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5 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

As for your cited humanist article: ”Of course there are secular charities, the most recognized of which is the American Red Cross—“ ....I think we can dismiss at least some of their effusive praise in light of the ProPublica article linked in my post—half a billion raised for Haiti—almost all of it squandered. Let us assume that there may be similar exaggeration with regard to their praise elsewhere.

You didn't read all that it said about the American Red Cross, did you.

But the charity has come under severe criticism of late from media organizations and a congressional report, the findings of which suggest that the Red Cross is less than efficient in its disaster relief work and spends as much as a quarter of its contributions on overhead, administration, and fundraising. The Red Cross has responded to these criticisms with answers that sound reasonable, but more and more people are directing their donations elsewhere.

I linked the article to give you a view of other religions and what they are doing in charity works.  Somehow that escaped your notice, or purposefully ignored it,  but it was the first thing addressed in the article.  

Read the article before you say I am lying. 

The Adventist Development and Relief Agency International (ADRA or ADRA International) is a humanitarian agency operated by the Seventh-day Adventist Church for the purpose of providing individual and community development and disaster relief. It was founded in 1956, and it is headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland, United States of America.

In 2004, ADRA reported assisting nearly 24 million people with more than US$159 million in aid. Its staff numbered over 4,000 members.[1] As of the end of 2007, it had operations in 125 countries [2] According to Forbes, in 2005, ADRA ranked among America's 200 largest charities.   Wikipedia

 

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No, I get the point.  But, perhaps you need to compare apples to apples - a religion in the world, compared to other religions in the world.  https://thehumanist.com/commentary/disaster-relief-can-hum

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

The Adventist Development and Relief Agency International (ADRA or ADRA International) is a humanitarian agency operated by the Seventh-day Adventist Church for the purpose of providing individual and community development and disaster relief.

 

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You know, Jehovah’s Witness disaster relief works—home’s of members that have been demolished are promptly rebuilt—

Do you know that many of these "members" are asked to turn over their insurance check to the organization?  

The Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA) is the global humanitarian organization of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Through an international network, ADRA delivers relief and development assistance to individuals in more than 130 countries—regardless of their ethnicity, political affiliation, or religious association. By partnering with communities, organizations, and governments, ADRA is able to improve the quality of life of millions through 9 impact areas. https://adra.org/

Really, I don't know why you are tooting your own horn.  It's as if you desperately need to find something outstanding and  marvelous about the organization, to raise your hands in praise for "Jehovah's organization".  Rev 13:4  Turn around and look at its dark side.  2 Cor 6:14

Give praise to God and Christ only, not to earthly treasures that do not deliver salvation.  Matt 6:19,20; Dan 3:16-18; Rev 13:4

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14 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

IT ISN'T MEANT TO BE FIXED BY HUMANS, IT IS THE DEVIL'S WORLD. ONLY GOD THROUGH CHRIST CAN AND WILL FIX IT.

We cannot fix the world (as you say)  but we can volunteer to help and support our brothers under duress.  This is what Jehovahs org does. Rarely do other organizations manage to help under such severe circumstances .

I recall in Mozambique disaster flooding about 20 years ago, the world watched and sent no help.  A week later when south Africans arrived they found JW volunteer doctors already there and services running in full force - also volunteers. JWs in south Africa had sent blankets and food, water, etc. Jws had problems getting landing rights for their planes but they were there before anyone else. They used chartered planes.  (Since then there has been a second flood.)

11 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

How you try to deceive. 

Opposers are quick to critisize JWs  as TH's example clearly illustrated.  They complained that we did not help all.... but our work is done by unpaid volunteers.

I can mention that Hillary Clinton's foundation received tons of money too!.... and they went there in person and threw their weight around (did not listen to local leaders) and squandered the money on things which they themselves decided were important and in the end it helped no-one. There is also nothing in Haiti to show on what they had accomplished.... but anything written negatively  in the press about where their donated  money went to?  Hillary got sterling coverage out of it... until later when no-one was interested about what really happened! 

11 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Once again you are comparing the GB and JWs to 'the world', that 'wicked world of mankind'.

Yes- we are not allowed to mention anything like this in  in our defence. Or compare our reasonably successful attempts to that of the other sectors in the world, where we are doing a reasonably good job under difficult circumstances. 

One can compare your reasoning to a court where only accusers are allowed to come forward but no defence lawyers allowed.  It is your "rule" that we may not bring up mitigating circumstances or compare our success to failed efforts in the world. 

Who are you to make the rules for what is allowed as a defence argument?  You obviously have made this rule for yourself - not to accept any mitigating circumstances or comparisons. Because we claim to do Jehovahs work, your private rules stipulate that we have to be perfect.  Anything less than perfect is not accepted by you. Your extremely high standard of righteousness must apply in all circumstances - I bet you live up to all of your own rules in private life.  Lol.

Now that to me is  hypocricy when you do not accept we are normal people who can err and make mistakes and only expect standards from us which are above what is normal.  When we show that we do well compared to others - then you come up with the rule that we cannot compare ourselves to the wicked world! Lol...  the truth is, we do manage do get some things right compared to other religious institutions and the "world".

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15 hours ago, Witness said:

You didn't read all that it said about the American Red Cross, did you.

In fact, I did.

15 hours ago, Witness said:

But the charity has come under severe criticism of late....The Red Cross has responded to these criticisms with answers that sound reasonable

What criticisms? As stated:

Read how the ones in charge couldn’t speak the native languages and often skipped community meetings on that account. Read how some disrespected the local workers. Read how Washington headquarters micromanaged everything, how shifting senior management slowed progress to a crawl, how leaders with “absolutely no expertise” wielded authority. Read about hand-washing campaigns launched with huge fanfare to people who had no access to soap or water. Read about the 130,000 claimed to have been housed, but who actually just attended a seminar on how to fix their own homes, received temporary rental assistance or provisional shelters that started to disintegrate after three to five years. And be fair to the Red Cross: Read their response. Read it all. Were it not so tragic, it would be laughable. It was all so preventable. All that was needed was Bible education. Jehovah’s Witnesses have it. They value it. They didn’t suffer from the Red Cross’s problems.

Now let us place ourselves on their day on the hot seat:

Reporter: “These are ridiculous screwups! You must take responsibility and be held accountable! How could these things have happened?!”

A: “Look, it’s not our fault if they can’t speak English! What’s wrong with them. And there were a lot of internal promotions going on at the time. It regrettably caused some confusion. People want to move up in their careers, after all. You certainly can’t blame them for that! And what kind of a crazy place doesn’t have soap or water? That’s not our fault! And we got a bad bunch of rotting plywood from ‘Big Bob’s Builders’ just before they went under. They gave us a great deal which would have saved ‘those people’ money. We can’t be held responsible for housing that fell apart! Picky, picky, picky!”

Reporter: “Sounds reasonable.”

13 hours ago, Witness said:

Do you know that many of these "members" are asked to turn over their insurance check to the organization?  

Yes, I have heard that. Since that is the very purpose of insurance, I was astounded that anyone would be small enough to object to this. Remember, they commence rebuilding without knowing or caring whether there is insurance in a given case. People are always free to turn the WT down and wait several weeks for the overworked commercial builders to get around to it.

I wrote about this accusation at some length: 

https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2019/01/are-we-looking-at-encouragement-to-commit-insurance-fraud-part-1.html

Aren’t you sort of a piece of work—first asserting that the disaster relief work is a lying sign from Satan who is master at seeming an angel of light, and then saying that that the relief work is no big deal, since everybody does it?

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20 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You miss the entire point. They are setting the example for everyone else to follow. Nobody is. There is no reason they cannot. They choose to put their trust in other models—models that don’t work.

For you, this is a “sign and wonder” that the organization is blessed by God.

I presented another religion with a very competitive track record of charity works, that easily squelches your statement, and you’re taking offense. 

The GB had a home but decided they needed a better one.  With JW donations and volunteer work, it was accomplished.  No one, who labored in this effort either monetarily or physically ,was reimbursed one dime. 

The same people who helped finance the GB’s new home, pay monthly into their house insurance that is available when disaster may cause the loss of their home. This is on top of paying their mortgage, which guarantees they keep their home.  The GB doesn't pay into house insurance and they are not responsible to pay a mortgage. Watchtower, in all pomp, rallies forth volunteers, and sweeps in to restore someone's home if lost during a disaster.  Yet, also expects the insurance check when it is finished. 

 Who's making out in both situations?   Whose ahead in both scenarios?  The Watchtower.

This is robbery at its worst.  You can’t see it, but you can smell it, and it stinks. Srecko called it when using 2 Cor 11:14

 

Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.  6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.  James 5:1-6

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

The GB had a home but decided they needed a better one. 

It’s called updating. People have done this since the beginning of time. The printing presses they use didn’t even fit in the NYC buildings, they became so large. For decades the locals have wanted Witnesses out of there—with an eye on how those properties might be used if put to commercial use & the tax revenue that would generate. It was a win-win for all, and the only one who doesn’t like it is you.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

With JW donations and volunteer work, it was accomplished.  No one, who labored in this effort either monetarily or physically ,was reimbursed one dime. 

This is the world that you have chosen to live in, lady, and you are welcome to it: a world in which you do not do anything unless you are getting paid!

Let us assume, Witness, that you have accepted the brothers’ generous offer to rebuild your house after natural disaster. Repairs are made to the modest value (in the U.S) of $100,000. But then when it turns out that you have insurance and the organization suggests it wouldn’t be a bad idea to donate the insurance check to the work—and you tell them to take a hike!

Question: What are you going to do with that insurance money?

 

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13 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

This is the world that you have chosen to live in, lady, and you are welcome to it: a world in which you do not do anything unless you are getting paid!

Not as a JW in the JW world.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

No one, who labored in this effort either monetarily or physically ,was reimbursed one dime. 

 

18 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Question: What are you going to do with that insurance money?

It is anyone's business?  Does the WT have any right to tell someone what to do with their money, or even suggest it?  Was a contract written up?  Tell me, since you have done the research. If the people signed a contract with the WT, that is their choice to be taken as a fool.  

 

 

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39 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It’s called updating

Me too doing this. For example, puting new colors on old walls. Driving 20 years old car, but not thinking twice when car mechanic man say, this or that must be changed, replaced. IT's called updating ! :)))

 And no one blame me (except myself) for not having more brain on question: how to  build new passive house with green roof and how to buy electric car, even second hand ?!

50 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Question: What are you going to do with that insurance money?

How about some investments? :))) through Henrietta Riley Trust?

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@TrueTomHarley  " It’s called updating. People have done this since the beginning of time. The printing presses they use didn’t even fit in the NYC buildings, they became so large. "

Septuagint bible w/ Apocrypha     Ecclesiastes 12:12 (LXX) And moreover, my son, guard thyself by means of them: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

The Message Bible  Ecclesiastes 12:12 (MSG) But regarding anything beyond this, dear friend, go easy. There's no end to the publishing of books, and constant study wears you out so you're no good for anything else.

So why would your GB want to be spending so much money on new buildings and new equipment, if 'THE END' IS SO CLOSE NOW ?

Surely all that money could have been put into preaching the Good News Earthwide. After all, surely bringing in more people and getting them baptised is the priority ?  Your GB is telling the world that no one will be saved unless they are a baptised JW. But they used the brothers and sisters to do the building, when they could have been preaching, and they used the money for the buildings when it could have been used better in the earthwide preaching work, and possibly to help those bros & sis that need extra support financially to survive. But no, your GB chose to build it's 'Tower to the sky', just to show off its wealth. 

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24 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

You have the right to disagree with scripture of course, but then it seems insulting to the one whom inspired its writing. 

He was having an off day. You would know if you did your research. They had just raised the price of all his newspaper and magazine subscriptions and he was fed up.

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