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40 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Drive this matter of child sexual abuse to the Supreme Court, if need be. If they decide to hear it, it will be case number 50-something that Witnesses have tried before that body. Let it be resolved once and for all when the time is right. Many groups are driven to the edge these days over child sexual abuse, as it becomes almost the only issue that matters to some. Over such matters, the Boy Scouts are exploring bankruptcy proceedings.

You have deflected to the Boy Scouts.  In your mind, you are desperately trying to preserve a corrupt leadership/organization that claims to represent the Almighty God.  Is it not more important to preserve our relationship with God, rather than with men who fail deliberately and repeatedly, to protect their "sheep"?  

I am more "vested" in the prophetic outcome of this organization, of which this matter only contributes to.  

When it is in your power,
don’t withhold good from the one it belongs to.
28 Don’t say to your neighbor, “Go away! Come back later.
I’ll give it tomorrow”—when it is there with you.
29 Don’t plan any harm against your neighbor,
for he trusts you and lives near you.
30 Don’t accuse anyone without cause,
when he has done you no harm.
31 Don’t envy a violent man
or choose any of his ways;
32 for the devious are detestable to the Lord,
but He is a friend to the upright.
33 The Lord’s curse is on the household of the wicked,
but He blesses the home of the righteous;
34 He mocks those who mock,
but gives grace to the humble.
35 The wise will inherit honor,
but He holds up fools to dishonor.  Prov 3:27-35

 

 

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John Butler:

This is what happens when you pervert Justice,  by even having the ABILITY to destroy whole families, when someone does not "tow the line" of Company Policy, by those who invoke the authority of Jehovah God to excuse their methods.

If we disciplined a baby .... by cutting off it's head, and exiling the parents and relatives, and cutting out their tongues .... human civilization would cease.

In the times of the Crusaders, they actually DID cut out peoples' tongues, to keep them from speaking , but just as in the case of our shunning policy and practices ... the  REAL reason is to generate  FEAR AND OBEDIENCE to the exercise of man-made authority ... to consolidate power, and not have the income stream disrupted.

This is nothing new ... it is a story as old as human existence.

What is new, is that the brutality is wrapped in silken words, loving tones,  soft voices, , and the claws are concealed by a silk and velvet glove.

... and millions and millions of hypnotic, well chosen words, continually repeated.

Every real problem we have in the Truth, is DIRECTLY because of the policies of HOW disfellowshipping is done.

Disfellowshipping is a necessary surgery to cut out cancer that will spread.

Mutilating the spectators and family  is evil.

From that fountain flows compounded injustice, fear,  bitter cold, and unnecessary heavy, heavy load of EVERY sort.

It is a cascading avalanche  that turns good men of conscience into cowardly minions of EXPERTLY and COMPETENTLY disguised evil.

There is a word for this ......

 

NORMAL.

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Anna said:

If elders became mandatory reporters, how would that affect anything? It would just mean that every future case, or suspicion of child abuse or accusation would be reported to the police. How would that be losing a tight grip on the elders?

Because every thought and motivation would not then be dictated by "Central Command"

The Elders would be using their NATURAL human conscience, instead of following the "outline" ... the script.

One way to consolidate your authority is the exercise of arbitrary and capricious POWER.

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Hitler was OBVIOUSLY insane to all sane people ... but his arbitrary , capricious, and irrational exercise of power short-circuited the reasoning abilities of his minions.

It also short-circuited their natural consciences, and their natural abhorrence to tyranny.

The ONLY way to rationalize the irrational .... was absolute obedience.

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I thought again of Isa 9:6,7 where Jesus is described as Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. His kingdom is sustained with "justice and righteousness". 

People walk away from this organization, unjustly wounded and bleeding, even bled to "death", physically and spiritually. Rev 13:15 If Jesus Christ is our Counselor and Prince of Peace, why would he have any hand in such unrighteousness?    Matt 23:37; Rom 3:10-18; Rev 16:4-6; 18:20,24

 

 

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In March 1997, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the nonprofit organization that oversees the Jehovah’s Witnesses, sent a letter to each of its 10,883 U.S. congregations, and to many more congregations worldwide. The organization was concerned about the legal risk posed by possible child molesters within its ranks. The letter laid out instructions on how to deal with a known predator: Write a detailed report answering 12 questions—Was this a onetime occurrence, or did the accused have a history of child molestation? How is the accused viewed within the community? Does anyone else know about the abuse?—and mail it to Watchtower’s headquarters in a special blue envelope. Keep a copy of the report in your congregation’s confidential file, the instructions continued, and do not share it with anyone.

IN MARCH 1997. THOSE AT THE TOP KNEW.  And then all the Elders in the USA knew.

That's when those that knew should have acted. Acted to serve Almighty God, not to serve the GB / Wt Soc / JW Org. 

Quote @James Thomas Rook Jr. " Every real problem we have in the Truth is DIRECTLY because of the policies of HOW disfellowshipping is done. " 

I find it funny that you still call it the 'truth'. Most of it is a long way from true. Much of it is lies and deceit. Some of it is totally disgusting. 

Andas I said before it is not just the fault of the GB and top brass, it is just as much the fault of everyone that followed orders that were obviously going against God's principles and love.

 

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Regarding TTH always bringing in 'the world' to every situation, this time the Boy scouts. 

In the world, when a government minister or a big business boss does something really bad, they either 'step down' from their position voluntarily or are requested to step down from their position of power. 

So if TTH thinks the JW Org is equal to the world, then maybe the GB should step down voluntarily or be told to do so. 

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6 hours ago, Witness said:

With Anna's help I believe you are now aware that John Redwood wrote this

That was not with my help. That was at the top of the article you posted

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3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Because every thought and motivation would not then be dictated by "Central Command"

If that's how you look at it. I thought our every thought and motivation comes from following the Bible.

 

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15 hours ago, Anna said:

If elders became mandatory reporters, how would that affect anything? It would just mean that every future case, or suspicion of child abuse or accusation would be reported to the police. How would that be losing a tight grip on the elders?

The Elders would be using their NATURAL human conscience, instead of following the "outline" ... the script.

 

There are many areas where elders are left to follow their natural conscience, reporting CSA could just be one of them. However, if elders became mandated reporters, every time they phoned Legal for advice, they would be dictated by "central command" to report. So central command would still dictate, so that means they would not lose any grip on elders. See what I mean? The key is for the org. not to claim clergy penitence. That's the answer.

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Quote @Anna If that's how you look at it. I thought our every thought and motivation comes from following the Bible.

Are you really that naive ? 

But please tell all of us here, who do you mean by OUR in your sentence ? 

You obviously can't be including the GB, or the Lawyers, or any other top administration, or the Elders. 

That only leaves the basic congregants in each congregation................... 

As for your second comment there, it is a bit dumb. 

if elders became mandated reporters, every time they phoned Legal for advice, they would be dictated by "central command" to report. 

They would not need to phone Legal for advice, just report it directly to Police or Authorities. And if congregants knew beforehand that it would be reported to those authorities then it would be up to the conscience of the person that had the information or up to the victim to tell the Elders or not. 

As it is now the Elders are protecting the GB and Its Org and hiding the pedophile from the Police and authorities if they do not report it immediately. But you know that anyway, because that's what this whole problem is all about.  

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41 minutes ago, Anna said:

Should have acted and done what?

Those at the top should have firstly refused to keep it all quiet. And should have demanded a meeting to do Bible based research to see where the scriptural backing came from. Of course there was no scriptural backing so the whole thing should have been turned around immediately.

If the top brass were too scared to take action then the Elders of the congregations should have seen through it, and totally refused to carry it out. If the Elders were as you pretend, being guided by Bible principles, then how could they keep such disgusting things, dangerous things, unloving things, things that dishonour God, secret ? 

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28 minutes ago, Anna said:

The key is for the org. not to claim clergy penitence. That's the answer

If, then, the clergy-laity distinction is not based on the model set by Jesus’ apostles and other early Christians, does that make it wrong? According to the Bible, yes.......

Spiritually older men did, of course, serve as overseers, which included being shepherds and teachers. (Acts 20:28) However, these men were not paid clerics........

Sadly, when people disregard that divinely inspired directive, spiritual harm usually results, and that is true of the clergy-laity arrangement. How so? Please consider the following six points.

1. The separation of a clergy class implies that one must have a special calling to be a minister of God. 

2. The clergy-laity distinction exalts the clergy class, an evidence being adulatory religious titles.

3. A paid clergy class can impose a heavy financial burden on the laity, especially when the former have lavish lifestyles.

4. Because a clergyman may depend on others for financial support, he might be tempted to dilute the Bible’s message in order to please parishioners. 

5. The clergy-laity distinction tends to cause lay people to relegate religion to the clergy, while the laity just turn up for weekly services.

6. When the laity are Biblically uninformed, they can easily be misled by clerics, even exploited by them.

source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102009288

When GB, Elders and WT Lawyers defend themselves before Courts how in JW Congregations Worldwide existing clergy penitence as answer to Judges why they not want to give verbal or written testimony to Court, than all this what was said in Awake is worth NOTHING. We can also discuss some other claims here about this 6 points and found it problematic.   

Dear @Anna answer would not come by WT Society loud public claim how clergy penitence WILL STOP TO exist in congregations. Well, according to Awake that same THING doesn't exist at all in WT Society or JW Church. :))))..... because JW have not CLERGY :)))) ... only on Courts cases when millions of $ are at stake.

 

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