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Why is it so hard, for some of the JWs on here to simply admit that yes, 1975 was a debacle, and a  mistake made by  imperfect people, eager to see the new world. There is nothing wrong with that kind of eagerness. Rather than denying and defending that 1975 was not a debacle, why not talk about what this teaches us, and how it can help us on a personal level to avoid getting sweap up by that kind of reasoning in the future? If the conventions suddenly started mentioning 1930 as a possible date for Armageddon, because of some calculations pertaining to the generation, for example (or any other calculations for thay matter) how would we react? Emma mentioned we would just wait and see. Well yes, that is definitely an answer, and can be the answer for absolutely anything  that we are not sure about. But maybe it should go deeper than that. Maybe we should look at ourselves, and refresh the reasons why we are in the truth in the first place. Like those who are now ex-JWs should have done prior to 1975...

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My first ever meme to call my own. I figured if I could make one here, I can make one anywhere!

I agree. But where did they get the date from? Those who were serving with a date in mind didn't just pull the date out of thin air did they?

You are told that God’s Spirit is with this organization. (Rev 13:15)  Yet, history proves that with each false prophesy and failed teaching by your leaders, God’s Spirit is not resting in the organization. (Prov 12:22) The God of Truth would not lie, and neither would Jesus Christ, who is Truth. (John 1:14,17;14:6)  If you say God is with you, all JWs are liars themselves. (Prov 13:5) In your mind and hearts, you have blurred the boundary line, between truth and lies.  It should be distinct wit

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There are two results associated with JW and the year 1975.

The WT administration made great efforts in a spiritual and literal sense to “save” as many people as possible from Armageddon who were expecting at the time. The increase in the number of members (until 1975) was great because the effort invested in preaching was enormous. But the “inflated spiritual food” offered on the GB spiritual table caused a second result after 1975. A major departure from the organization. Yes, members leaving “Noah’s Ark” was a debacle for the New York Administration, for sure. 

In fact, I think that the spiritual condition of the JW members at that time was exactly the same as today's JW and vice versa. JW people are willing to believe in the hope and interpretations of their religious leaders. There was no change, people still want and have to believe in some sort/version of "the truth". As a consequence of such a general state of mind and spirit of the collective and of the majority of individuals in that collective, disappointment is inevitable. 

The WT administration is in a closed circle of constant doctrinal debacles. Bigger and smaller debacles, which in each new generation / version are called "knowledge that multiplies" and "light that shines more and more", "clarifications", "adjustments" etc, etc.

Like all other people, JW members want to believe in God and Justice and a better Future. And it’s a lure/bait that attracts. It is a soil on which many hopes can grow. And that is why it is a powerful means of attracting and keeping people in spiritual captivity, with a few phrases of truth and many misconceptions.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Anna said:

So you are right, he does not belong here.

 

I didn’t actually say that he didn’t belong here. I said that if he remains, he may decide to rethink his approach. He is not wrong, you know. The Bible uses words like ‘stupid” in a moral sense, not one of mere intelligence. It is more that, as you say, there is little use in a thread that just becomes one of name-calling.

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@Srecko Sostar That is fabulous.  Very well explained. 

I think that JWs forget the teachings of the 60's.  Remember the teachings ;

Each Creative Day = 7000 years. 6 Creative Days = 42000 years.

We were living in the last day and it would consist of 6000 years + 1000 years of Christ's rule

That would equal 49,000 years, then it would be handed back to God and be a Millenium of some sort. 

So that teaching was saying that at the end of the 6,000 years, Christ's rule would begin.

That year was 1975. 

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4 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

Actually, i may have gotten Derek confused with Tom, c'est la vie, we all make mistakes.

Why would I suddenly not understand Tom's sense of humour if I have been posting on here for as long as Tom?  I also messaged you to let you know who is who since you were new here. That should have told you that I was familiar with most of the posters.

But I will give you the benefit of the doubt 🙂

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1 hour ago, Anna said:

I have a feeling you are not being entirely honest. Have you listened to Charles Sinutko's talk? If so, what do you have to say about it? And tell me, how many times did he mentioned the year 1975, and in what context?

I would tell you the same thing I told Junior. Why did you use the “presence tens” to an objective that is still to be met. If this wicked system will escalate and accelerate after 1975 to a downward trajectory, it would have to be a visual accomplishment by world government and its people.

He simply said, that’s why we wait and see what signs we will be exposed to after 1975. I agreed with that possibility, and still do. 

This is why, a more recent witness cannot dictate their presumptions, even though they might hear or read it from the past. When apostates post a talk and take it out of context, and present day witnesses accept that ideology, then, the dishonesty lies with those accepting such conspiracy.

Stay Alive till 1975, was meant for those renewing their faith after 1942. The same illusion ex-witnesses use with Rutherford’s “millions now living will never die”. Who were those Bible Students that had NO hope of a earthly resurrection?

Now, what changes happened in 1975 by world view? How about the Helsinki Declaration.

*** g75 11/8 p. 6 Europe’s Largest Peace Conference—What Did It Mean? ***

Peace and Security in Four “Baskets” of Agreements

The Declaration, called the “Final Act,” was signed in Helsinki on August 1, 1975, by the thirty-five participating nations. Its introduction declared that all the participating nations recognized “the close link between peace and security in Europe and in the world.” Also, that they were conscious of the need for each to make “its contribution to the strengthening of world peace and security and to the promotion of fundamental rights, economic and social progress and well-being for all peoples.” They pledged to support the United Nations in achieving this goal.

 

How about world economics:

The present report has been prepared in response to that request. It takes a closer look at the course of events in the first half of the Decade, bearing in mind the General Assembly's concern - expressed in resolution 3343 (XXIX) - in regard to the constraints that have inhibited the implementation of the International Development Strategy and the Programme of Action. The 1971-1975 period was one

of great instability in which short-term problems and emergencies tended to pre-empt the attention of policy makers. The implications of this for the longer-term policies embodied in the International Development Strategy are examined.

 

Climate change, world population, etc.

 

*** g73 7/8 p. 29 Watching the World ***

wrote the book Famine—1975. At the time many scoffed at their view that large-scale famines were possible by the mid-seventies. But what is being said now? The “deepening crisis” in food production and population growth world wide leads J. P. Brown to write in the New York Times: “It appears that the Paddock brothers’ prophecy for 1975 could begin to become a reality as early as 1974.”

 

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C.C that is so lame. :) :) :).  Try harder than that. It doesn't matter what happened AFTER 1975. What matters is that the Leaders of the CCJW were WRONG. 

So the CCJW is built on a very flawed foundation with many mistakes and false promises. 

THAT IS NOT GOD'S FAULT, NOR IS IT CHRIST'S FAULT.  It is the  fault of MEN. The MEN that have led your religion.

 

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1 hour ago, Anna said:

started mentioning 1930 as a possible date for Armageddon,

I'd be really concerned about that.

1 hour ago, Anna said:

wait and see

What on earth makes you think that JW's haven't examined themselves in the way you suggest?  When you stop trying to exert control over how people think, you will know a peace that is unsurpassed.

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1 hour ago, 4Jah2me said:

C.C that is so lame. :) :) :).  Try harder than that. It doesn't matter what happened AFTER 1975. What matters is that the Leaders of the CCJW were WRONG. 

This is why you have yet to understand anything about the Watchtower other than your hatred for it. As an ex-witness John Butler, the one that needs to try harder is yourself while you still have time to repent. If not, then don't be surprised when you are judged by Christ. None of us should be surprised.

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