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I agree. But where did they get the date from? Those who were serving with a date in mind didn't just pull the date out of thin air did they?

You are told that God’s Spirit is with this organization. (Rev 13:15)  Yet, history proves that with each false prophesy and failed teaching by your leaders, God’s Spirit is not resting in the organization. (Prov 12:22) The God of Truth would not lie, and neither would Jesus Christ, who is Truth. (John 1:14,17;14:6)  If you say God is with you, all JWs are liars themselves. (Prov 13:5) In your mind and hearts, you have blurred the boundary line, between truth and lies.  It should be distinct wit

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6 hours ago, Witness said:

Such a flippant remark

Here you go, Your Holiness, how’s this one for flippant? I spun this into a post of its own:

“It’s embarrassing when you say the world is going to end and then it doesn’t. How are you going to shake off that one? Jonah was so nonplussed that he hiked outside Nineveh to sit and sulk. (Jonah 4:1-5)

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 when he advised “strengthening your spiritual core.” Disturbed at a prior organizational “dogmatic statement?” What if you had heard Jesus himself make one? “Most truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves,” he said. (John 6:53) He lost a lot of disciples that day. “This speech is shocking—who can listen to it?” they said, and stomped off. They might have done better had they strengthened their spiritual core—hang around to see how it played out.

The trick is not to try to sanitize the present. It is to desanitize the past. This is what Luccioni does as he considers a few biblical blooper scenarios, like when Jesus’s disciples failed flubbed up expelling a demon that was causing great havoc to a child—and the scribes were making hay out of that failure. “They failed? Isn’t that their job?” he envisioned spectators being stumbled over it. (Mark 9:14-18) In the same way should modern-day “disciples” fail in some aspect of their job—well—some are stumbled.

How about the brouhaha over 1975? Might that not cause ones minus an enduring spiritual core some problems. Vic Vomodog trots out this faux pas repeatedly. Answer his question once and he repackages it and runs it through again. What a humiliation it was. Could it happen again?

There are two ways to answer this question: 

“No.” As Mark Twain said: “A cat that sits on a hot stove will never sit on a hot stove again. Nor will it sit on a cold one, for they all look hot.”

“Yes.” Are you kidding me? It was 6000 years countdown from Adam per Bible chronology. AND, coupled with the 1000 year reign of Christ to commence after Armageddon. It doesn’t call to mind the 6:1 sabbath arrangement of God? Especially given that one day to God is as 1000 years to mankind? Yes, yes—days to years is apples to oranges—still, its close enough. It is the 1000 to 1 that sticks.

Come now. You think they’re going to snooze through that one? They’re the watchman, after all. It’s an irresistible type/anti-type situation. Given the monumental alignment of the planets, it’s a wonder they didn’t make the call far more forcefully than they did, instead of merely stating it was a possibility, which some zealots presently escalated into a probability. They have to make a call on something like that. It is a sorry watchman, peering through the gloom, high up in his perch, that sounds the alarm only when the prow of the approaching ship smashes through the gunwale and pinches his toes.

“No.” The above is actually reassuring. Because such monumental circumstances will not repeat for a long, long, time—and it took such monumental circumstances to put the call on the back burner that some moved to the front. Three or four years after 75, I recall some rep saying, “We’ve sailed past all the markers.” What can that mean except, “We’re done?” No more calls like that—until the next time—but there shouldn’t be a next time, for that kind of a setup doesn’t happen everyday. Now we get things like “deep in the last days,” the “end is just around the corner,” and “the last of the last days.” No sense in holding out till “the last of the last of the last of the last days” Last of the last is enough.

Everyone gets one failed end-date call within a lifetime. It’s in the rules. It’s a sign of staying alert. Jump the gun in the race and do they shoot you with it? No. It’s not a big deal. They just start the race over.”

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I didn't bother to read @TrueTomHarley book promoting rubbish above, as he just loves to try to be funny and/or make excuses for his failed American Governing Body. It is such a shame that they are all American or American influenced. They have become 'big headed' and obviously do not have God's or Christ's approval. 

A couple of quotes for dear Tom. 

It’s called getting the overall picture and not just zeroing in on what you want to see.

OK, so lets enlarge on that one Tom. Overall picture of the Org' from it's beginning shows that the Org and it's Leaders have been putting dates on Armageddon from step one. It shows the Org' has been using Armageddon to frighten people into the Org'. One reason for doing so is to get more money from people, more congregants = more donations. another reason for doing so is Power. The bigger the Org, the more people the Leaders can control. Add to this that there is then more people to spread the lies of the Leaders. The more the lies are spoken, the more people will start to believe them. 

Then of course we have, what Tom calls my favourite subject. An overall picture of the Child Sexual Abuse within the CCJW / JW org shows that in Australia they started recoding it 50 years ago, but strangely enough America only seems to have a database / records for the past 25 ish years ???? But overall it can be seen as an Earthwide serious problem within the CCJW. 

So there we have an overall outlook on a couple of points concerning the CCJW. Just to note that many of us on here do look at the overall picture but then we get criticised for it.

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And what of this diatribe of yours that the ‘true anointed’ is to manifest itself (out of nowhere) in but a few years max? Is that not you asserting we are in the last of the last?

It does seem that some on here do not have ANY SPIRITUAL FEELINGS AT ALL. They have NO FAITH IN GOD OR CHRIST.

I can imagine Tom stood at the Red Sea with Moses. Tom would be saying "What's this diatribe about God saving us from the Egyptians"   Where is your faith Tom ? 

The last hour of the last day as per your GB, would seem to mean this year or next.  I have said it would take a few years to straighten out the CCJW and that would need a True Anointed to run it.  I like to say 'True Anointed' as it has two meanings. 1. your GB keep saying that some 'anointed' are actually mentally sick. 2. your GB seem to think only they are 'special' and anointed. So TRUE ANOUNTED ones would not be 'sick' and would not be of your GB. 

I have in the past backed this up with scripture, but it has proven pointless as JW GB worshippers are blind to reason. 

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Yes. It's natural for every generation to want to live to see all the good promises fulfilled in their lifetime. With the right attitude, this should not be a disturbing thing to anyone, at best.

Sorry Anna, bad try. You seem to be washing over facts, such as your GB  pretending to be the F&DS and previous leaders also pretending to be inspired of God's Holy Spirit. Not only have congregants served those Leaders to the point of worshipping them, but congregants have taken that message to millions of people in the world. The message that has been spread so far and wide has been LIES. If you do not find that disturbing then you have a problem.

Thank you @Witness for adding further proof of the OVERALL PICTURE which Tom seems to want. 

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18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Please don’t tell me you’ve escaped into a world in which there is no flippancy. Next you’ll be saying that peace, brotherhood, and mutual respect are the default conditions in the overall world.

I would not say something like that, of course and for sure ...., and you are neither forecaster nor prophet able to know what i will say next :)) 

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15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

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 when he advised “strengthening your spiritual core.”

- strong core - 2 tim 3 14,15 .... from whom he learned teaching
- wicked man and impostors would twist Jesus words - generation teachings - constantly repackage Jesus teachings 
- spiritual foundational muscles
- dogmatic statements we made in past
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- etc. etc

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Disturbed at a prior organizational “dogmatic statement?”

RL speaking about wicked man and impostors that would twist Jesus words.

What was Jesus' words about, for example, "generation"?? Only what we can read in Gospels.  Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Mat 24:34 

And He stopped at that point! 

Who did constantly repackage Jesus words about "generation"? WT and GB! Period! We are witnesses of at least 3 crucial changes on "generation" interpretations.

Please, JW's "strong core" depending very much on Teachers from which they primary heard "the word", is one of element RL speaking about. WT Teachers from Russell to nowadays ...they have changed. Various Teachers and JW got/have various spiritual food. So, this famous "spiritual core" he want to highlight, was different for various generations of JW's. Various generation of JW's are/were not UNITED in one and same Teaching in this time period from 19th century until today. Are they UNITED with Teachings from 1st Century??

And look the miracle. Different, even opposite "spiritual core" that is needed for "spiritual foundational muscles" is based on one, single and same, never changed Jesus' words about "generation". Or about any other Jesus' teachings. But in WTJWorg World everything is possible. To be extracted different and various "divine" teachings from ONE and SAME Bible verse about word "generation" in Mat 24:34.

Who are "wicked man and impostors" inside WTJWorg that (would) twists Jesus words and constantly repackage Jesus teachings? Ex-JW aka apostates? :))) or GB+Helpers+Elders?

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The trick is not to try to sanitize the present. It is to desanitize the past. This is what Luccioni does

?? desanitize = To remove the cleanliness from something; to dirty. To make unsanitary.

WTJWorg past and present is mixture of clean and unclean things. Is that what RL is trying to explain?? 

... one day we may hit the time whether personally or as organization when all the other peripherals are gone, all the extras (conventions, TV, videos, music WT articlec etc).

What will they have left, to JW's, when traditional and peripherals spiritual elements gone? They will be left with "old questionable spiritual food" ... as in all the years, decades before.

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3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

congregants have taken that message to millions of people in the world.

The only message I know of is the message of the Good News and salvation for all those who want to live under God's Kingdom.

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

The message that has been spread so far and wide has been LIES

Are you calling God a liar then? Are you saying God's Kingdom won't come? I find that disturbing.

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@Anna tries very hard to twist things. She is a well trained JW to be sure. 

I quote her

The only message I know of is the message of the Good News and salvation for all those who want to live under God's Kingdom.

However she deliberately 'forgets' to mention that the 'message' also says 'You have to be a baptised JW to be saved' and that Armageddon is so so so close that you must get into the Org NOW. Ignoring the fact that JWs have been saying this for around 100 years. And that the baptism is not 'In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' as Jesus words instruct. No, it is in the name of JW Org. So getting baptised doesn't help one to be a Christian, it only helps one to be a JW.  

Then Anna says,

Are you calling God a liar then? Are you saying God's Kingdom won't come? I find that disturbing.

Don't be delusional Anna, you can see above my comment about what your Org preaches. God never gave a date for Armageddon. God never said we are in the last hour of the last day. And Jesus did not teach to baptise into JW Org. 

But you do not find those things disturbing it seems. 

 

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    On 11/24/2020 at 4:26 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

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     when he advised “strengthening your spiritual core.”

    Luccioni is comparing the GB to Jesus and to his apostles.   He says that many found Jesus' words to hard to bear.  Jesus, the Son of God, the King, is being compared to men who utter false prophesies.  When will blasphemy come to end, from this organization.  He states faith and a spiritual "core" is needed in God's word, and also in the 'WORD" of the GB.  

    Really.

    He says, it is the wicked ones who cannot take hold of the following burdens.

    Let me quote this man:

    “TODAY WICKED MEN AND IMPOSTERS USE EXACTLY THE SAME TECHNIQUES.  AND ITS’ ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.  THEY USE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATION.

    THEY LIE ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH CHILD ABUSE.

    HOW WE CARE FOR THE VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE.

     THEY TWIST STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE…

     REGARDING OUR STAND ON BLOOD, LOYALTY TO FAMILY.  DISFELLOWSHIPPING.  THEY CAPITALIZE ON WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS ERRORS.

     PERHAPS DOGMATIC STATEMENTS WE MADE IN THE PAST REGARDING A BIBLE PROPHESY OR OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TIME OF THE END, AND THEN WE LATER CHANGED IT. 

    THEY ALSO PUT A NEGATIVE SPIN ON CHANGES THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND. 

    SEE WHY WE SIMPLIFY

    DID REASSIGNMENTS IN 2015.

     A NEW EXPLANATION OF THE GENERATIONS

    CHANGES AT WORLD HEADQUARTERS.

    WHAT’S THE RESULT, WELL SOME ARE SWAYED BY THESE THINGS.

    THEY’RE STUMBLED, THEIR KNOCKED DOWN.  IT’S TOO HEAVY FOR THEM TO CARRY."

    I CAN SEE WHY.  THAT IS A LONG LIST, THAT WOULD MAKE ANYONE LOSE EQUALIBRIUM.  

    JESUS CHRIST SAYS,
    "Come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.  Matt 11:28

    His message was simple to begin with.  It didn't need to be "simplified" after screwing with people's lives...for decades, by telling "dogmatic statements regarding a Bible prophesy."

    And the disciples that Luccioni called upon to also compare with your GB's mistakes?  

    Here, for you, the man who cannot tolerate scripture, although your speaker "dogmatically" repeatedly pointed to his corrupted version of the Bible, as necessary to preserve your, and all JW's spiritual core.

    "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2"1-4

    Where does this message, this prophesy about the coming of Christ originate?   It is with those wicked ones, who compare themselves to the apostles - your GB - your entire leadership from the birth of your organization and rise of the elder body.

    Ask Luccioni, what is the Temple of God, and who "sits"/rules and exalts himself above these "living stones".  

    Dear Tom,

    Comedy, story making and ignorance of God's Word in Christ, will not win us points when we must account for every EMPTY/DISCARDED/WORTHLESS/IDLE word we have spoken before Christ.  Words that proved to be lies.  

    Matt 12:36,37

     

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    On 11/24/2020 at 4:26 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

    “strengthening your spiritual core.”

    My neighbor made an interesting comment about her husband.  She said, regarding his below par choice of foods, that he still looks fit and strong; I suppose you could say he has a strong muscular “core”, but this will not guarantee a healthy life if he doesn’t eat right.  That was her point.

    Healthy spiritual food, sets in place one’s spiritual “foundation”.  We build on it from there.  Don’t you see that not only did Luccioni compare Jesus with the GB, but he is excusing the GB’s failures while at the same time, it is said that Jesus and God guides their decisions through Holy Spirit?   Jesus expects lasting food, "fruit that remains", to be provided through those whom HE sends, not men who twist their words and place the blame always for failures…somewhere else!  (John 15:16)  

    Luccioni said it is the wicked who twist Jesus’ words. Yes it is. What a pitiful plea he put out there, imploring one's faith and devotion in the GB, to remain "steadfast".  All to preserve an organization with its foundation built on falsehoods.   (Matt 7:26)

    “But know this: Hard times will come in the last days. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, proud, demeaning, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, without love for what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to the form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid these people.

    For among them are those who worm their way into households and deceive gullible women overwhelmed by sins and led astray by a variety of passions, always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth. They are men who are corrupt in mind and worthless in regard to the faith. But they will not make further progress, for their foolishness will be clear to all, as was the foolishness of Jannes and Jambres.”  2 Tim 3:1-9

     

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    On 11/20/2020 at 8:20 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

    Does this means how you acknowledge and accept/admit God's choose/decision to have Shepherds in both shapes, form and content - male and female body? .... So far :)))

    Am I? What does it mean in your opinion. Who is the head of a household, while Christ is the head of the Congregation. Are you suggesting what governments want to see within religion?

    Aside from other religions allowing "gay clergy" and "female clergy", what proposition would you like to see the Watchtower go AGAINST just to satisfy ex-witnesses, that don't matter? Do you want the GB to accept "gay rights" like the POPE? Is the Watchtower supposed to listen to "men" instead of the word of God?

    Do you even know Gods word anymore?

     

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    On 11/20/2020 at 5:54 AM, 4Jah2me said:

    JWs seem to approve of the GB saying that Anointed ones should not gather together, and the GB saying that the Anointed ones would be working 'against the Holy Spirit' if they did gather together. 

    What would be the purpose of the GB hanging around people like you. How about witnesses that don't have God's kingdoms interest.

    Would that include people that make up the it own Bible interpretation? Tell me John, When Jesus was being "rebuked" by Peter, what were Jesus words. Why do you find it a need to have the Watchtower GB influenced by bad association? 

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