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[Srecko Sostar]

4 minutes ago, Emma Rose said:

Ok, do JW's consider you an apostate?

1. To Society Watch Tower, Watchtower and corporations

2. To Jehovah's Witnesses and all assemblies

3. To all whom this concern

 

Declaration on termination of membership to a religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses

 

I was baptized in 1977 at the age of 17, then a minor. But, in good faith I answered the following two questions just before baptism, which is symbolized my dedication to God in terms of the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses religion.

At that time (before the change of June 1 1985) questions have read as follows;

1. Have you repented of your sins and converted, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?

2. On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

 

Since I have over decades closely followed the changes in various aspects of activity of this religion, I noticed some frequent collisions (1 John 4:1; 1 Th 5:21). It is visible in: a) the content of the various interpretations; b) in the theory and practice of action in everyday life issues. Overview of many historical aspects of the spiritual heritage, which the organization has, since its inception in the 19th century, left to its members-followers, and wants to cover it up, revise and incorrect display, is astounding. Who wants to drink a water from a cup in which there is a single drop of dangerous substances?

The purpose of my statement is not to explain doctrine and practices of society and the board of directors, who are disturbed my conscience and reasoning within the love, faith, knowledge and understanding that I feel and I have to God and Jesus Christ and to the people, so I will taxatively single out only a few of them (Rom 14:4). These are obvious example, on the one hand, theological acrobatics from the main church body of Jehovah's Witnesses, and on the other hand, their dishonesty and practice in which one they are learns, and other they are works;

1) Confusing conceptions about their own identity (Who shared spiritual food? One servant, all 144 000, a composite body or the governing body ...,)

2) Pragmatism in changing dogmatic interpretations before the change was "firmly biblical established", such as a series of explanations about the "generation" ...,

3) Speculation about the meaning of biblical statements and how they should be understood. More than once the revised interpretation were in style of YES-NO-YES-NO; then this year's "changed approach to the interpretation of reports from the Word of God" ...,

4) Switching of responsibility from the governing body and their representatives on the ordinary believers in respect of the decisions and attitudes that members should be carried out, when it becomes apparent that they were endangered spiritually, mentally and literally health of fellow believers (eg, multiple expectations of Armageddon, Malawi and Mexico of the 1970's, questions about blood, juvenile members / Bulgaria /, neutrality ...,)

5) Co-operation and association with political organizations such as the UN and the OSCE.

6) Increasingly open calls for financial donations and contributions to the funds of the corporation.

7) Careless and unkind treatment of victims of pedophilia within the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses

 

Regardless of how, as collective or personal, members of the Jehovah's Witnesses will treat me after this letter of resignation, considering the worldwide-known practice of ignoring and avoiding (shunning) that Jehovah's Witnesses apply to all who are outside of their religion ("worldly" people, dissociated and disfellowshipped) - I with fully conscious and reason declare still this; My relationship with the people / persons in the Jehovah's Witness religion and those who are not, is based on the words of Jesus; "Love your neighbor as yourself"; "Love those who hate you"; "Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them."

 

I expecting from you, that any kind of information which is stored anywhere, in connection with me and has my full name, such as personal files, or any other files you immediately destroy!

 

 

Zagreb, July 27/2015 Srećko Šoštar -------------

Verified by notary public

 

How do you feel what JW's think about me after reading this? :))

[Emma Rose]

25 minutes ago, Witness said:

"Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

²³ But detecting their craftiness, He said to them, ²⁴ “Show Me a denarius. Whose image and inscription does it have?”

“Caesar’s,” they said.

²⁵ “Well then,” He told them, “give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s.”   Luke 20:22-25

 

Did Jesus say, take half of that coin and give it to God? No. It had Caesar’s name on it, not God’s.   Shouldn’t this tell us that money is not needed to worship God “in spirit and truth”? (John 4:23,24)  Any money that Jesus and the disciples had, was given to those in need – the poor.  Can your organization let go of all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21; Luke 12:33)  After Jesus left the earth, the congregations shared everything, they supported one another.  This is our template to go by.  If you had read the post link, you may have understood.  

 We convince ourselves that we need money for religious purposes, when we are told and believe leaders of a religious organization cannot feed us spiritual food without it. They cannot spread their version of “truth”.  (Matt 23:15)  “There is more money going out, than coming in”, GB Stephen Lett stated. This is manipulation, and we know it worked. People were changing their meager budgets to give to men who were already money-rich. All involved at the top, have this insatiable drive to build and expand on, their fleshly desires. (Matt 19:21-24)   They are now selling kingdom halls to free up money for larger projects.  The development of the organization is the same development as all other religious organizations. So, what sets your religions apart?  Nothing, really; expect the anointed trapped within. (Rev 20:7-9)  It tell lies also, just as other religious do.  Money is required to keep religious leadership’s power and authority stable over the “flock”; no matter if it is the Catholic church, or the Mormon church, or the Wt. organization.  The end result, is power to manipulate another person’s spiritual well-being.  The organization has always thrown up the example of the Catholic church in the faces of its members, expounding on its riches.  Well, when it comes to its own riches, they are dead quiet about it.  There is no transparency at the top.

What is the distinction between pure worship and false worship?  Pure worship does not require money. The Temple of God, the dwelling of His Spirit, does not need riches to promote “spirit and truth”.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  It does not need a physical, literal mountain to worship at.  That was Jesus’ point when talking to woman at the well.  A literal mountain is seen from a distance.  Wt has built many of them, for the world to see, with riches procured from those who have fallen for their deception. (Matt 24:24; 2 Pet 1:16; 2:2) And the organization glorifies its works that they have ‘collected’ in these endeavors. (Luke 4:5-7)  Wouldn’t you agree that other religions have been successful at that also?   Jesus was saying that building organized mountains, are not the way to worship God. 

 Truth in Christ is light, that radiates outwardly from within. (Luke 6:45)  He told those whom HE would send, that they would be a lamp shining in a dark place, just as he was the light of the world. (Matt 5:14-16; John 1:4,5; 13:20) As the source of living water, his words were enough for us to recognize truth and he did not charge money to receive it.  He didn’t ask for donations. If your leaders were truly part of the vine of Christ, they would not expect you to give money for it either.   (John 15:1-6; 7:38)  Riches are not necessary to produce his truth.   

 Can your organization sell all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21)   It has become “treasure” for all who are part of it.  It is their desire of the eyes, so much so, that thousands travel many miles to flock to its ornate buildings.

You had a source of spiritual riches when knowing the two anointed ones you spoke about.  Sadly, they most likely didn’t understand the light of truth was in themselves, since they bought their spiritual provision from a false prophet. (Matt 25:1-13;;Rev 13:11,12,15-17)  They were captivated by “empty philosophy” just as you are.  (Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16)  God’s Spirit dwelled within their heart – the spirit of truth, and His laws were written within it.  (Rom 5:5; 1 John 2:27; Heb 10:16)  Instead, they submitted to the corrupt rulership of an organization built with literal riches.  In your organization, the “living stones” of the Temple are not allowed to shed their “light” God gave them in Spirit, since it would conflict with the false light from your evil slave. (Rev 8:10,11)  Each anointed one, is a “teacher” of the law fulfilled in Christ.  Yet, those who are subservient to an evil slave are restricted from teaching Christ’s truths.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)

 “Don’t collect for yourselves treasures (“or valuables”) on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. ²⁰ But collect for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves don’t break in and steal. ²¹ For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21

Does your organization adhere to this teaching of Jesus? Or, does it tell only its members not to do this?

I speak of both the Father and the Son.  I listen to the words of Christ, as the Father told us to. (Matt 17:5)

Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would ask him, and he would give you living water.”  John 4:10

John 7:37,38 - On the last and most important day of the festival, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, he should come to me and drink! ³⁸ The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.” 

“Come, everyone who is thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you without money,
come, buy, and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost!
² Why do you spend money on what is not food,
and your wages on what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
and you will enjoy the choicest of foods.
³ Pay attention and come to Me;
listen, so that you will live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
the promises assured to David.
⁴ Since I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a leader and commander for the peoples,
⁵ so you will summon a nation you do not know,
and nations who do not know you will run to you.
For the Lord your God,
even the Holy One of Israel,
has glorified you.”  Isa 55:1-5

 

 

 

 

 

"...detecting their craftiness..."  They were trying to put him on the spot about taxes.  Romans 13:1-8, particularly note verses 6 and 7: "That is why you are also paying taxes...render to all their dues, to the one who calls for tax, the tax;..."  

2 Cor 8:14 is speaking of contributions made so that those with more could equalize with those that had less...that calls for contributions, which is how we arrive here, our contributions are used to offset the needs of those that have less.  I am more than happy to contribute donations for my brothers and sisters that may have needs that I don't.

Jesus said the widow that dropped two small coins in, dropped in more than all the rest that dropped in out of their surplus, but she dropped in all she had, ergo, there were contributions being made, always have been. Mark 12:43

Hahaha...our buildings are not ornate, hahaha...thank you for that chuckle, they are clean, well kept and free of idols.

I have to tell you, I am not manipulated by anyone to part with my cash.  

Again, the scriptures are replete with examples of donations given to further the worship of God.  I can get into that if you like but I feel sure you already know.

[Emma Rose]

That narrows it down to 'Witness', are you considered an apostate by JW's?

[Witness]

9 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

"...detecting their craftiness..."  They were trying to put him on the spot about taxes.  Romans 13:1-8, particularly note verses 6 and 7: "That is why you are also paying taxes...render to all their dues, to the one who calls for tax, the tax;..."  

I’m not saying that we are not responsible for paying our taxes.  (By the way, “Jehovah’s organization” has found a way to avoid paying taxes)  Jesus was speaking of our need to separate riches of this world with spiritual riches that he offered in his teachings. Those are the important treasures, which we are to build upon. I am saying that Jesus was preaching new wine, to be put in new wine skins. (Col 2:2; Matt 9:17)  But, the Wt. has proven that they prefer "old wine", where they can build their kingdom in this world ruled by Satan.  (Luke 5:39; 4:5-7)

9 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

2 Cor 8:14 is speaking of contributions made so that those with more could equalize with those that had less...that calls for contributions, which is how we arrive here, our contributions are used to offset the needs of those that have less.  I am more than happy to contribute donations for my brothers and sisters that may have needs that I don't.

“It is not that there may be relief for others and hardship for you, but it is a question of equality”  2 Cor 8:13

You are telling me that your GB practice financial equality among JWs. That they ensure their abundance is distributed to every JW?   Not possible, is it.  They wouldn't allow it, would they.  

9 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

Hahaha...our buildings are not ornate, hahaha...thank you for that chuckle, they are clean, well kept and free of idols.

Your kingdom halls may be built as grass huts or with chandeliers hanging in their foyers as I have seen, according to the financial ability of the congregation.  Conveniently, all are now owned by the organization; a very prosperous move by your GB.  What your leadership does for its offices and assembly gathering places, are far from modest. I'm sure a tour of Bethel will open your eyes...or not.  

 

9 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

they are clean, well kept and free of idols.

What's more important, how clean your buildings are, or how truthful your teachings are; today, yesterday and decades in the past? Jesus said, those whom he sends must produce "fruit that lasts" - it stays, never to rot, never to be tossed away.  Do you understand this?  It is another teaching of Jesus, that your GB don't seem to recognize.  (Matt 23:25-28; John 15:16)  Because your leadership has built its own "temple"/organization, and has rejected God's authentic "house of prayer" built with "living stones", your entire organization is an idol, prophesied to "make war" with the "saints".     (Rev 13:4,7,8)

You asked what my "story" is.  My testimony about the Temple “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) the blasphemy and falsehoods of the organization, (2 Thess 2,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2)  and its wicked slave (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12), is why the organization considers me an apostate.  It has nothing to do with sinning against the Father or Jesus Christ; but everything to do with exposing Wt’s lies, which is the location of the "man of lawlessness" that "sits"/rules/stands where it does not belong...in God's Temple.  (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3,7)

So, if knowing that I am an apostate on those grounds, causes you to make your decision to "shun" either I or @Srecko Sostar for his reasons, what a shallow and weak decision it is.  We either love the light of truth in Christ and keep seeking it, or we gravitate to darkness, where lies about the Father, the Son, and His dwelling in Spirit, are told. (John 3:19; 2 Thess 2:9-12)

https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

[Anna]

8 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

Okay, this is an open forum.  Is there anyone out there who genuinely would like to know about Jehovah or has questions about the Bible...

Emma, there aren't many people on this forum that actually comment or even read anything. It's just a handful. There are two sides, the ex-JWs, and the JWs like Tom, JWI, me and a few others. This is not a forum where interested ones (people who want Bible studies) hang out. The JWs who are here have their various reasons for being here.

For me, it's good training ground. I get to learn about various controversial topics that are not really discussed anywhere else except maybe on apostate sites. This is not an apostate site, but some with controversial ideas are allowed to comment here, and this makes for interesting discussions....sometimes. In any case, it helps me to sharpen my faith. That's just how I feel about it. Tom and the others have their own reasons too, and may be different from mine.

So if you are looking to find someone who has genuine questions, well, as far as I know, there are non here at the moment. But, whoever ventures here can follow the conversations and comments, and see how we, the JWs respond to them. And they can make their mind up about what makes sense. So in a way you are giving a "witness" of some sort by commenting....

 

[Emma Rose]

 A hat trick no less 😄

 

[Emma Rose]

2 hours ago, Anna said:

Emma, there aren't many people on this forum that actually comment or even read anything. It's just a handful. There are two sides, the ex-JWs, and the JWs like Tom, JWI, me and a few others. This is not a forum where interested ones (people who want Bible studies) hang out. The JWs who are here have their various reasons for being here.

For me, it's good training ground. I get to learn about various controversial topics that are not really discussed anywhere else except maybe on apostate sites. This is not an apostate site, but some with controversial ideas are allowed to comment here, and this makes for interesting discussions....sometimes. In any case, it helps me to sharpen my faith. That's just how I feel about it. Tom and the others have their own reasons too, and may be different from mine.

So if you are looking to find someone who has genuine questions, well, as far as I know, there are non here at the moment. But, whoever ventures here can follow the conversations and comments, and see how we, the JWs respond to them. And they can make their mind up about what makes sense. So in a way you are giving a "witness" of some sort by commenting....

 

Well it's open for business now 😉

 

[Anna]

8 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

Thought of the day:

Jehovah is God's name.  It was originally in the Bible in over 7,000 places but has been removed by various bodies due to superstition etc.  Micah 4:5 For all the people will walk, each in the name of it's god, But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever.

Excellent topic. But can I suggest, if you want to start another discussion, for example on the above subject, then go to the top of the page, and depending on what device you are using, click on "new topic" (on the computer) or the "plus sign" (on Android phones) and start a new topic that way. If people follow you (I do) they will see it. Or, you can search relevant words, and see if there is a topic already on this subject and then add your comment to it. This will resurrect the thread again and people will respond to what you post. And, if you want to direct those who have been commenting on this topic here, you can insert the link here to the topic there. 👍

[TrueTomHarley]

6 minutes ago, Anna said:

Excellent topic. But can I suggest, if you want to start another discussion

I suspect that she knows what she is doing, even if I don’t.

[Emma Rose]

46 minutes ago, Anna said:

Excellent topic. But can I suggest, if you want to start another discussion, for example on the above subject, then go to the top of the page, and depending on what device you are using, click on "new topic" (on the computer) or the "plus sign" (on Android phones) and start a new topic that way. If people follow you (I do) they will see it. Or, you can search relevant words, and see if there is a topic already on this subject and then add your comment to it. This will resurrect the thread again and people will respond to what you post. And, if you want to direct those who have been commenting on this topic here, you can insert the link here to the topic there. 👍

Excellent advice, thank you.  Complete newbie here 👍

[Emma Rose]

40 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I suspect that she knows what she is doing, even if I don’t.

You'll get there Tom  

[TrueTomHarley]

20 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

You'll get there Tom  

Ha. I’ll get there in knowing what she is doing?

Or I’ll get there in knowing what I am doing?

Either one works.