Banned Religious Groups’ Members ‘Transformed’ in Xinjiang Camps

[Isabella]

Followers of The Church of Almighty God, Falun Gong, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are kept in camps until they renounce their faith and betray fellow believers.

by Chang Xin

A transformation through education camp in Xinjiang’s Yining county.

According to a document issued in 2018 by the government of a locality in Xinjiang, members of three banned religious groups—The Church of Almighty God (CAG), Falun Gong, and Jehovah’s Witnesses—must be sent to transformation through education camps and kept indefinitely until they have been “transformed,” i.e., become atheist. Their release depends on whether they have implemented five musts. These are a written pledge to stop attending religious activities; relinquishment of all religious materials in their possession; public criticism of one’s faith, promising to break up with it; disclosure of information about fellow believers and group’s/church’s affairs; and aiding the government in transforming other believers.

Bitter Winter has reported extensively about members of banned religious groups in China, who are brutally suppressed for their rapid growth and refusal to be controlled by the state,   being detained in transformation through education camps. They are indoctrinated and tortured, along with Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities.

As per the document, these religious believers can be sent to transformation through education camps merely for attending religious activities, possessing religious materials, or refusing to renounce their faith after being arrested.

https://bitterwinter.org/banned-religious-groups-members-transformed-in-xinjiang-camps/

[Arauna]

I knew it would soon leak out that JWs are amongst them.  The world has not yet 'named' us as persecuted although other leaked stories indicate "conscientious objectors". 

China and other totalitarian states are part of the King of the North.... Daniel 11: 36 to the end of chapter. 

There is an economic pushing going on for the wealth of the earth and the opposition to Jehovah's people is unspeakably fierce.

The catholic church in China have removed all icons in the churches and a arge picture of the CCP leader and two other members are worshipped.  The Pope is at present renegotiating the contract with the leadership of CCP.  CCP appoints all bishops and knows all members ....... this is how CCP can suddenly clamp down.  They have rewritten the Catholic bible to take out anything offensive which does not promote worship of the state. 

Bizarre compromise from the catholic church ....... but what does one expect from one of the "man of lawlessness?"  Recently the Pope had sharmins (spiritistic native Amazonian Indians) dancing around their idols at the Vatican which was a huge UN  Amazon nature celebration.  The Pope is leading the implementation of the UN's sustainable development program called Agenda 2030. He is also leading the Abrahamic covenant or agreement which will soon be signed by 3 major religions (riding the beast?")  In the agreement of peace the 3 abrahamic religions acknowledge that there is only one God. (There is no mention of Christ as the one who gave the ransom. He is not mentioned but omitted......because the other two faith are anti.... our redeemer.

We will soon see how events pan out.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@Arauna If you are referring to the One World Religion, this was big news years ago but seemed to die out.  I don't keep up with such things but at one time it was top news so couldn't be missed.  I think it was about Jews, Muslims and 'Christians' all becoming one religion, is that right ? 

[JW Insider]

On 10/13/2020 at 1:49 AM, Arauna said:

Bizarre compromise from the catholic church ....... but what does one expect from one of the "man of lawlessness?"  Recently the Pope had sharmins (spiritistic native Amazonian Indians) dancing around their idols at the Vatican

https://apnews.com/article/c7a9a84f0d24444492eb0922b5349b6f

This was big scandalous news, especially among Catholic conservatives, but barely had time to get noticed before the pandemic drowned out the discussion. To touch on the original topic, native religions in Brazil have historically been persecuted with adherents being killed, massacred, and tortured.  That war between Western religion and Brazil's religions was won long ago, although the Catholic church had already found ways to compromise by allowing "folk" religion to continue to live alongside Catholicism, even among Catholic converts. Today the issue is more about civil rights for Brazil's indigenous people as they are driven from their homelands and "persecuted" for the sake of taking the timber and other resources.

The Vatican synod with the Brazilian bishops (which included presentations of native dances and even the presentation of "fertility objects") was held in October 2019. Immediately after that (also October 2019) was an interesting OCHR (Oxford Consortium on Human Rights) https://www.oxfordconsortium.org/workshop-descriptions/brazil-2019 discussing the way in which indigenous people, especially, were treated by police and national forces.

For indigenous "Amazonians" it was once Western-style religion at the point of a gun. Now it's Western-style economic [unsustainable] development at the point of a gun.

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I'm highlighting some interesting points from the Vatican article linked above:

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis’ controversial meeting on the Amazon took a criminal twist Monday after thieves stole indigenous fertility statues from a Vatican-area church and tossed them into the Tiber River.

Video of the pre-dawn theft from the Santa Maria in Traspontina church was shared and celebrated on conservative social media. The Vatican’s communications czar, Paolo Ruffini, termed it a “stunt” that violated the idea of dialogue.

Even before the three-week Amazon synod opened on Oct. 6, conservative and traditionalist Catholics had blasted its agenda as a heretical celebration of paganism, given its deference to indigenous cultures and spirituality.

Their criticism reached a fever pitch at the synod opening, when Francis presided over a prayer service in the Vatican gardens featuring the statues of naked pregnant women that were presented to the pope. Conservatives said the “Pachamama” statutes were pagan idols; the Vatican said they were symbols of life and fertility.

The statues were then placed in a side chapel of the Traspontina church, which is located just steps from St. Peter’s Square and has been the headquarters of the indigenous celebrations organized alongside the synod.

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Francis called the meeting of Amazonian bishops to propose ways to better care for the Amazon and minister to its indigenous peoples, who face poverty, exploitation and the destruction of their homes by unregulated logging and mining.

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[Anna]

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Conservatives said the “Pachamama” statutes were pagan idols; the Vatican said they were symbols of life and fertility.

I used to wonder about Catholic churches being filled with statues and people praying to them. Surely they were aware that idolatry was wrong. So I questioned this and found out that apparently the Catholics do not view their statues as idols, but merely as symbols or reminders of past saints etc. 

The Catholic reasoning is that:

"An image is not an idol unless two things are present… (1)The image, must represent a false god. (2) The image, must be worshiped.

Then what about bowing down and praying in front of a statues of Mary, for example. Is that worship?

According to Catholic reasoning no, it's not because: There are two Biblical requirements of worship (1) full submission, and (2) sacrifice. 

This occurs at Holy Mass when: "This is where we Catholics fully submit ourselves to Yahweh (The Holy Trinity), and offer up the sacrifice of the Eucharist".

Bowing down is an act of respect, and prayer is supplication, not worship.. 

This would all be OK, however, in the case of the Pachamama, the Pope, by calling the statue merely a symbol of something, is watering down his own Catholic principles, because the Pachamama already fulfills the first criteria for an idol in that the statue represents a fertility godess.....not only that, but the rituals that honor Pachamama also involve "sacrifice" where grain and other produce is offered and "The final step of the ceremony is the burning of the offerings so that they can return to their origins, rising into the sky while the remaining ashes are buried in the earth to complete the cycle".

Interesting observation from Wikipedia: After the Spanish colonization of the Americas, they forced conversion to Roman Catholicism. As it is a syncretic religion, the figure of the Virgin Mary was associated with that of the Pachamama for many of the indigenous people.

[JW Insider]

4 hours ago, Anna said:

As it is a syncretic religion, the figure of the Virgin Mary was associated with that of the Pachamama for many of the indigenous people.

So true in many countries. That's part of what I meant when I said that ...

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

the Catholic church had already found ways to compromise by allowing "folk" religion to continue to live alongside Catholicism, even among Catholic converts.

It seems they've found weasel-words to show that something might look like idolatry but it technically does not fall under their definition of idolatry. This is so different from the words the Bible uses such as "abstain" from idolatry, or "flee" from idolatry, or "guard yourselves" from idols. There's no room left for staying that close to idolatry but using technical definitions to claim it's not.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

Um idolatry. Worshipping the GB by believing every word they say or write, and by believing they are the F&DS.

Idolatry.  Worshipping the CCJW organisation by believing and teaching others that one 'has to be a baptised JW to be saved' 

Idolatry. Believing books and magazines written by the GB and their helpers, instead of believing God's written word.

Indeed JWs are guilty of idolatry and have been since the Bible Student era. 

JWs have believed so many lies and false predictions and still do. 

[Witness]

Not all idolatry can be recognized through a tangible image, such as praying or worshiping before a statue. 

The Wt clarifies:

#1 - “As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization. (1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21)”   Wt 90/11/1/26

The nation of Israel was just as prone to idolatry as the Catholic church is today.   While the Catholic Church has its obvious sources of idolatry, as in God's early nation,  how would Satan deceive his “saints”, into a “modern version” of idolatry?  JWs admit they have many of the same problems as other organizations, such as child abuse; yet they believe they are pure when it comes to idol worship.   How can the straw be extracted from the eye of others, without first the Wt org. extracting the rafter in its own eye and the eye of all who are part of it. 

How do the anointed fall into idolatry in the last days?

This is how:

#2 - "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."  Kingdom Ministry 11/1990 p. 1  “Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization”

This statement is so foreign to me now.  We should be directing people to the Father and the Son, NOT to an earthly organization. I don’t know of any other religious organization that projects the image that it is “spirit-directed”, and proclaims to be the source of salvation.  I do not know of any other organization where the authentic anointed “saints” are found; and who have ‘identified’/dedicated themselves with it.  It is a modern-day version of idolatry, just as the first quote states.

The checkpoint to perceive if this organization is an idol that has settled into one’s heart and mind, would be to ask oneself if leaving this organization and serving God, “whole-souled”, is possible.  (Deut 6:5; Mark 12:30)  Well, it isn’t possible for those fully dedicated to the organization. There is no way to tear them from their idol, no matter what they may suffer for being part of it.  (Isa 48:18; Rev 16:2)  They believe that by leaving the Wt, they have left God.   God, the GB/”head”, the organization, its elder body, are as one; a full contradiction to the oneness of the Father, Jesus Christ head of the anointed Body, and His dwelling in the anointed “living stones” of His Temple.  (John 17:22; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Cor 12:13,20,25)

In Revelation, the same Beast that “makes war” with the saints, requires an identifying “mark”.  If anyone rejects this identification, they are spiritually, symbolically, “killed”.  (Rev 13:5-7,15)

Since this organization touts it is the path of salvation, it has convinced its people to ask, where else would one go to receive everlasting life? (John 6:68)  They reason, if it is God’s organization, what other entity is there in the world, that can defeat it? 

Isn’t that what you believe will happen in your Armageddon? That this organization is the only entity to escape a bloody onslaught destined to come upon the rest of the world?

The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast. ⁴ They worshiped the dragon because he gave authority to the beast. And they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to wage war against it?”  Rev 13:3b,4

Rev 13:15a - It was permitted to give breath^[l] (“or a spirit or life”)to the image of the beast…

This is a counterfeit fulfillment to Jesus “breathing” spirit into the foundation stones of the spiritual Temple of God.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)

Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, I also send you.” ²² After saying this, he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. ²³ If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”  John 20:21-23

Who is it in the organization that has been directed to forgive sins?  It is the elder body, a counterfeit “body” of priests not anointed.   They have seized this authority of the “living stones” of God’s Temple.  Are not the elders deemed as having Holy Spirit?  They are the stones that have built your idol – your temple. 

…so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.”  Rev 13:15b

The Beast kills the “two witnesses” sent by Christ for rejecting its identifying mark and for their testimony of Jesus Christ.  (Rev 11:1-3,7)  Now, we know this honestly did not have its fulfillment in Rutherford’s escapade of jail time.  That ploy of Satan’s, would be the counterfeit fulfillment happening today.  Anointed and all today, who, by their testimony of Christ, and reject the organization’s “mark”, are disfellowshipped.  (Luke 9:24; 17:33; Rev 11:7; 12:10-12)

^16 “And it makes everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, ¹⁷ so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast’s name or the number of its name.

Spiritual food, the buying and selling of it, is only possible if one is a JW dedicated to the organization; It can only be bought from the “slave” – a wicked one.  (Matt 24:48-51)

¹⁸ This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculatethe number of the beast, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666.”

666 – the “man of lawlessness” who sits in the Temple of God, exalted over the anointed priesthood and who has been given the authority to forgive sins, and the authority to “kill” God’s “living stones”.  (Matt 24:14;Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)

A spirit-directed idol requires a mark that signifies who belong to it.  God requires a mark also, outlined in Deut 11:18-23

“Imprint these words of mine on your hearts and minds, bind them as a sign on your hands, and let them be a symbol on your foreheads. ¹⁹ Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. ²⁰ Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your city gates, ²¹ so that as long as the heavens are above the earth, your days and those of your children may be many in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors. ²² For if you carefully observe every one of these commands I am giving you to follow—to love the Lord your God, walk in all his ways, and remain faithful to him— ²³ the Lord will drive out all these nations before you, and you will drive out nations greater and stronger than you are.

Ask yourselves, JWs, can you dedicate yourself to the heavenly Father AND to an earthly organization in Satan’s world? (Isa 40:25; Matt 6:24)

Can you accept decrees made by men AND also accept the established decrees set by Christ and the apostles? (Matt 15:9; 1 John 4:8;2 John 1:9-11; Titus 1:9; 2 Tim 4:3; Col 2:8)

 The two contradictory quotes from the Watchtower above, should show that they are not sourced in Jesus Christ. He would not confuse his servants by saying one thing, and insisting on them observing an opposite teaching.  No, it would be the same spirit from the same father that the Pharisees were led by. (Isa 5:20; John 8:44)  The same spirit that “floods” the anointed, with lies.  (Luke 17:27; Rev 12:15; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)

 

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/05/he-who-seeks-to-save-his-life-will-lose.html

 

 

 

[Arauna]

The Pope is spearheading "sustainable development" which is part of agenda 2030 of the UN.  All these celebrations are to further native culture and sustainable development.

The Pope is also spearheading the Abrahamic covenant.... also promoting the plans of the UN (riding of the beast?)

[Matthew9969]

On 10/14/2020 at 2:58 PM, 4Jah2me said:

Um idolatry. Worshipping the GB by believing every word they say or write, and by believing they are the F&DS.

Idolatry.  Worshipping the CCJW organisation by believing and teaching others that one 'has to be a baptised JW to be saved' 

Idolatry. Believing books and magazines written by the GB and their helpers, instead of believing God's written word.

Indeed JWs are guilty of idolatry and have been since the Bible Student era. 

JWs have believed so many lies and false predictions and still do. 

Don't forget the biggest example....if you leave the governing body, you are leaving Jehovah.