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3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

A relative of mine whose name I forget went into real estate about that time. His firm’s motto was “We reap, but we do no sow.” He snapped up all these houses for a pittance—it was always easy to talk down the price—“sell quick before everyone else does!”—and he is living the high life in Monaco today.

I don’t doubt someone will take advantage of gullible people. That might work for some cultures, but not in mine. In essence, all the Elders in my district and region took to heart, what is written in 1 Corinthians 2:11-14 by Paul, while other past Elder’s in other regions or cultures, decided to revamp scripture with their own agenda in order to justify their own personal view, therefore, they didn’t really care about what is written in sound scriptural, doctrine.

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My first ever meme to call my own. I figured if I could make one here, I can make one anywhere!

I agree. But where did they get the date from? Those who were serving with a date in mind didn't just pull the date out of thin air did they?

You are told that God’s Spirit is with this organization. (Rev 13:15)  Yet, history proves that with each false prophesy and failed teaching by your leaders, God’s Spirit is not resting in the organization. (Prov 12:22) The God of Truth would not lie, and neither would Jesus Christ, who is Truth. (John 1:14,17;14:6)  If you say God is with you, all JWs are liars themselves. (Prov 13:5) In your mind and hearts, you have blurred the boundary line, between truth and lies.  It should be distinct wit

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6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Like all other people, JW members want to believe in God and Justice and a better Future. And it’s a lure/bait that attracts. It is a soil on which many hopes can grow. And that is why it is a powerful means of attracting and keeping people in spiritual captivity, with a few phrases of truth and many misconceptions.

 

Thank you so much for such a great explanation.  What caught my attention was your use of “soil” as describing the “lure/bait” that attracts.  That bait is not enough for a solid faith in truth to thrive.  The soil is poor in nutrients – truth; other than providing the initial boost, received at the outset.  When I think of myself when first entering the organization, I felt that initial boost, but as the years went by, the joy dissipated, the attention to be given to the organization became drudgery.  The “soil” was not fortified over the years, just as it isn’t today.  It lacks the “bread of life” and the “living water” from Jesus Christ.  Men who rely on their own understanding – their own doctrine -  cannot provide such things.  John 6:35; 7:38

“Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines.’”

Empty – “vain, fruitless, folly”, which results in “soil”, not fit to grow a genuine and nourished faith, in the Father. 

If JWs could only see that the organization runs solely on the doctrine of men.  As you say, “disappointment is inevitable”. 

 

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9 hours ago, Witness said:

Every falsely projected date, every teaching that has changed course several times over the years, is evidence of a lying spirit among you

Did you know that the anointed "Israel" are compared to stars in the heavens?  (Dan 12:3; Phil 2:15; Eph 2:6; Rev 1:20)  An anointed one can be "led away by the error" of lawlessness...and fall from his "stable position".  2 Pet 3:17

They are also described as "wandering stars" -

"These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever."   Jude 1:12,13

The stars that remain in Jesus' "right hand" follow a set course, the path he took. (Rev 1:20) They follow his teachings and do not waver from them.  The proof that the governing leaders are not those stars in Jesus' hand, is their continual "changed course" in teachings.  Don't let their smooth talk convince you of bogus, "new light".  This is evidence that they are "wandering stars", groping in the dark, for new doctrine to replace the old.  

 

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10 hours ago, Witness said:

It lacks the “bread of life” and the “living water” from Jesus Christ.  Men who rely on their own understanding – their own doctrine -  cannot provide such things.  John 6:35; 7:38

“Their worship of me is empty, because they teach human rules as doctrines.’”

Empty – “vain, fruitless, folly”, which results in “soil”, not fit to grow a genuine and nourished faith, in the Father. 

This can also include self-promoting "anointed people" and ex-witnesses with an agenda. Srecko plays both sides of the coin when it is covenant just like all ex-witnesses do with meat that has no substance. What scripture indicates that.

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15 hours ago, César Chávez said:

I don’t doubt someone will take advantage of gullible people. That might work for some cultures, but not in mine. In essence, all the Elders in my district and region took to heart, what is written in 1 Corinthians 2:11-14 by Paul, while other past Elder’s in other regions or cultures, decided to revamp scripture with their own agenda in order to justify their own personal view, therefore, they didn’t really care about what is written in sound scriptural, doctrine.

My maternal grandparents got caught up with this, they were told to buy on HP because they wouldn't have to pay it off.  I'm not sure whether they did buy copiously and greedily, but they allowed both that, and Grandma's nervous cough to put them off both attending meetings and answering up.  Revealed totally wrong motives. 

Jehovah will continue to refine His people.

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13 hours ago, Witness said:

The “soil” was not fortified over the years, just as it isn’t today.

Absolutely! What JWs call “spiritual food” can be divided into two categories.

The first is: Simple and generally accepted moral values that are embedded in the consciousness and conscience of people.
The second is: Theological-administrative doctrinal nomenclature, of Previous and Present Teachings. The Previous Teachings actually, in simple, clear and normal wording means wrong, err, false teachings, apostasy. ....and The Present Teachings means ostensibly correct, something that will be swallowed by some new interpretation in the future.

One of the very obvious and very clear examples of theological misconceptions, is the teaching of the "Generation of 1914." To keep parts of that concept alive, they invented the “Overlapping Generation”.

13 hours ago, Witness said:

If JWs could only see that the organization runs solely on the doctrine of men.  As you say, “disappointment is inevitable”. 

Similar to 1975 calculations and interpretations that came from WT Administration, JW people do and will react to "Overlapping Generation" in similar way as they did and they do now to 1975.

As  @Emma Rose in "deep wisdom" say: We'd wait and see. Of course, we don't need to wait long. Apologists for WTJWorg already continuously and zealously defend every past and present failure. 

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1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

One of the very obvious and very clear examples of theological misconceptions, is the teaching of the "Generation of 1914." To keep parts of that concept alive, they invented the “Overlapping Generation”.

As they say, "necessity is the mother of invention".  

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Apologists for WTJWorg already continuously and zealously defend every past and present failure. 

 

@TrueTomHarley stated:  “It is initially shocking to see ones taunting the Most High, all the more so when they purposefully make themselves obtuse about how God works with and through humans. The fact that they have nothing to offer that is better doesn’t phase them in the slightest, as they do nothing but condemn the GB, their spiritual betters.”

There is so much said in that paragraph that excuses the “inventions” of men’s minds.  Is this how God works through humans?  Did Jesus expect his servants to create chaos?  Confusion?  Anticipation and invention of how to rectify a teaching that expired?  Who, is really taunting the Most High? 

There is something better that is offered. 

 

27 "Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”

28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”

32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”

 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 

John 6:27-36

 

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54 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I haven’t done that yet. (Didn’t know it was possible)  But perhaps I should. After all, there is nothing new under the sun.

I choose to ignore the content without the "You've chosen to ignore content by ........."    You can try that one too 😄  You don't have to read everything you see in front of your eyes,. But then you are in the wrong forum, if you ignore posters here, in the JW open, then you might as well not be here 😄

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