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James 1:13 "When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God."  For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone." It is a 'sign' of the last days.

I was asked this question in a PM. She referred to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (one being Jesus Christ on a White horse) and the following screenshot

You well know that Jehovah did not send the horsemen.  That is like saying Jehovah started the World Wars and other recent disturbances.  Forgot the scriptures that say that Satan knows his time is sh

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This sort of questions are in group of answers similar to this. According to WTJWorg teaching/interpretation is this:

What Causes Variety in Races?

When the sperm cell from a man unites with the egg cell of a woman, a new human life is conceived even though the parents are of different races. Yet within that very small cell are thousands of genes, the transmitters of hereditary traits. These traits reflect characteristics seen in the parents or other ancestors.

The genetic makeup of the first man, Adam, was such that extensive variety could develop among his offspring—in such things as skin color, hair color and texture, body size and facial characteristics. This variety was increased by language and geographical differences.

Concerning geographical isolation the Encyclopedia Americana explains: “When lands inhabited by two or more populations are separated by seas, mountain ranges, deserts, or other obstacles to travel, the members of these populations are perforce confined to their respective territories. . . . races will be separated by gene frequency gaps corresponding to the geographical boundaries. . . . this condition is approached in Africa, where the Sahara Desert forms a boundary between the European (white) and the African (Negro) races. The Sahara is very sparsely inhabited and difficult for man to traverse; it constitutes an isolating agent of long standing.”

Thus genetics, language and geographical barriers help to explain why distinctive racial groups appear in all parts of the earth.https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101982086

Here, article explains how God made basis, predisposition for (everything) future races variety. In other words, He planed races. Well, if Adam and Eve were made as "perfect" human and if climate of Earth was made to be "perfect" forever, why God made so many possibilities in variations, not only in animals and human, but about Earth too.  For reason that processes can be initiated that will completely change climatic conditions and that all this can develop, evolve and arise in diversity. This could arouse in us the idea that God had in mind not only plan A, but also plan B, C ....

If you, as believer, want to find cause for everything that exist, you will always get to God-Creator. And if something make you confused, you can always find consolation in this interpretation: God is source of good, and bad things exist because he allowed it. :))

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"So listen to me, you men of understanding:  It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, for the Almighty to do wrong! For he will reward a man according to what he does and bring upon him the consequences of his ways." Job 34:10,11.

"Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of celestial lights..."

As shown in the scripture at Job 34 above, and the scripture mentioned in the post by Emma Rose, God is not to be associated with evil things, but he is associated with and the source of every good gift.

God could foresee that man would eventually ruin his environment, through his persistence of mismanaging the earth and its environment; hence the prophecy by Jesus 2000 years ago that "pestilence" would be a sign of the last days of this system of things. Luke 21: 11 says:  "There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs."

Jesus gave the prophecy at Revelation to the apostle John, while he was on the penal isle of Patmos. Verse 18 of chapter 11 says: "But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth".

It acknowledges that man has been ruining the earth, hence the consequences we are seeing today. So we can expect a roller coaster ride down the slippery slope until God intervenes in men's affairs and bring the Kingdom that we pray for in Matthew chapter 6 verse 9.  Jesus said that is the solution.

 

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@Emma Rose & @Melinda Mills

Summer Fire GIF by Fleischer Studios

Didn't Jehovah cause fire and sulphur to rain down and "nuke" Sodom?

If Lot had said that Jehovah rained down fire and sulphur on Sodom and Gomorrah would he have spoken a lie? No.

So the questioner is now (like Lot) saying Jehovah is creating and sending the pesitlence and Death as one of the four horsemen along with his son Jesus.

Is that not "Truth"?

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You well know that Jehovah did not send the horsemen.  That is like saying Jehovah started the World Wars and other recent disturbances.  Forgot the scriptures that say that Satan knows his time is short? Read Revelation chapter 12.  Jehovah is prophesying about the horsemen, only.  At Armageddon he will send the angels led by Jesus Christ who will use all the forces stored up for the day of destruction. Job 38:22 speaks of the storehouses of snow and hail stored for the day of battle.  Do some research.

 

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Nice play. Not convincing though.  God did tell him to go subduing in the midst of his enemies (competing kings for world domination). However, God is not the cause of the future conditions that were shown on earth, which have started to be fulfilled around World War I.   

When you read Revelation 12: 7-12 you will see that  as a result of Jesus assuming Kingship he ousted Satan from the heavens (verse 7)  and as a result Satan confines his attention to the earth and the resulting woes come about. It says at verse 12: "On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time".   Go back to Genesis 3:15 and see that Jesus is the one assigned by God to fix the problem started by rebellion in the Garden of Eden.  He is the Seed or Offspring that will crush the great Serpent, Satan in the head.

His ride started by removing Satan and turning his attention to the earth.  He promised when he went away to be with his disciples. The good news of the Kingdom is being preached since the late 19th Century; now being done in over 240 lands and islands of the sea. Don't forget all the court victories establishing the right to preach and assemble that were won by his people over these years. He has many Kingdom interests here on earth which he is overseeing. "All authority has been given me in heaven and in earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.  And, look!  I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things".

How is he going to have disciples and future subjects of his Kingdom, if God is going to ask him to kill them with a pandemic.  Tell me.

And how is he going to help people to avoid destruction and inherit the new heavens  (heavenly government) and new earth (earthly society)  if he is not going to save them now by being patient with them so they can hear the good news and repent. Tell me.

2 Peter 3:9-15: " 9 Jehovah is now slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 10 But Jehovah's day will come as a thief,  in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.  11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12  as you await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense hear.  13  But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise and in these righteousness is to dwell.... 14 Further, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also write you according to the wisdom given him."

How could this sound like a person who wants to kill people with a pandemic!  Is God you friend?

I rest my case.

 

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1 hour ago, Melinda Mills said:

All authority has been given me in heaven and in earth.

In connection with "authority" is Revelation 6, too. It is notable that Lamb made decision to open "seven seals". Each of this "seals" brings devastation to Earth and people. I would understand that Lamb action is connected with his free will and determination to "conquer all his enemies". For example, "war in heaven between devil and Michael" is not caused by merely for the reason of  some prophecy needs to be fulfilled, or because God has seen the future. No, war is because this two camps can't stand each other, they decided to win or loose the battle. They are rivals and only one can rule the World. Each of them poses a problem to the other. 

If you want to explain almost all of this and some other things in question of faith and hope, in question of good and evil, than you need to consider another fact/possibility: 

14 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

Jehovah is prophesying about

Bible not made any quotations (as i know) about God's ability to see future before Adam, Eve and satan came to existence and before they made problem. We have WTJWorg interpretations about this dilemma. They explained: Sometimes God decides to see the future, and sometimes He does not want to see the future. :))) In next perception about God we have idea how God always know what action will cause good outcome and what action will end badly. But, His knowledge is not only about other persons or things, but also and firstly about Him. This is one of thing that make Him above all, exalted in power and wisdom. 

Well, the existence of the idea that God knew, even before He created angels and human, that there would be a rebellion (and all about that), is neither impossible nor blasphemous. 

This would mean, that things don’t have to be explained just with the idea of prophecy, as if it’s some definite or indeterminate event that will happen because we could see into the future, like we’re watching TV.
In the case of God, He is not just a neutral and/or helpless observer of the future. He is the initiator of the event and knows very well what will happen. He has all the algorithms and combinations.

For example, the Bible says nothing about the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" in the heavenly realms, which would be a test of obedience and faith for the angels. But Adam and Eve were subjected to a test. Is there a real difference between the free will of an angels and a human ??  And for both we believe they were perfectly created. 

All in all we know little. So, to tell, to teach; God saw future and uttered the prophecy, is not enough. 

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I suppose one has to ask, was it made deliberately or did it happen accidently ? 

Was it made as a weapon ? Was it made to reduce earth's population ?  Man made, then it was from the Devil indirectly.

Was it animal disease ?  And then why are there animal diseases ?  

E. R. goes on about "It is a sign of the last days". Sorry Emma that is a different topic. But please remember the scripture that says 'but the end is not yet'

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20 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

Thanks for link.

 My very first reaction when i saw question and answer was this:

Bible didn't foretell that blood transfusion is the thing that will cause problem for JW members. Bible didn't foretell that blood transfusion is part of Last Days Signs or fulfillment of some past prediction/prophecy  for the future. :))  

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