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The Watchtower is getting PROsecuted no PERsecuted all over the World. 

Because they have something to hide, if not they shouldn't be afraid of anything... 

In case this hasn't been posted yet: In September 2019, the Branch of Jehovah’s Witnesses and a number of kingdom halls in São Paulo Brazil were raided by the Police, in search of documentary evi

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8 hours ago, JJJ-AUSTRALIA said:

Hmmm im sorry buddy but u r not talking tp ur jwbuds here, if you want to act honest and sincere u must admit the watchtower is indeed hiding pedophiles even Geoffrey Jackson admitted to it

I know I’m talking to apostates bud! If you Think Bro Jackson admitted to hiding pedophiles, you’re dishonest and a boldface liar, pal!

However, there are no true witnesses here that will agree, the system is rigged right now thanks to people like you. There is no fair secular process. Governments are trashing their own laws to satisfy people like you.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

They are hiding truth....and as result, sometimes that means they are hiding individuals who need to be prosecute. Prosecute if they are child molesters and prosecute if they not revealed this evidence, fact or if reasonable doubt about it exist.

That's your opinion. Why? Because the Watchtower is forced to play by their rules within their secular laws? Due process is big with governments unless it's inconvenient or manipulated by bigger forces like the Vatican.

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The ONLY thing that makes "due process" a fair process is the right of both the prosecution and the defense to cross examine all witnesses, and harangue the Truth out of we Earthlings ... big ugly bags of mostly water.

It's a process based on adversaries and justice derived from trial by combat.

Sheep get due process , but it is usually into mutton.

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41 minutes ago, Leander H. McNelly said:
8 hours ago, JJJ-AUSTRALIA said:

Hmmm im sorry buddy but u r not talking tp ur jwbuds here, if you want to act honest and sincere u must admit the watchtower is indeed hiding pedophiles even Geoffrey Jackson admitted to it

I know I’m talking to apostates bud! If you Think Bro Jackson admitted to hiding pedophiles, you’re dishonest and a boldface liar, pal!

No worries pal, i never said Geoffrey jackson is hiding pedophiles i said he admitted there was a problem within the organization in regards of CSA which is pretty much the same to me but hey thats their problem to sort out, 

I am not dishonest at all and thats why i dont have to make excuses to defend them... 👍 And thats the reason why i left the organization because of their dishonesty and i have said it to all my PIMI friends who have said in reply Jehovah will sort it out 🤣🤣🤣

Anyways pal, like what the society used to say get out of her if you dont want to share in their sins.

Wont waste my time talking to jwbuds good luck... 

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5 hours ago, Leander H. McNelly said:

That's your opinion. Why? Because the Watchtower is forced to play by their rules within their secular laws? Due process is big with governments unless it's inconvenient or manipulated by bigger forces like the Vatican.

Forced to play??!! :)) 

If i remembered well, this issue was explained by apostles in 1st century who gave role model of HOW NOT to BE FORCED by Secular Laws :)) ... But to be beaten and put in jail .. and they liked that, was happy for that.

WT Lawyers don't want their Clients go to jail, prison or pay money.  

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11 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The ONLY thing that makes "due process" a fair process is the right of both the prosecution and the defense to cross examine all witnesses,

This would be true. But what if the government’s laws don’t allow for certain conditions to be demonstrated or for certain question to be asked, to a “victim” if those factors would be damaging for the prosecution?

What then? That’s why in “due process” there are levels of prevailing factors by different courts. That’s secular law and the government’s way of allowing or excluding proper testimony. It’s a hurtful system to honest an organization, institution, society, and victims, but that’s the game they play, and no one can change it.

Those conditions are argued in judge’s chambers, in secret! Then where is that equal justice for all? Especially by those governments run by a majority of Catholic believers as in the case of Brazil, Mexico, Peru, Chili, Russia (Orthodox) South Korea (Buddhism, Islam) etc.

It’s real easy to criticize when all the facts cannot be not set by a good equal standard. That proves more of an uneducated person making that biased argument.

Perhaps the realm of “Confucius” can be ascertained.

"The wisdom of Confucius". If either wealth or poverty are come by honesty, there is no shame. You can cheat an honest man but not make a fool out of him.

This is something engrained here. The Contrary to scripture with “thou shall not steal” Exodus 20:15 to what can be considered between serious crimes and civil justice with 1 Corinthians 6:4-5

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11 hours ago, JJJ-AUSTRALIA said:

i never said Geoffrey jackson is hiding pedophiles i said he admitted there was a problem within the organization in regards of CSA which is pretty much the same to me but hey thats their problem to sort out, 

I am not dishonest at all and thats why i dont have to make excuses to defend them...

Either way, He never mentioned there is a problem with CSA, other than to agree with the ARC the victims need to be cared for. The easiest way was if the government took full control of those cases out of the hands of the watchtower. That way, the government would be fully blamed if they didn't meet the public's expectation. The governments answer, we won't consider that. Therefore, you are a dishonest person for attempting to manipulate Jackson own words.

But, I will agree with you on this. I didn’t want to waste my time with a bitter ex-witness, and therefore, I will agree not to answer your comments. Avoiding a person that has confused their loyalty just like the ancient Hebrews to satisfy their personal wants and needs instead of staying loyal to God and allow his process for the wicked, that neither me nor people like you can eradicate is a far more honest outlook in life.

So, good luck to you as well. Just keep in mind 2 Peter 2:21 about the deliverance from false prophets and their judgement placed upon them. No one can be blamed except themselves, why? They have condemned themselves to that judgement by looking at things as the world does.

 

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28 minutes ago, Leander H. McNelly said:

Either way, He never mentioned there is a problem with CSA, other than to agree with the ARC the victims need to be cared for. The easiest way was if the government took full control of those cases out of the hands of the watchtower. That way, the government would be fully blamed if they didn't meet the public's expectation. The governments answer, we won't consider that. Therefore, you are a dishonest person for attempting to manipulate Jackson own words.

But, I will agree with you on this. I didn’t want to waste my time with a bitter ex-witness, and therefore, I will agree not to answer your comments. Avoiding a person that has confused their loyalty just like the ancient Hebrews to satisfy their personal wants and needs instead of staying loyal to God and allow his process for the wicked, that neither me nor people like you can eradicate is a far more honest outlook in life.

 

So, good luck to you as well. Just keep in mind 2 Peter 2:21 about the deliverance from false prophets and their judgement placed upon them. No one can be blamed except themselves, why? They have condemned themselves to that judgement by looking at things as the world does.

 

 

Atleast we agreed on something, 👍.

 

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1 hour ago, Leander H. McNelly said:

Yeah, think about how governments have to manipulate their own laws to satisfy people that don't think and are looking for "blind justice".

It was said too harshly :)). Governments just "rowing" on their way to find truth and justice. Also, in meantime they giving "clarifications" and "instructions". :)) Is this "manipulation"? In the same way and purpose as WT JWorg doing to their members.

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4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Also, in meantime they giving "clarifications" and "instructions". :)) Is this "manipulation"? In the same way and purpose as WT JWorg doing to their members.

The Watchtower has been giving clear instruction about child abuse since the 50s. It's up to the people to listen. Can you control the behavior of another? Don't just argue, use common sense, your logic is useless.

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9 hours ago, Leander H. McNelly said:

Can you control the behavior of another?

If WT is not able to control their own people behavior .....let them dfd all, all those who are out of control :)))))))

Now, let us be serious. Systematic program of Elder Body Judicial Committee is to put people's (bad or not bad, question is open) behavior inside controlled boarders. Boarders are made by Bible Principles and by WT human rules. Sometimes they are in collision, but that is another issue. 

It would be nice to see all those "clear instruction/s" about CSA issue from, as you said 50's to nowadays. I am sure how WT organization made few "clarification" about same issue because "light getting brighter" from day to day. Do you or some other people here have some time to show us documented "progress" or "invariable instructions" on this subject in that period of about 70 years? Articles, magazines, BOE and CO letters and other inside official and unofficial conversations of those who creating organizational policy. 

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