Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?

[Arauna]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

because they working on behalf of WTJWorg, and all thei

Yes, they realized this. That is why they are no longer doing this....... but detractors like you jump on the past to find things to critisize..... your MO does not change ...... fortunately they learn from the past and their's does...... 

[Arauna]

3 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

yesteryear, if memory serves, from the early 60's.

I thought as much.... ..... in the 60s was the first time the public had a sex revolution...... people did not discuss these things in private let alone publicly.  I have gone into the history of sex awareness and publication of these type of articles.... before 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Be a sport ... LOOK IT UP!

[Arauna]

4 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Be a sport ...

So give me a list of situations YOU  think is unacceptable sexual behaviours -  I want to see where YOU will draw the line?  I also want you to give me a list of the offences (such as masterbation) and the 'punishment" you think it deserves.

I would gladly welcome YOUR opinion..... because I want to check your tremendous  insight and wisdom. 

I have learnt in life it is easy to judge others when you do not have good ideas yourself. You may judge other people too harshly. ...or too leniently...... so give me a decent sample of your wisdom...... ( no cartoons or jokes required).

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@James Thomas Rook Jr. quote " The question that needs to be asked is this ....  how can people be dumber than rocks? "

I would have thought that the question that needs to be asked is - ---  

How can anyone that has a bible trained conscience be part of this immoral, dishonest, and basically clueless CCJW Organisation ? 

As for Arauna, she seems to want to delve into sexual immorality. Whereas in scripture it just says this :-

Acts 15 v 28 & 29

 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: ²⁹  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.i If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

Unless Arauna can show us where in scripture it breaks it down into specific acts. 

A Bible based conscience will know right from wrong. 

I think the GB were just perverted in their thoughts and suggestions. 

However I think James has made it quite clear that the GB does take over people's consciences and people's thinking ability. The conscience is like a muscle in your body. If the muscle is not used it weakens and becomes useless. So it is with your conscience, if it is not used regularly it stops working. This seems to be what happens with Elders and may congregants. They follow the GB's 'rules of men', they become 'robots', they lose their conscience because they no longer need it, because they just follow rules without questioning them.  

Arauna made a point about having independent thoughts but basically keeping those thoughts to ones self. 

James mentioned somewhere about people not being BRAVE enough to question the GB's interpretations.

IMO, the idea of personal study through prayer is to gain truth and spiritual wisdom. Why then would a person want to suppress spiritual wisdom and truth gained through prayer and personal study ? Especially when wrong could be made right in an important way. 

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

As I said before - you have imperfect ideas about authority. 

... i agree completely :)) ... my ideas are imperfect !

[Witness]

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

Yes, they realized this. That is why they are no longer doing this

 

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

I thought as much.... ..... in the 60s was the first time the public had a sex revolution...... people did not discuss these things in private let alone publicly.

Always excuses.

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

The reason being that if you really have christ in your heart you will not cause divisions in the congregation over non-essential things. 

Truth is not a revolving door.  If an anointed remains "in Christ" that one's teachings would be be proven as firm, - reliable, over the years.  John 15:16

 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me."  John 15:1-4

If the fruit taught in the 60's, can be rejected today, then it was never sourced in Christ. If the fruit taught today is proven bogus, God expects us to reject it.  If we love our neighbor, we would not remain silent but speak up for righteousness.  We are told to examine the fruit and reject what is "bad".    Matt 7:15-20

Both Jesus and the apostles taught that there would most certainly be "divisions" in the congregations, based on teachings.  John 15:18-25  Interestingly, those who obey the words of Christ in John 15, and reject falsehoods, are "hated without reason" by their people.  

We embrace Christ's direction, not the wayward direction of uninspired men.   

 

"I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."  Rom 16:17-18

 

5 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

How can anyone that has a bible trained conscience be part of this immoral, dishonest, and basically clueless CCJW Organisation ? 

 

 

[Arauna]

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Arauna can show us where in scripture

It just uses the word  porneia..... and I would like to know what your punishment for it is.... and what porneia includes..... I see you all are afraid to stick your necks out because it is is not as easy at it looks.  It is easy to judge in generalities but when the responsibility becomes yours..... to judge and issue the punishment then it is a bit more difficult.

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Since I do not represent myself as a spokesman for God, it is immaterial what I 'would do, could do' should do" in regulating and PUNISHING people for what they do or do not do.

But I do know that it is creepy, perverted, overreaching, and DESTRUCTIVE on a very large scale for ANYONE to tell a Sister whose husband is having sex with men, or animals, that she is scripturally NOT free to divorce, and get OUT of that hell-hole,, or the same sort of overreaching IS STILL done today  in the infamous, creepy and perverted "pillowgate videos" ... a continuous 30 minute stream of complete nonsense regulating things about which Jehovah God has NOT EXPRESSED ANY OPINION ABOUT WHATSOEVER, only in the imaginations of the wrapped-too-tight delusional who are grasping at straws, and making up applications to scripture to suit their own cultural taboos.

If nothing else .. it is just plain, ordinary common sense, which the Society seems to have ZERO.

The specificity ... THE SPECIFICITY ... of those videos is absolute confirmation to me that there are serious, DANGEROUS things going on at Bethel, and with the Society's completely clueless and pharisaic leadership.

But, the way I look at it, it is no different than being in the Marines, when the Officer Corps goes off the deep end ..... in the Marines, and among Jehovah's Witnesses, we just have to endure the injustices ... as fidelity to God and Christ ... and we have a conscience that tells us what that entails ....

...and plain old everyday common sense, which apparently, is not all that common.

The Marines have the UCMJ, and we have the Bible.

Semper Fi.

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@Arauna Like you say it just uses the word porneia 

Quote " and I would like to know what your punishment for it is.... and what porneia includes. "

For my part I wouldn't want to go beyond the things written, and I don't pretend to be inspired by God's Holy Spirit. So I cannot answer your two questions.

But it is your GB and their 'helpers' that have gone beyond the things written, because they admit to not being inspired by God, yet they still pretend to know the answers to your questions. And by their own mouths and written word they prove themselves to be so wrong. 

 

[Matthew9969]

I noticed a lot of other religions were not mentioned either, so your not the only ones not mentioned. But I'm afraid your trying to cry PERSECUTION because if you do a search, this is what comes up.....https://religionnews.com/?s=Jehovahs+Witnesses

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

and get OUT of that hell-hole

Scripturally, she could get out. Separation is always possible. But she was not free to remarry. So this often became a matter of not being able to get out of a marriage, economically.