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I thought it was only supposed to be about "Boy George" so I avoided it. 😉

It is interesting, this "stuff", the truth. I think, truth can't make us free or miserable. The truth is "just" reality, nothing more. Our "understanding" about what truth "is" or what truth "is not",

Nothing sets us free. We as humans are never and will never be free. Humans are in subjection and always will be.  Quote " Before the truth sets you free, it tends to make you miserable. "

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It is interesting, this "stuff", the truth. I think, truth can't make us free or miserable. The truth is "just" reality, nothing more. Our "understanding" about what truth "is" or what truth "is not", can make us feel in this or that way. When we come to some sort of "revelation" about our new position in some circumstances, that is what changes our feelings. I said feelings, as first "wall" of our self made image about own position in life and in the world, in a particular society or a group, family. 

As in words above. Terms "free" and "miserable" are mainly, firstly connected with human feelings, not with mind, brain. Our mind often makes artificial sort of truth aka lie or deceived, false truth. Our awaking from that state generates, produces liberation from mental or spiritual slavery and as one of steps in that process can be sort of misery. It depends of what is about.

Also, it is about what issue is in question. Is it about some personal, intimate thing, some religious questions etc. Every of those specific items making different levels of "suffer".  

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Nothing sets us free. We as humans are never and will never be free.

Humans are in subjection and always will be. 

Quote " Before the truth sets you free, it tends to make you miserable. "

Nothing can 'make you miserable'. People own their own feelings. A person can make themselves miserable. 

For instance, if one is completely shunned by the CCJW, one can decide how they will deal with it.

A person could become self centred and feel sorry for their position. OR, a person could find other things to make life feel better. Remembering that God and Christ do not shun. God and Christ are always there. No one can take your prayers away from you.

And a person should only be miserable if they are having negative thoughts and feelings. So, control your own thoughts and feelings. But remember that we all live within limitations. We have physical limitations and spiritual ones. I've concluded that i will never truly understand scripture, so be it. I don't intend crying about it. I've also concluded that I'm not really as spiritual as I should be, and once again I'll just live with that. But I'm not seeking to 'be free', because we were designed not to be free. 

Humans were designed to be guided by God. God has stopped guiding us it seems. My faith tells me that a time is coming when God will once again guide humans that want to be guided. I'm waiting on God to act. Maybe I'll die before God acts, who knows. Meanwhile I'll fill my life with other things. 

But there is no freedom for humans. We are in subjection to God through Christ, or, subjection to 'the devil through this world'.  We are also in subjection to growing old and to death, unless God changes that. 

Unfortunately the CCJW continue with their lies which makes million of  people in subjection to the GB and the CCJW. Do they call that being free ? 



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When Jesus spoke to the Jews, he was referring to those that accepted his work, not the one's that didn't believe he wasn't the Messiah. Trust in him would set those Jews apart from others. Truth would then set them free through acceptance and obedience. The same knowledge carried by the CCJW. True believers of Christ obey god and have faith in Christ, he's sacrifice means something. JW's abide by John's words.

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Tom you live in a dream world. Your GB doesn't tell JWs to trust in Jesus. Your GB tells JWs to trust in the GB.

Don't you remember that being said by one member of the GB. To trust them. 

Your words " Trust in him would set those Jews apart from others. Truth would then set them free through acceptance and obedience."

So the trust should be in God through Christ right  ?

Acceptance and obedience should then also be to God through Christ right ?

But your Governing Body call themselves the F&DS and they want acceptance and obedience to them, to those 8 men. But at the same time they admit to NOT being inspired or guided by God's Holy Spirit. 

They admit that they make mistakes and get it wrong but they still expect 'acceptance and obedience'. 

They make up rules, they take over people consciences, they domineer. They exalt themselves above all the true Anointed ones. 

Truth would set a person free from lies, but your GB do not have truth. All they have is their own personal opinions. You and I have our own personal opinions, but you wouldn't obey me and I wouldn't obey you. So why should anyone obey those 8 men that have exalted themselves above others ? They are no better than politicians that exalt themselves. 

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2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I think that the @admin will soon give up on trying to create topics that are supposed to be religiously neutral. The most active participants here (including me) will keep trying to make every topic about Witnesses ("CCJW").

I try to participate with music in Arts and Culture club. But people are very "neutral". No comments or reaction :)))))

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