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I think you have just inadvertently admitted why Jesus was so dead-set against looking for signs indicating how close we were to the END. When people begin trying to use various ideas from world event

Quote @JW Insider "No one should be able to say, oh look at this war, "See here!" it is the greatest war ever seen, or "Look at this great earthquake, or famine, or pestilence, " But isn't that w

Facts are nice, but they are overrated. They are downright dangerous things in the hands of some, who handle them as deftly as a surgeon with a jackhammer. Facts mean little in themselves. It’s h

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I agree with most of what 4J says as a matter of philosophy, but consider his view of what "facts" he stated being relevant to be distorted.

One pilot will consider his aircraft's fuel supplies half full ... another will consider it half empty.

What is important is not digging holes in a corn field.

 

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7 hours ago, Arauna said:

I see many beautiful young girls who stay single and not marry unbelievers.  Some here have excellent education (the Russians are all stunningly beautiful and educated)

Well, the Ukraine girls really knock me out,

They leave the West behind.

And Moscow girls make me sing and shout,

and Georgia’s always on my mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mind!

(sorry)

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6 hours ago, Arauna said:

The bible says we must lift up our heads in joy when we see these signs of which one is pestilence.  We are not happy when people die but happy that our deliverance is getting closer...

Matthew 24 v 4 through 8.

 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you,e  for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.f  You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.g “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,h and there will be food shortagesi and earthquakes in one place after another.j  All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

Luke 21 v 9 through 11.

 Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disturbances,* do not be terrified. For these things must take place first, but the end will not occur immediately.”j10  Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation,k and kingdom against kingdom.l 11  There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;m and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.

I think @JW Insider  said that the so called signs were actually just the opposite. They are things not to get excited about, because it gives false hope. 

And as I've said before Jesus warned against those looking for 'signs'. Looking for physical signs is showing a physical viewpoint not a spiritual viewpoint. 

Surely there are many things to happen between now and the Judgement. 

 

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