JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?

[Srecko Sostar]

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Robert Luccioni addressed such problems when he advised “strengthening your spiritual core.”

- strong core - 2 tim 3 14,15 .... from whom he learned teaching
- wicked man and impostors would twist Jesus words - generation teachings - constantly repackage Jesus teachings 
- spiritual foundational muscles
- dogmatic statements we made in past
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- etc. etc

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Disturbed at a prior organizational “dogmatic statement?”

RL speaking about wicked man and impostors that would twist Jesus words.

What was Jesus' words about, for example, "generation"?? Only what we can read in Gospels.  Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Mat 24:34 

And He stopped at that point! 

Who did constantly repackage Jesus words about "generation"? WT and GB! Period! We are witnesses of at least 3 crucial changes on "generation" interpretations.

Please, JW's "strong core" depending very much on Teachers from which they primary heard "the word", is one of element RL speaking about. WT Teachers from Russell to nowadays ...they have changed. Various Teachers and JW got/have various spiritual food. So, this famous "spiritual core" he want to highlight, was different for various generations of JW's. Various generation of JW's are/were not UNITED in one and same Teaching in this time period from 19th century until today. Are they UNITED with Teachings from 1st Century??

And look the miracle. Different, even opposite "spiritual core" that is needed for "spiritual foundational muscles" is based on one, single and same, never changed Jesus' words about "generation". Or about any other Jesus' teachings. But in WTJWorg World everything is possible. To be extracted different and various "divine" teachings from ONE and SAME Bible verse about word "generation" in Mat 24:34.

Who are "wicked man and impostors" inside WTJWorg that (would) twists Jesus words and constantly repackage Jesus teachings? Ex-JW aka apostates? :))) or GB+Helpers+Elders?

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The trick is not to try to sanitize the present. It is to desanitize the past. This is what Luccioni does

?? desanitize = To remove the cleanliness from something; to dirty. To make unsanitary.

WTJWorg past and present is mixture of clean and unclean things. Is that what RL is trying to explain?? 

... one day we may hit the time whether personally or as organization when all the other peripherals are gone, all the extras (conventions, TV, videos, music WT articlec etc).

What will they have left, to JW's, when traditional and peripherals spiritual elements gone? They will be left with "old questionable spiritual food" ... as in all the years, decades before.

[Anna]

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

congregants have taken that message to millions of people in the world.

The only message I know of is the message of the Good News and salvation for all those who want to live under God's Kingdom.

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

The message that has been spread so far and wide has been LIES

Are you calling God a liar then? Are you saying God's Kingdom won't come? I find that disturbing.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@Anna tries very hard to twist things. She is a well trained JW to be sure. 

I quote her

The only message I know of is the message of the Good News and salvation for all those who want to live under God's Kingdom.

However she deliberately 'forgets' to mention that the 'message' also says 'You have to be a baptised JW to be saved' and that Armageddon is so so so close that you must get into the Org NOW. Ignoring the fact that JWs have been saying this for around 100 years. And that the baptism is not 'In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' as Jesus words instruct. No, it is in the name of JW Org. So getting baptised doesn't help one to be a Christian, it only helps one to be a JW.  

Then Anna says,

Are you calling God a liar then? Are you saying God's Kingdom won't come? I find that disturbing.

Don't be delusional Anna, you can see above my comment about what your Org preaches. God never gave a date for Armageddon. God never said we are in the last hour of the last day. And Jesus did not teach to baptise into JW Org. 

But you do not find those things disturbing it seems. 

 

[Witness]

On 11/24/2020 at 4:26 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Robert Luccioni addressed such problems when he advised “strengthening your spiritual core.”

Luccioni is comparing the GB to Jesus and to his apostles.   He says that many found Jesus' words to hard to bear.  Jesus, the Son of God, the King, is being compared to men who utter false prophesies.  When will blasphemy come to end, from this organization.  He states faith and a spiritual "core" is needed in God's word, and also in the 'WORD" of the GB.  

Really.

He says, it is the wicked ones who cannot take hold of the following burdens.

Let me quote this man:

“TODAY WICKED MEN AND IMPOSTERS USE EXACTLY THE SAME TECHNIQUES.  AND ITS’ ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.  THEY USE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATION.

THEY LIE ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH CHILD ABUSE.

HOW WE CARE FOR THE VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE.

 THEY TWIST STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE…

 REGARDING OUR STAND ON BLOOD, LOYALTY TO FAMILY.  DISFELLOWSHIPPING.  THEY CAPITALIZE ON WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS ERRORS.

 PERHAPS DOGMATIC STATEMENTS WE MADE IN THE PAST REGARDING A BIBLE PROPHESY OR OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TIME OF THE END, AND THEN WE LATER CHANGED IT. 

THEY ALSO PUT A NEGATIVE SPIN ON CHANGES THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND. 

SEE WHY WE SIMPLIFY

DID REASSIGNMENTS IN 2015.

 A NEW EXPLANATION OF THE GENERATIONS

CHANGES AT WORLD HEADQUARTERS.

WHAT’S THE RESULT, WELL SOME ARE SWAYED BY THESE THINGS.

THEY’RE STUMBLED, THEIR KNOCKED DOWN.  IT’S TOO HEAVY FOR THEM TO CARRY."

I CAN SEE WHY.  THAT IS A LONG LIST, THAT WOULD MAKE ANYONE LOSE EQUALIBRIUM.  

JESUS CHRIST SAYS,
"Come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.  Matt 11:28

His message was simple to begin with.  It didn't need to be "simplified" after screwing with people's lives...for decades, by telling "dogmatic statements regarding a Bible prophesy."

And the disciples that Luccioni called upon to also compare with your GB's mistakes?  

Here, for you, the man who cannot tolerate scripture, although your speaker "dogmatically" repeatedly pointed to his corrupted version of the Bible, as necessary to preserve your, and all JW's spiritual core.

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2"1-4

Where does this message, this prophesy about the coming of Christ originate?   It is with those wicked ones, who compare themselves to the apostles - your GB - your entire leadership from the birth of your organization and rise of the elder body.

Ask Luccioni, what is the Temple of God, and who "sits"/rules and exalts himself above these "living stones".  

Dear Tom,

Comedy, story making and ignorance of God's Word in Christ, will not win us points when we must account for every EMPTY/DISCARDED/WORTHLESS/IDLE word we have spoken before Christ.  Words that proved to be lies.  

Matt 12:36,37

 

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[Witness]

On 11/24/2020 at 4:26 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

“strengthening your spiritual core.”

My neighbor made an interesting comment about her husband.  She said, regarding his below par choice of foods, that he still looks fit and strong; I suppose you could say he has a strong muscular “core”, but this will not guarantee a healthy life if he doesn’t eat right.  That was her point.

Healthy spiritual food, sets in place one’s spiritual “foundation”.  We build on it from there.  Don’t you see that not only did Luccioni compare Jesus with the GB, but he is excusing the GB’s failures while at the same time, it is said that Jesus and God guides their decisions through Holy Spirit?   Jesus expects lasting food, "fruit that remains", to be provided through those whom HE sends, not men who twist their words and place the blame always for failures…somewhere else!  (John 15:16)  

Luccioni said it is the wicked who twist Jesus’ words. Yes it is. What a pitiful plea he put out there, imploring one's faith and devotion in the GB, to remain "steadfast".  All to preserve an organization with its foundation built on falsehoods.   (Matt 7:26)

“But know this: Hard times will come in the last days. ² For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, proud, demeaning, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, ³ unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, without love for what is good, ⁴ traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, ⁵ holding to the form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid these people.

⁶ For among them are those who worm their way into households and deceive gullible women overwhelmed by sins and led astray by a variety of passions, ⁷ always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. ⁸ Just as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth. They are men who are corrupt in mind and worthless in regard to the faith. ⁹ But they will not make further progress, for their foolishness will be clear to all, as was the foolishness of Jannes and Jambres.”  2 Tim 3:1-9

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

12 hours ago, César Chávez said:

What would be the purpose of the GB hanging around people like you. How about witnesses that don't have God's kingdoms interest.

Would that include people that make up the it own Bible interpretation? Tell me John, When Jesus was being "rebuked" by Peter, what were Jesus words. Why do you find it a need to have the Watchtower GB influenced by bad association? 

The GB are the bad association.  The GB have made their own Bible interpretation too. 

The GB have dishonest Lawyers to tell lies for them in courtrooms.  The sins of your GB are as high as a mountain.

They twist truth, misuse scripture, hide Pedophiles in the CCJW org, tell lies, pretend to be the F&DS and misguide millions of congregants. 

BUT as scripture tells us, 'The things done in darkness shall come out into the light' and this is now being seen Earthwide.

Your GB don't have long left. Their reign of power is nearly over. Almighty God, through Christ, will remove your GB and replace them with True Anointed ones.  Then God's Kingdom interests will move forward. 

[Srecko Sostar]

11 hours ago, César Chávez said:

would you like to see the Watchtower

I don't care about WTJWorg. But it is interesting to see, analyze and show what they are speaking and doing. Perhaps that will help other people to see the truth behind "the truth".

11 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Do you want the GB to accept "gay rights" like the POPE? Is the Watchtower supposed to listen to "men" instead of the word of God?

WTJWorg and GB already accepted "gay rights" inside some specific WT rules. As to my knowledge, JW can be gay/lesbian and part of congregation but he/she is not "allowed to practice his/her propensity". If that is true, some percentage of JW's are homosexuals. 

[Srecko Sostar]

14 hours ago, Witness said:

His message was simple to begin with.  It didn't need to be "simplified" after screwing with people's lives...for decades, by telling "dogmatic statements regarding a Bible prophesy."

This is what JW people need to hear. 100 up votes for this!

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@César Chávez  is throwing his toys out of the pram again and having a sulk.

Dear C. C. you obviously know nothing about your GB and the Organisation. 

And, opinions of ex-witnesses and all people are of interest to normal people with balanced minds. It is only people such as yourself that have a closed mind and want to be blind to truth, that pretend ex-witnesses opinions do not matter. 

A lady on here blocks comments from me and others. A very stupid thing to do as she will never know truth or know a different point of view. I prefer to listen to all viewpoints, even yours, as it widens my thinking and reasoning ability.  You do have some valid points sometimes as do most JWs. 

As for the Watchtower 'caring about ex-witness' views, I think they do take note of a lot of it.  I actually think this forum is monitored by W/t helpers. Maybe JWI is one of them.  I think that is why John Butler was dis/fed from here. Maybe he got too close to the mark.... 

Mentioning @JW Insider I think he gave some information about homosexuality within the GB or GB helpers, in Bethel, but of course you will not believe things that you dislike.  

C.C. Please face reality. The investigations EARTHWIDE cannot all be wrong. Even if 50% are wrong that still leaves a lot of wickedness and sin inside the CCJW. Wickedness and sin that the GB are responsible for. 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

15 hours ago, César Chávez said:

On 11/26/2020 at 4:09 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

WTJWorg and GB already accepted "gay rights" inside some specific WT rules. As to my knowledge, JW can be gay/lesbian and part of congregation but he/she is not "allowed to practice his/her propensity". If that is true, some percentage of JW's are homosexuals. 

Before I call you a downright "liar" please share this new insight. Maybe its just another thing you don't understand or are confused about. But, show which publications suggest it and show which congregation has gays that have not transformed and rejected that lifestyle (repented) to Serve God as instructed by Christ.

If you can't, I will not sully myself with your ingenious comment from this point. 

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/teenagers/ask/is-homosexuality-wrong/

In this article that is published for all to see, we can make agree on what i was commenting.

Few quotes for evidence:

 In reality, God’s standards apply to all people, whether they have homosexual desires or heterosexual desires. 

Does that mean the Bible promotes hatred of gays? No. In fact, the Bible doesn’t promote hatred of anyone—gay or straight. Rather, it tells us to “pursue peace with all people,” regardless of their lifestyle. (Hebrews 12:14) So it’s wrong to engage in bullying, hate crimes, or any other type of mistreatment of homosexuals.

Does that mean that Christians should oppose laws that allow same-sex marriage? The Bible shows that God’s standard for marriage calls for the union of one man and one woman. (Matthew 19:4-6) However, discussions of human laws on same-sex marriage relate to a political issue, not a moral one. The Bible tells Christians to remain politically neutral. (John 18:36) Therefore, they neither advocate nor oppose governmental laws involving same-sex marriage or homosexual conduct.

But what if someone who wants to follow God’s standard still has homosexual urges?  As with any urge, a person can choose not to nurture or act on those urges. How? The Bible says: “Keep walking by spirit and you will carry out no fleshly desire at all.”—Galatians 5:16. Notice that the verse doesn’t say that the person will have no fleshly desire. Instead, armed with a good spiritual routine of Bible study and prayer, he or she will have the strength to resist those desires.

It is interesting to read how author of article said this:  However, discussions of human laws on same-sex marriage relate to a political issue, not a moral one.

Really? WTJWorg are not to ready to make "discussion of human laws", but see themselves so fit to tell, to preach to all people in the World, how all "secular governments" that exists today are from devil and will be destroyed because they are evil. But GB see themselves as "neutral" with all JW members who are also "neutral" as GB is, about "sex issue". :)) 

If WTJWorg and JW's are "neutral" to comment "human law about same-sex marriage because that is not MORAL ISSUE, as they say, than it is proper to ask: 

Who or what is the “moral vertical” in WTJWorg? Isn’t GB as “representatives” and “advocates,” an “ambassadors” of God’s interests here on Earth?  Is it not God's interest to promote the values of "higher" moral?  

Is “same-sex marriage” only "law issue"? In your opinion please, Is it "sex" a moral issue or law issue? Is it "marriage" a moral issue or law issue? 

Being gay, Is it a matter of morality or law, or is it outside, beyond discussion in that way? Being gay, Is it just a matter of your own choice or is it determined by other circumstances and conditions ? 

WTJWorg The book "Young people ask" says this:  So it’s wrong to engage in bullying, hate crimes, or any other type of mistreatment of homosexuals. ... Therefore, they neither advocate nor oppose governmental laws involving same-sex marriage or homosexual conduct.

How GB can advocate the "moral question of same-sex marriage" before the secular governments"? Perhaps collective writing and sending Letters to governments and secular authorities would be answer :)))

Part two:

In previous article we have seen a rather tolerant explanation. but WTJWorg published many more about "issue". So we can find different sort of talk from same "source/mouth":

 

• abhorrent, sexually degrading, unnatural, sordid – WT 2012 Mar 15 p.31
• an unnatural sexual perversion – Awake 1997 Dec 8 pp.14-15
• sick and perverted – Awake 1995 Feb 8 p.16
• gruesome, violent, and downright sadistic.” Awake 1995 Feb 22 p.14
• disgraceful sexual appetites, obscene – True Peace p.15
• worthy of the death penalty – Awake 1982 Jun 22 p.10
• perverted desires – Awake 1989 Jul 8 p.27
• detestable to Jehovah, vile, repulsive – WT 1979 Mar 15 pp.10,11

Determining Whether a Judicial Committee Should Be Formed. - 11. Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual) under improper circumstances.—If questions are raised regarding Scriptural freedom to remarry, see 12:12.

An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps over a considerable period of time, abhorrent forms of pornography that is sexually degrading. Such pornography may include homosexuality (sex between those of the same gender),...

It is equally wrong for a man or woman to watch two women engaged in homosexual activity as it is for a man or woman to watch two men engaged in homosexual activity.—See 12:14-15. - Shepherd Book

WTJWorg is "neutral"?? :))

[Srecko Sostar]

copy/paste from @4Jah2me topic: 

Social Services Minister Anne Ruston said institutions facing an application for redress were expected to join the scheme.

Jehovah's Witnesses, Kenja Communications and the Lakes Entrance Pony Club are some of the groups holding out.

"We've been extremely disappointed in the behaviour of the Jehovah's Witnesses," the minister told ABC radio on Friday.

"We have spent a lot of time trying to explain to them what we think is their moral obligation to participate in this scheme but they have to date declined to do so."

Survivors can't be given redress unless the institution they were abused by has joined the scheme.

WTJWorg is "morally neutral" :)) as in same-sex marriage issue ?? It seems how "redress" is also about "political issue" and not "moral issue" ??!! ... or, it is only about "money issue"? :))

[Srecko Sostar]

Robert Luccioni "morning worship" or morning manipulation and damage control, quote:

"Wicked men and impostors would also inflame statements that people did not understand ...."

GB blamed in past and blame today own members because they "inflame" WT statements in publications. Do readers of this WT magazines need to, at all, to "inflame" what was already "inflamed"?? about 1941 and 1975??

Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work   in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioneers, on a contribution.   Watchtower 1941 September 15 Page 288

 

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“Does God’s rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man’s existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the “time of the end”.”Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20

 

“The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment.” Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272

 

“The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the “last days” have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God.” Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13

 

“If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!” Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15