"Love Never Shuns"

[Jack Ryan]

 They say shunning is actually good thing because it forces the "apostate" to "come back to Jehovah".

[Jack Ryan]

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

Yes how wonderful JW's are when a D'fed person walks into the KH. Everyone stares at the D'fed.  'Oh look a D'fed, lets not talk to them, not encourage them to be here, but just look down on them'. 

Wow, and Jesus said Love was most important.  When Jesus was on the cross/stake, he said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"... But JW's are not even allowed to talk to a D'fed person, not even in the KH. 

BUT, when it's announced from the platform that the Elders have reinstated the D'fed, then wow, magic, the barrier is lifted, JW's can go and hug the D'fed.  Hypocrisy and rules of men at it's greatest. 

[Guest Tom Henry]

Yes, it’s sad that someone needs someone else to “enable” he/her attitude toward the Watchtower in order to continue this line of hate.

I wonder what’s the difference between, shunning an ex-witness derivative with that of worldly view, cut-off a family member?

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/11/21/when-to-cut-an-addict-off/

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

4 minutes ago, Tom Henry said:

Yes, it’s sad that someone needs someone else to “enable” he/her attitude toward the Watchtower in order to continue this line of hate.

I wonder what’s the difference between, shunning an ex-witness derivative with that of worldly view, cut-off a family member?

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/11/21/when-to-cut-an-addict-off/

 

 

 

Who cares about worldly views. JW's are supposed to be NO PART OF THIS WORLD. 

Why would you need to compare worldly views then ? Oh yes, just to make an excuse for the GB and it's Org. 

[Guest Tom Henry]

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Who cares about worldly views.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better. Witnesses don't care for worldly views and definitions. What they care is what is written from apostle Paul. The good thing, Paul is referenced in the Bible.

[Matthew9969]

22 hours ago, Tom Henry said:

Yes, it’s sad that someone needs someone else to “enable” he/her attitude toward the Watchtower in order to continue this line of hate.

 

I wonder what’s the difference between, shunning an ex-witness derivative with that of worldly view, cut-off a family member?

 

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/11/21/when-to-cut-an-addict-off/

 

 

 

That is an incredibly dumb example.

[Guest Tom Henry]

7 minutes ago, Matthew9969 said:

That is an incredibly dumb example.

I agree, ALL opposition examples are dumb.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

1 hour ago, Tom Henry said:

I agree, ALL opposition examples are dumb.

I'm opposed to CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE. Is that dumb ? 

I'm opposed to religions telling LIES. Is that dumb ?

I'm opposed to a Governing Body that give themselves that name so that they can Govern instead of Serve.  Now you will probs think that is dumb too. 

[Space Merchant]

Unfortunately, just as Excommunication is part of the church, The shunning command is also in connection. Therefore, it is no surprise that the JWs are practicing such, as is such has been entrusted to the Christian Church. And I made points on this in the past, as is with sources.

That being said, do as the mainstream has done, alter and or tear from the Bible itself of what is entrusted, then you can do as you wish, but at the end, the head of the church is the one of whom such a soul, regardless of sex or race, will have to answer to, and his God.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

I don't think anyone is saying that disfellowshipping or shunning is totally wrong.

I think the argument / debate, is about when those things should be used. 

I also think it has been proved that JW Elders have disfellowshipped people for unjust reasons. And that people are shunned for unjust reasons. 

As you will know scriptures can be misused by anyone. So I think what some of us here are looking for is justice, mercy and love. I'm sure there must have been many times that Jesus could have turned some of his disciples away, but Jesus showed love and patience and mercy. 

I quite often think about Matthew 12 v 9 through 12.  ...' so it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath'.

 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

14 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

I quite often think about Matthew 12 v 9 through 12.  ...' so it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath'.

I quite often think about that also ... and lament the burdens we have to bear because of legalism, verses common sense, love, mercy and justice.

Under the current environment and polices, if we DO "rescue a sheep on the Sabbath", we will be disfellowshipped and ostracized.

I know this, not on a theoretical level, but from recent personal, painful experience.

Fortunately, I was tough enough, and experienced enough to survive the experience.

...many, many .... are chased away forever.