I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

To understand it correctly, you need to watch the following video.... from another generation.

 

[TrueTomHarley]

Alright, knock it off! This is my thread and it has to do with that stupid chart purporting to prove that there is no God.

I didn’t start it up so the ol pork chop could once again indulge one of his pet peeves and air yet another one of his grievances with the GB for the umpteenth time. Let him start up his own thread.

Tell him, ol hen. Tell him to start his own thread.

[JW Insider]

31 minutes ago, Anna said:

Was that even possible? 😂

LOL. You got me there.

31 minutes ago, Anna said:

Does that make sense? 🤔

In other words we have two classes of generation, an overlapping one and a non overlapping one 🤪

It makes sense, up to a point. Very expressive emojis, btw.

But TTH is right. This topic does not overlap well with the OP. Guilty!

[Anna]

 

18 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Alright, knock it off! This is my thread and it has to do with that stupid chart purporting to prove that there is no God.

I didn’t start it up so the ol pork chop could once again indulge one of his pet peeves and air yet another one of his grievances with the GB for the umpteenth time. Let him start up his own thread.

Tell him, ol hen. Tell him to start his own thread.

But this is the open club where anything goes!

 

[TrueTomHarley]

32 minutes ago, Anna said:

 

But this is the open club where anything goes!

 

Well—now that you put it that way....

[TrueTomHarley]

On 4/20/2020 at 5:14 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

 

Perhaps TTH can.(?)

The more I think about it, the more I am surprised that you would continue to ridicule this, now that it was acquired powerful circumstantial evidence that it may turn out just this way. 

A stretch? Not the most likely meaning of generation? Possibly. Still, the GB began saying ‘the last of the last days’ about 6 months ago, just before a virus and worldwide collapse that couldn’t fit better with such a description came along. Even if it seems from a distance not the most likely explanation, there is nothing illogical about it, nothing fictional, that you should continue to laugh your sides off. It is only your disrespect for those taking the lead that makes you do this. There is nothing about the explanation that rings false in itself, and now much that suggests it might be true.

You should reassess your ridicule. It smacks too much of Dathan splitting his sides laughing at Moses’ chart of how the earth would open up.

.....

“Zena! Zena! Oh no! Poor Zena. Why didn’t she listen to Jehovah?”

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

It is so lovely to read all you JWs disagreeing with each other over the stupid Generation chart and overlapping generations. 

But does it make you opposers if you are still in the org ? Or does one have to leave the org to be an opposer ? 

Whichever, it is just one more proof that the GB do not have God's blessing or Holy Spirit. 

The blind leading the blind. Or maybe overlapping blind all falling into the pit.

[JW Insider]

On 4/23/2020 at 11:12 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Even if it seems from a distance not the most likely explanation, there is nothing illogical about it, nothing fictional, that you should continue to laugh your sides off.

I know this wasn't directed directly at me, but I am just as likely to ridicule the chart as several others around here. The reason is reason:

(Philippians 4:5) 5 Let your reasonableness become known to all men.. . .

(2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2) . . .However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

(James 1:22) . . .However, become doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning. . .

(Romans 12:1) . . .Therefore, I appeal to you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason.

(James 3:17) 17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, . . .

This reminds me of the time when Rutherford began teaching about "Armageddon" in 1925 (and the start of the resurrection of the ancient worthies like Abraham and David). He said it was not just a possibility or probability, but the practical equivalent of a certainty. This teaching was Rutherford's most famous prophetic interpretation from the moment that he was supposed to have embodied the "faithful slave" and the "Governing Body" starting in 1919. The 1919 prophetic message "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" was a message about how people would stop dying in 1925.

Should anyone have said anything to Rutherford about how unreasonable this idea was? Should anyone have said anything to anyone else who was teaching this? Rutherford was saying that his hearers and readers could be more certain of 1925 than Noah could have been certain about an imminent Flood. He said 1925 was more of a certainty than 1914 had been. (Which year had also been displayed in famous charts and chart-dependent presentations.) 

I think you are implying that out of respect for Rutherford (and the "faithful slave" and the "Governing Body") that no one should have pointed out that this was unreasonable. Something similar might go for the idea that the Governing Body said that there should be no divorce allowed for a sister in the congregation when her husband was found to be committing adultery with another man. In the latter case, I'm pretty sure that the rule was changed only when enough people were bold enough to make fun of it. If no one had spoken up, we might still be stuck with this unreasonable teaching.

You point out that it now seems reasonable that the end might come about based upon the travails that the world is going through at this time. That might seem reasonable to a lot of people. Yet, even if it happens to be correct that we are currently listening to the world's "death rattle," it still does not follow that an unreasonable chart had anything to do with it.

If the end comes tonight and someone later discovers that a man in, say, Northern Queensland had been holding up a sign to that effect in a cow pasture, we could not reasonably connect the man's sign to the end-times event.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

Thank you for 'shooting down' your GB and showing how unreasonable they are.

I think it is out of fear of being disfellowshipped or worse, that JWs of any rank do not speak plainly about such rubbish, directly to the GB. But then it is probably not possible for a 'brave person' to even get close enough to tell them to their face. 

Respect is one thing, worship is another. But it's probably more like fear. 

You all think your organisation has God's name, but you all sit back and let the GB make a mockery of it. 

And now you will of course jump to their defence. But time and time again you bring out all the Bible Students / CCJW lies / mistakes / false claims. And yet you think poeple should trust this GB and its Org. 

As for TTH, well he's a writer and writers love fairy tales. 

[JW Insider]

15 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

And now you will of course jump to their defence.

People should be defended wherever possible. The motives can be quite pure and still mistakes are made. In fact, I would say that there are specific good motives that make certain kinds of mistakes even more likely. I'm pretty sure that's why we have extra warnings in the Bible about not being misled when it comes to speculation about the end-time events. Paul said not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us. Obviously, the end-time events get us all excited, and these are the most likely times and events that persons would be speculating upon.

[Matthew9969]

On 4/21/2020 at 9:35 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

To understand it correctly, you need to watch the following video.... from another generation.

 

I like the black and white version more.

[Matthew9969]

Maybe someone smarter than me could put together a power point presentation on how this topic evolved from a discussion about a ludicrus power point presentation on a attempt to disprove God, evolving to a discussion about the insane theory of the overlapping generations, to the validity of the governing bodies words, value and worth..