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KEEP TRYING TO MAKE DISCIPLES

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. As we conduct Bible studies, we have to try our best to “make disciples . . . , teaching them to observe all the things [Jesus has] commanded.” We need to help people understand how important it is for them to take their stand for Jehovah and his Kingdom. This means trying to motivate people to make the truth their own by applying what they learn, dedicating their life to Jehovah, and getting baptized. Only then will they survive Jehovah’s day.—
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This was taken from the study article for Oct, Nov or Dec. I think it is to be studied in Dec. Anyway, so the jw position is that all who are not baptized  jws will die at Armageddon? Do you folks tell people this when you are at their door? or at your carts?  

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So........do you align with the statement in the wt? Do you tell this to others while in service? Cart sitting?  "Only those baptized jws will survive" 

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1Peter 3:20,21

20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you (not by the removing of the filth of the flesh, but by the request to God for a good conscience), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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40 minutes ago, William T said:

1Peter 3:20,21

20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you (not by the removing of the filth of the flesh, but by the request to God for a good conscience), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So........do you align with the statement in the wt? Do you tell this to others while in service? Cart sitting? 

"Only those baptized jws will survive" 

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1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

So........do you align with the statement in the wt? 

I believe the statement that William was aligning himself with was that of Peter. 

2 hours ago, William T said:

Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you (not by the removing of the filth of the flesh, but by the request to God for a good conscience), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You asked your question wrong. Do you think that verse has any merit, or is it all nonsense? Do you object to working in harmony with that scripture?

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46 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You asked your question wrong. Do you think that verse has any merit, or is it all nonsense? Do you object to working in harmony with that scripture?

That is NOT the question asked Tom, the question asked is in the posts above.:

 

"do you align with the statement in the wt that ONLY baptized jws will survive Armageddon? Do you tell this to others while in service? Cart sitting?"

 

its really not hard, unless you don't know what to say because you want to say both yes and no. Do you align or do you not? 

 

36 minutes ago, William T said:

Thank you TrueTomHarley, yes I was aligning myself with what Peter said. That just as being saved meant in Noah's age, being on the ark, being saved in the time of the depends on being baptized. 

interesting point, but please consider the thief on the cross next to Jesus, was he baptized?

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47 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

its really not hard, unless you don't know what to say because you want to say both yes and no. Do you align or do you not? 

Since the verse of Peter says what it does, the GB can hardly say other than what they do, can they? Though masked as an attack on the GB, it seems that what you really have a problem with is that passage of verse. 

Surely there is no harm in directing people to a known place of safety, is there? You have a beef with that? As to whether it applies to each and every case, someone very dear to me says, when asked if anyone other than those baptized will be saved: “Well....I’m not Jesus, and I don’t know.”

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2 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

As to whether it applies to each and every case, someone very dear to me says, when asked if anyone other than those baptized will be saved: “Well....I’m not Jesus, and I don’t know.”

AND finally we get to the point of the matter. The wt states directly that all who are not baptized jws will not survive Armageddon, but yet you still seem to think that someone very dear to you  says otherwise. Which is it? If you truly believe what 1 Peter 3:19-22 states, then it is a symbol/ pledge to God as stated  in verse 21 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[

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It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus and your belief in Him, but the wt states that only jws will survive, thus binding one to the wt org for salvation, when in fact we are to be bound to Jesus and by His resurrection we are saved and our pledge/symbol of this is baptism. 

So do you preach that if you do not belong to the org and are baptized into the wt you will not be saved? 

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The problem with 'only baptised Witnesses will be saved' is that in the stream of time there will always be someone who is not baptised yet either because they are too young, immature, mentally incapable, or working towards baptism. So this admonition in my opinion is to be understood to mean that just like the eunuch told Philip "what prevents me from getting baptised" and he got baptised, so a Christian would not avoid or postpone baptism if there is no good reason to do so. Also, I am sure there will be many who have never been given the chance to get baptised  (India, China, Arab states etc.) and they will survive Armageddon on the merit that Jehovah reads their heart and will give them a chance to prove themselves later, and those who are informed, but keep sitting on the fence, ought to realize that they need to make a decision because the last step, baptism, is necessary.

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2 minutes ago, Anna said:

The problem with 'only baptised Witnesses will be saved' is that in the stream of time there will always be someone who is not baptised yet either because they are too young, immature, mentally incapable, or working towards baptism. So this admonition in my opinion is to be understood to mean that just like the eunuch told Philip "what prevents me from getting baptised" and he got baptised, so a Christian would not avoid or postpone baptism if there is no good reason to do so. Also, I am sure there will be many who have never been given the chance to get baptised  (India, China, Arab states etc.) and they will survive Armageddon on the merit that Jehovah reads their heart and will give them a chance to prove themselves later, and those who are informed, but keep sitting on the fence, ought to realize that they need to make a decision because the last step, baptism, is necessary.

I appreciate your thought and position, however the question is do you warn others while out in service or cart sitting that if they are not baptized jws they will be destroyed as stated in the wt publication? 

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15 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

I appreciate your thought and position, however the question is do you warn others while out in service or cart sitting that if they are not baptized jws they will be destroyed as stated in the wt publication? 

Well no, of course we do not most of the time. We take our queue from Paul and others who were not that direct either. This is what I was trying to say, that in context, the WT is not making the point that only baptised JWS will be saved. It is saying that you can't sit on the fence because if there is nothing preventing you from getting baptised and you don't get baptised, you need to realize (in this context) that if you don't ,it will cost you your life, as oposed to someone who is ignorant of baptism. So those who we contact at the carts are ignorant of this requirement, so the WT statement does not at that point in time apply to them.

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