Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?

[Arauna]

6 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Apparently you cared .

There is a difference between caring and noting a phenomenon. In this case a welcomed phenomenon.

[TrueTomHarley]

12 minutes ago, Arauna said:

I call you out [Srecko] for your accusing tone...

Increasingly he says nasty and largely irrelevant things just for the sake of saying nasty and irrelevant things. 

He may go the way of Matthew 4 5784, who eventually dropped all pretense of being here to help, earned a rebuke or two, and left of his own volition, a New Year’s resolution—though he is back now sparingly, and may even have turned over a new leaf in some regards. 

[Witness]

8 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Their consciences were stolen because they had to obey the Leaders of the Org due to misuse of the Superior Authorities scripture.

Can anyone exercise their conscience without the ability to think independently?  

"But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us."  W 89 9/15/pp 20-25

[Witness]

 

Newspapers commonly advertise the JW Sunday meeting times and address in the church notice section. I have even seen the name of the talk to be given, on a particular Sunday.  The newspaper could only have gotten this information from the elders of the local kh.  When traveling through small towns many times I’ve seen the Jehovah’s Witnesses kingdom hall listed on a sign post, along with all other religions of the town.

Are JWs really “no part of the world” of religions?  Or, are those who have left the organization, no longer part of that  particular world? John 17:15,16  Jesus separated himself from the corruption of the religious system of his own people.  Is there corruption in the religious system of the WT?  What JW, in all honesty, could say no?

 

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/02/here-is-answer-to-question-regarding.html

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

23 minutes ago, Witness said:

Can anyone exercise their conscience without the ability to think independently?  

"But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us."  W 89 9/15/pp 20-25

What they are ACTUALLY saying is EXACTLY this:

".... The men taking the lead among us have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us."

WOW!

I guess that is why we were once taught that men having sex with men, or animals does not dissolve a marriage, and we are taught TODAY ... today,  that two Bethelites sitting naked in chairs, watching each other masturbate IS NOT pornea.

".... The men taking the lead among us have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us."

OF COURSE THEY DO!

The question that needs to be asked is this ....  how can people be dumber than rocks?

[Arauna]

32 minutes ago, Witness said:

independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and

If there ever was an independent thinker who likes to explore new ideas, I am one of them.  BUT - I do not teach bible students my own ideas and also not  in the congregation.  I will chat with others about it but not openly advocate my own teachings.

The reason being that if you really have christ in your heart you will not cause divisions in the congregation over non-essential things. 

The essential teachings such as the name jehovah, non-divinity of christ, mortality of the soul, kingdom of christ with earthly subjects... are absolutes ...that are not a matter of opinion. Other subjects are non-essential matters for debate because peoples egos are associated with them. .... as apostle Paul mentioned.  He said we must not be contentious and egotistical.

James 4:1

What is the source of the wars and fights among you? Do they not originate from your fleshly desires that carry on a conflict within you?

[Arauna]

34 minutes ago, Witness said:

Newspapers commonly advertise the JW Sunday

Americans do not make distinctions between local and national - so it seems.  Local newspapers,  federal news, or national or country-wide lists if religions are not the same thing.

This is why the reasoning is so skewed in USA.  If I advertise in a small local newspaper it is not the same as a federal or nationwide newspaper. 

[Arauna]

49 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

we are taught TODAY ... today, 

I have to see this in writing....with a date on it........ do you have proof?

[Srecko Sostar]

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

I have given bibles to people with a nice bible verse and my name...... so they can remember who gave it to them and the occasion.

It seems that any normal activity which normal people do, is singled out by you to become a kind of "evil" deed.  I call you out for your accusing tone..... and for constantly appointing yourself as judge. It seems you have never made a mistake in your life and afterward thought- I should not have done that.

A friend gave me my bible because I left behind some books in USA.  You say it is somehow wrong of her to have put her name and date in it? 

I suppose how private activity of giving gifts is "normal", with or without signature.

GB members representing Private Company, an Organization with millions of members. But most of all they said how they representing and mediating between JHVH, Jesus and JW members.  In this aspect, all their activity is not just "normal activity", because they working on behalf of WTJWorg, and all their decisions and behavior, private and public, have to be looked through another glasses. 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

If there ever was an independent thinker who likes to explore new ideas, I am one of them.

 

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

BUT - I do not teach bible students my own ideas and also not  in the congregation.

 

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

I will chat with others about it but not openly advocate my own teachings.

 

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

The reason being that if you really have christ in your heart you will not cause divisions in the congregation over non-essential things. 

Humans, not only You, but every of us, many times contradicting to themselves.

If you want to be submissive to your leaders, than there is no place for "exploring new ideas", because you have to wait for new ideas coming from GB and Helpers.

What you teach is not your ideas, but GB ideas.

If you "chat" about "improper ideas" with others you are walking "around the edge", according to JW publications.

"Causing division" is something normal according to Jesus, because he told how His teaching will cause family members to be apart, to renounce and to hate, according to Matt 10 and Luke 14.    

[Arauna]

57 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

submissive to your leaders, than there is no place for "exploring new ideas",

That is your interpretation of submissiveness which is wrong. As I said before - you have imperfect ideas about authority. 

I do not think like my husband in all things but I am willingly submissive because a peaceful house and cooperation is more important than my independence. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

we are taught TODAY ... today, 

I have to see this in writing....with a date on it........ do you have proof?

By "today", I mean in the last two or three years ...and of COURSE I have proof.

This is a clip of the infamous, globally distributed "pillowgate videos", put out by two "Helpers" of the Governing Body, and  were premiered about January 2018.   The previous references can be looked up in the Watchtowers of yesteryear, if memory serves, from the early 60's.

 

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