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17 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I’m trying very hard to make my comments as simple as possible. But it seems there is still a lack of communication with you Srecko.

I believe I gave you an example of what a provisional law would entail. I asked you to submit a good example where the Watchtower has made a provisional law or changed God’s law to determine how to respond.

I understand English is not your first language, and I have no intention of insulting you for it as others here do with grammar.

I didn’t cite a Watchtower publication to make a point since opposers and fake members enjoy twisting its meaning, especially if it’s a past published citation. That’s why my example was with Moses and divorce.

I belong to  "introvert species" inside humankind :)))), so quantity and frequency of communication from my side is not sufficient for others, sometimes or often. Thanks for grammar issue!

Moses and stuff with this. Moses Law or God's Law, whatever/however we decide to name it is of Provisional Sort. One of main reason is because no one is/was been able to obey this/such Law. Of what value is the Law that can't be incorporated in people's life. When people are not able , even if they truly want, to live by The Law.

Even in that situation Jew Religious Leaders added human commands and traditions and burden people still more. And yet today, in modern religious systems, things are similar and same. With no exceptions (including WTJWORG).

Divorce thing is with "little" controversy (also as killing non-Jew tribes but with Law permission to took with force beautiful virgins (even under age children) and "marry" them. One part of Jesus conversation with Jew, reveal something about divorce and Moses and by that making questions (to us) about other Law regulations in Israel. 

Perhaps we can agree, how God was not approved nothing of it, that Moses "gave" them (Because of the hardness of your heart Moses PERMITTED you) , but God was allowed them (Moses and Priests and people) to doing so

Well, today we can look at issues in similar way. God just allowed that Religious Leaders burden people with human regulations and ideas just as in the past time.

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It's great to read some humour from Billy the child, on here. He is sooo funny. For instance and I quote  :-

" The Watchtower reverted to being like the first-century apostles with scriptural understanding. The Watchtower in itself is by far the only organization that is keeping Christ commandments. "

I would really like to know exactly whom Billy means by 'the Watchtower'. He never gives me a straight answer when i ask him.

To me the Watchtower is a magazine. Yes also the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society. 

But, who exactly is Billy referring to when he says "The Watchtower reverted to being like the first-century apostles with scriptural understanding" ? Does Billy mean the GB ? or the Writing Department ? Or whom ?  Who knows.

Anyway this Watchtower society which was formed in 1881 as Zion's Watchtower and renamed in 1896, has made so many blunders that it is completely inadequate for spiritual guidance as it cannot be trusted to provide true facts. It shows itself as not having any guidance from God or by Holy Spirit. 

If Billy wants to serve an idol, 'The Watchtower', that is of course his choice. However, as Srecko mentioned, serving Almighty God through Jesus Christ, is the correct way to do it. 

Billy ends his comment with a belter :-

 Either you obey Gods laws and commandments, or you don't. It's that simple. How will false religion (false Christendom) accomplish that? "

Um Billy, I think you have such a bad memory or you just cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the failure of that Society / Organisation which you worship. The Watchtower and it's JW Org do not serve God properly and because they are not chosen by God, they cannot supply the 'right food at the proper time'.  Everything they do is guesswork and when they get it wrong they simply guess again, and get it wrong again. 

Scripture 'This generation will by no means pass away.' How many times have they changed the meaning of this one ? 

'The superior authorities'. How many times did they change the meaning of this one and WHY ? 

Billy the proof is there before your eyes. The Watchtower / GB / JW Org / Society, have no idea of truth and are not guided by God or by holy spirit. 

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Maybe TrueTom can write a comedic book.

There is no better way to make the medicine go down that comedy. After all, if you bury the most brilliant counsel in the more repellent package, how many are going to ponder it?

It works for genuine ‘apostasy,’ too. The best way to dispose of much of it is with comedy. It must be done sparingly and without losing empathy, but comedy is often the way to go.

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5 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is no better way to make the medicine go down that comedy. After all, if you bury the most brilliant counsel in the more repellent package, how many are going to ponder it?

It works for genuine ‘apostasy,’ too. The best way to dispose of much of it is with comedy. It must be done sparingly and without losing empathy, but comedy is often the way to go.

Tell me TTH, what do you regard as genuine ‘apostasy,’ ?

Are you one of those that believes that if a person leaves the JW Org they become a non believer in God ?

What is an apostate in your viewpoint.  It is a person that turns away from a former religion ? Or is it a person that turns away from God ? 

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2 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Tell me TTH, what do you regard as genuine ‘apostasy,’ ?

Are you one of those that believes that if a person leaves the JW Org they become a non believer in God ?

What is an apostate in your viewpoint.  It is a person that turns away from a former religion ? Or is it a person that turns away from God ? 

I like how you proposed the question.  It is a very confusing one for the majority of JWs.  In their mind, God and the organization are inseparable, for the last 100 years or so.  God appears to have changed to accommodate the WT organization.  He requires earthly riches now, and buildings; yet, Jesus said, God is Spirit and doesn't require earthly goods or "mountains" from this world where we need to worship.   In fact he said, "true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.  John 4:23

Would God really change to accommodate the Watchtower organization and require worship to be given Him through earthly means, derived from the area of authority that Satan has power over?  

“To whom will you compare Me?
    Or who is My equal?” says the Holy One.  Isa 40:25

Tom will probably answer, an apostate is a person who turns away from "Jehovah" - meaning the organization.   But, perhaps he will surprise me. 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

How does your silly outlook challenge the very fabric of what Christ taught if you are so dismissive of the body of Christ and his living church and those that comprise that body?

To you, who comprise the Body of Christ?

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6 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Now! Now! who asked first. 😉

What does Christendom speculate about churches?

churches.jpg

 

Do you believe Apostle Paul was insane to write letters to churches? Colossians 4:18 was Paul writing to invisible or symbolic churches, by your interpretation and standard?

Were these churches not man-made, or do you believe, divine intervention built them? 🤔

Remember, the theme of "garbage" has not been lost here with all these queries.

I ask again, who comprise the Body of Christ?  The Body is God's Temple.  Who comprise this Body/Temple?

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33 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

There is only one way to treat apostates TOM, it’s not through sympathy.

Empathy - and just when called for. 

Get a load of the sympathy I show for that fathead Jack over on the other thread.

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27 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

There is only one way to treat apostates TOM, it’s not through sympathy.

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    , "Therefore a lion from the forest will slay them. A wolf of the deserts will destroy them.  A leopard is watching their cities. Everyone who goes out of them will be torn in pieces, because their transgressions are many, their apostasies are numerous."

 

  • Zephaniah 1:4-6

    "So I will stretch out My hand against Judah And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem And I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, And the names of the idolatrous priests along with the priests. "And those who bow down on the housetops to the host of heaven, And those who bow down and swear to the LORD and yet swear by Milcom, And those who have turned back from following the LORD, And those who have not sought the LORD or inquired of Him."

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3 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Therefore a lion from the forest will slay them. 

You may not have noticed, but I seldom even call them apostates, especially when they are young. Can a twenty-something really be an apostate?  They have not yet earned the word. Sometimes I call them “apostates-in-training.” Nor do I say that they are necessarily wrong in all they say. As one elder once said to me: “Some of these brothers are so narrow-minded that you could put out their eyes with a shrimp fork.” If you happened to get caught in the cross-fire of such persons, you  might well go online and talk about “the absurdities of [your] experiences,” as the philly.com reporter put it. One can always respond, as I do, that if they carry on about “the absurdities of their experiences,” maybe it is that they remained too shallow to ever experience the real thing. Still, it is a test to get caught up in some of the oddball things that have happened.

Increasingly, I like instead to just think of some as do certain scriptures: “Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ.” (Colossians 2:8)

And

“For there are many, I used to mention them often but now I mention them also with weeping, who are walking as the enemies of the torture stake of the Christ,  and their finish is destruction, and their god is their belly, and their glory consists in their shame, and they have their minds upon things on the earth.” (Philippians 3:19)

or say what happened to them is what happened to good ol Demas: “Demas has forsaken me because he loved the present system of things.” (2 Timothy 4:10)

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