By César Chávez
Well at least Theologians are beginning to see how CORRECT the Watchtower is by them demonstrating in their new Bible Studies the 3 Babylonian deportations of the Judeans.
However, they still have to conjoin the fall of Jerusalem from 586 BC to an earlier date written in human history and scripture.
An honest assessment, that can’t be found here by questionable people.
NIV, Bible Study has been introduced here, not to show the publishing house but the actions that are now being considered and printed that agrees in similar fashion with the Watchtower. If they are willing to reconsider that stance, then it shouldn’t be a problem about 1914.
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Therefore, 1914 is not problematic to those that, understand.
A topic, or more of a number of questions ?
I've been pondering and trying to research a few things. But the problem I've found in trying to research is that people have their own agenda and will write according to it. They have their own predetermined answer and will therefore write accordingly. I am therefore not starting with a predetermined set of answers, but am asking questions, as many of you have great experience and knowledge.
I'm looking at the 1st Century Christian 'organisation', at the 12, at the Apostle Paul, and at the warning and destruction of Jerusalem which I think happened in 70 C. E.
One point I was looking to discover was, when did the 1st Century Christians leave Jerusalem, based on the warning from Jesus.
About thirty-seven years before the destruction, Jesus had foretold the terrible events that would follow his death. He warned his followers to immediately flee Jerusalem when the signs he predicted occurred. The Christian community carefully watched for the signs and followed the Savior’s warning.
Epiphanes also attested to the Christian escape, according to Bible scholar Adam Clarke. The latter wrote: “It is very remarkable that not a single Christian perished in the destruction of Jerusalem,......"
Vespasian was approaching with his army, all who believed in Christ left Jerusalem and fled to Pella, and other places beyond the river Jordan; and so they all marvellously escaped
Pella must not have been the only destination of fleeing Christians, but it was the most prominent at the time. The flight to Pella took place in A.D. 66 during the attack by Gallus.
So I'm now looking to find out where the 12 Apostles went and exactly when they left Jerusalem ?
AND, importantly, Did they stay together as a 'body' or did they go separate ways ?
As a side note here I find that the NWT has it that the book of Acts was written in 61, whereas others believe it to be written in 66.
The Governing Body of CCJW give the impression that they are following on from the 1st Century Apostles and Older Men.
However, here we must look at a few points.
The Apostle Paul, who was NOT one of the 12, was the one chosen, it seems, to write Letters to the congregations.
If the 12 Apostles (11 original + 1 chosen by men) were the original 'governing body', then why are the Letters to the Congregations NOT written by the 12 ? Why was Paul chosen to write those letters ?
Or, just as important, Why are there no letters to the Congregations written by a 'body of Apostles / Older Men' recorded in the Bible ?
Paul was basically an outsider. Why are his writings more prominent in the Greek Scriptures ?
One other thing I noticed was that all of Paul's letters are pre 70 C. E. which is before the destruction of Jerusalem.
It seems, (although research seems to differ) that Paul was murdered by the Romans / Nero, in 68 C. E.
The only Bible writings after 70 C. E. were written by the Apostle John. Revelation in 96 and John's other writings in 98.
Was he the only one of the original 12 alive after 70 C. E. ?
So what proof do we have of a 'governing body' 'group of Apostles /Older men' from the time that the 12 left Jerusalem in around 66 C. E. ?
And why were they not used to write letters to the Congregations ? Did they stay together as a 'body' or did they separate ?
@JW Insider @TrueTomHarley @Arauna @Anna As JWs that think your Org has truth, maybe you can answer my questions.
By JW Insider
A recent topic about whether the Watchtower view of 607 BCE is SCRIPTURALLY supported is linked below. This new topic should provide a better place to discuss the SECULAR evidence. I also think it would be useful to discuss the methodology that the Watch Tower Society has historically used to treat this evidence.
I would hope that we can do this without so much side discussions of unrelated topics. To avoid another topic that goes on for 30+ pages where only half of them were on-topic, I would suggest that if we get enough off-topic posts, we merely move them to another more appropriate topic.
The link to the most recent topic on a similar subject is here:
By Jack Ryan
This is a nice article about archaeological finds, what caught my attention is the use of 586 BCE as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem.
According to biblical descriptions, in 586 BCE, the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar vanquished the Judaean king Zedekiah and razed his capital city, Jerusalem. The Babylonian captain of the guard Nebuzaradan was dispatched into the city, where, as told in the Book of Jeremiah, he “burned the house of the Lord, and the king’s house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, even every great man’s house, burned he with fire.”
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By Jack Ryan
Add 2 years: Evil-Merodach "After reigning but two years King Evil-Merodach was murdered" Babylon the Great Has Fallen - God's Kingdom Rules p.184
Add 2 or 12 or 18 years - wp_E_20111001
By JW Insider
The October 1, 2011 Watchtower says this date is important for two reasons.
*** w11 10/1 p. 26 When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed?—Part One ***
But why be interested in the actual date when Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar II razed the city of Jerusalem? First, because the event marked an important turning point in the history of God’s people. . . .
Second, because knowing the actual year when this “ultimate catastrophe” began and understanding how the restoration of true worship in Jerusalem fulfilled a precise Bible prophecy will build your confidence in the reliability of God’s Word. So why do Jehovah’s Witnesses hold to a date that differs from widely accepted chronology by 20 years? [Emphasis added]