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My first ever meme to call my own. I figured if I could make one here, I can make one anywhere!

I agree. But where did they get the date from? Those who were serving with a date in mind didn't just pull the date out of thin air did they?

I would hope that we will have learned our lesson, and remember Jesus's words.. "concerning the day and hour nobody knows..."  So setting any kind of date, by anyone, would hopefully be seen as plainly wrong. There were probably many prior to 1975 that had a similar attitude, but they were looked down on as lacking faith. And they were told that "now was not the time to be  toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning the day and hour nobody knows..." * It was those who sold their houses t

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is initially shocking to see ones taunting the Most High,

It is shocking, but then should we be surprised when people do that? After all, it wouldn't be the first time.

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

 all the more so when they purposefully make themselves obtuse about how God works with and through humans. The fact that they have nothing to offer that is better doesn’t phase them in the slightest,

I have stopped reading those kind of posts a long time ago.....if Derek intends to stay here, maybe he should do the same.

 

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

No, you don’t go calling people rats and idiots, nor judge just who is to die, for that is not our place. But he displays righteous indignation

This is not a place for that kind of righteous indignation. This is a place for discussion. If he feels righteously indignant, then he should be able to express that in ways that makes a person think. Otherwise the discussion may just end up being:

"You're an idiot"

"No, you're' and idiot"  etc....

So you are right, he does not belong here.

 

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55 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

As for selling homes, in my territory there was but one individual that was quickly corrected in his erred understanding.

A relative of mine whose name I forget went into real estate about that time. His firm’s motto was “We reap, but we do no sow.” He snapped up all these houses for a pittance—it was always easy to talk down the price—“sell quick before everyone else does!”—and he is living the high life in Monaco today.

 

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1 hour ago, Emma Rose said:

it does allow each individual to reach their own conclusion and that is how I accord dignity to my fellow listeners and generally it opens up a variety of pathways for dialogue...that is what you're supposed to mind read hahahahah...........

You give me far too much credit. I just thought your printer must have run out of ink. :)

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1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

understand what was being discussed since 1966 and what the Assembly talks were related to time chronology and the 6000 years,

I have a feeling you are not being entirely honest. Have you listened to Charles Sinutko's talk? If so, what do you have to say about it? And tell me, how many times did he mentioned the year 1975, and in what context?

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Why is it so hard, for some of the JWs on here to simply admit that yes, 1975 was a debacle, and a  mistake made by  imperfect people, eager to see the new world. There is nothing wrong with that kind of eagerness. Rather than denying and defending that 1975 was not a debacle, why not talk about what this teaches us, and how it can help us on a personal level to avoid getting sweap up by that kind of reasoning in the future? If the conventions suddenly started mentioning 1930 as a possible date for Armageddon, because of some calculations pertaining to the generation, for example (or any other calculations for thay matter) how would we react? Emma mentioned we would just wait and see. Well yes, that is definitely an answer, and can be the answer for absolutely anything  that we are not sure about. But maybe it should go deeper than that. Maybe we should look at ourselves, and refresh the reasons why we are in the truth in the first place. Like those who are now ex-JWs should have done prior to 1975...

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There are two results associated with JW and the year 1975.

The WT administration made great efforts in a spiritual and literal sense to “save” as many people as possible from Armageddon who were expecting at the time. The increase in the number of members (until 1975) was great because the effort invested in preaching was enormous. But the “inflated spiritual food” offered on the GB spiritual table caused a second result after 1975. A major departure from the organization. Yes, members leaving “Noah’s Ark” was a debacle for the New York Administration, for sure. 

In fact, I think that the spiritual condition of the JW members at that time was exactly the same as today's JW and vice versa. JW people are willing to believe in the hope and interpretations of their religious leaders. There was no change, people still want and have to believe in some sort/version of "the truth". As a consequence of such a general state of mind and spirit of the collective and of the majority of individuals in that collective, disappointment is inevitable. 

The WT administration is in a closed circle of constant doctrinal debacles. Bigger and smaller debacles, which in each new generation / version are called "knowledge that multiplies" and "light that shines more and more", "clarifications", "adjustments" etc, etc.

Like all other people, JW members want to believe in God and Justice and a better Future. And it’s a lure/bait that attracts. It is a soil on which many hopes can grow. And that is why it is a powerful means of attracting and keeping people in spiritual captivity, with a few phrases of truth and many misconceptions.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Anna said:

So you are right, he does not belong here.

 

I didn’t actually say that he didn’t belong here. I said that if he remains, he may decide to rethink his approach. He is not wrong, you know. The Bible uses words like ‘stupid” in a moral sense, not one of mere intelligence. It is more that, as you say, there is little use in a thread that just becomes one of name-calling.

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@Srecko Sostar That is fabulous.  Very well explained. 

I think that JWs forget the teachings of the 60's.  Remember the teachings ;

Each Creative Day = 7000 years. 6 Creative Days = 42000 years.

We were living in the last day and it would consist of 6000 years + 1000 years of Christ's rule

That would equal 49,000 years, then it would be handed back to God and be a Millenium of some sort. 

So that teaching was saying that at the end of the 6,000 years, Christ's rule would begin.

That year was 1975. 

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