown above captured an older and now invalid form of currency that was tossed aside after the looting of a bank, and not usable currency discarded by citizens because it had been made next to worthless due to “socialism.”

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Snopes is often wrong. But these pictures were already well known and understood in their original context on Twitter, and from various journalists on all sides of the Venezuela situation before Snopes picked up on it.

It was still related to Maduro, and is still related to money becoming worthless. It is still supportive of the idea that people will be throwing their money (even their gold) in the streets, because money is of no value as a savior in the day of Jehovah's fury. It shows how bad things can get. A major use of these pictures, however, was to create a lie that it was all based on Maduro's mismanagement and therefore could be blamed on socialism. The masked persons who came into the bank may very well have planned the propaganda photo-op for purposes of drumming up support from outside Venezuela for the opposition parties.

It reminds me of Russian authorities planting literature in JW KH's as a set-up to frame trouble. The opposition parties in Venezuela have been getting away with violence, riots, sabotage, even terrorism, hoping to create a big enough backlash from the government that will give the excuse for a "regime" change.

It also reminds me of how someone can take pictures of Bro. Morris in a liquor store to try to give the impression that all this must be for him and him alone, or that it must be for the purpose of allowing him to abuse alcohol over some period of time.

[Melinda Mills]

(Replying to Outta Here.)

Thanks for the observation.  It is being used loosely.

Yes, agree it is not about the value of money per se. However,  readers of the Bible will still recall the statement "They will throw their silver into the streets..." and if and when this happens, they will say that they read it in the Bible.   We can't deny that the Bible said that.  As BillyThe Kid reminisced, "What was fascinating to me, My mother pointed it out to me in the '60s as a devout JW that would happen, and it sure the hell did. There is no photoshop on that. It's not a tale."   My mother used to quote it a lot as well.

For other students who look deep into the Bible for guidance and more insight, they will understand it more fully.

*** rr chap. 6 p. 70 par. 18 “The End Is Now Upon You” ***

Do you discern a lesson for us in this part of Ezekiel’s prophecy? It is about the need to set the right priorities. Consider this: Only after the inhabitants of Jerusalem understood that the end of their city and their life was upon them and that material goods could not save them, only after that did they drastically change their priorities. They threw their possessions away and began to “seek a vision from a prophet”—but their change came too late. (Ezek. 7:26) In contrast, we are already fully aware that the end of this wicked world is upon us. Therefore, our faith in God’s promises has moved us to set the right priorities in life. As a result, we are busy pursuing spiritual riches, which have lasting value and will never be thrown “into the streets.”—Read Matthew 6:19-21, 24

Material goods is money's worth, so it has a connection still. Some people have money in the bank, some have it in land and other possessions. All can be changed into money.

 *** w88 9/15 p. 13 par. 14 Listen—Jehovah’s Watchman Speaks! ***

¹⁴ Jehovah and his executional forces cannot be bribed. (Read Ezekiel 7:19.) Bribery could not save the “concealed place,” the Most Holy, from being profaned as Chaldean “robbers” seized sacred utensils and left the temple in ruins. Jehovah ‘caused the pride of the strong ones to cease’ when King Zedekiah was captured and chief ones of the Levitical priesthood were killed. (2 Kings 25:4-7, 18-21) No, sinners in besieged Jerusalem could not escape adversity by bribery when God ‘judged them’ as covenant breakers. Similarly, during the imminent desecration of things Christendom holds sacred, she will not be able to bribe her way out of the execution of divine judgment upon her. It will then be too late to listen to Jehovah’s “watchman.”—Ezekiel 7:20-27.

This is a more direct and valid application. 

Good speech writers and politicians use Jesus' parables loosely in their speeches every day.  But we don't think they are trying to get close to God or really seeking to do his will.

 

[Melinda Mills]

20 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

May 12, 2019.

-------------- end of Twitter quote as seen as Snopes ------------

In short, the “money in gutters” image shown above captured an older and now invalid form of currency that was tossed aside after the looting of a bank, and not usable currency discarded by citizens because it had been made next to worthless due to “socialism.”

Who is living in May 12, 2019 already? Snopes?  

 

 

[JW Insider]

10 minutes ago, Melinda Mills said:

Who is living in May 12, 2019 already? Snopes?  

Thanks for the catch. The date would not format with the rest of the Twitter pictures and text so I retyped it myself with the now-obvious typo. It should have been Mar 12, 2019.

[TrueTomHarley]

4 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, TTH, your view doesn't hold water on why the money is on the street. However, I don't care why the money is on the street.

I haven’t actually made any comment about this. However, since I am being drawn into it anyway, let me clarify this nonsense once and for all. 

This photo is not from Venezuela at all, but it is in one of the southern US states & is in fact a falled bank heist on the part of @Top Cat O'Malighan. His getaway car was hit broadside by @Vic Vomidog, flying at an unusual rate of speed because some Bethel hotshot and been spied with a can of beer, a special meeting of the Apostate Society had been called so as to see how to spin it, he was the Keynote speaker, and he was running late.