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The Preexistence of the Messiah – Questions and Answers

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The Preexistence of the Messiah – Questions and Answers

Proverbs 8:22 – If this is the evidence of the preexistence of the Messiah, what about prudence mentioned in Proverbs 8:12?
Was it brother-twin of preexisting Messiah?

The Hebrew term mezim·mahʹ is used to designate thinking ability, or the ability to give wise and thoughtful consideration to a matter, based on thorough knowledge (Pr 5:2; 8:12) When we compare the first and second part of Proverbs 8:12, then we may ask – why the wisdom has to receive prudence? „….And find out knowledge and discretion.“ (ASV); and find out knowledge of witty inventions. (KJV).

Has Wisdom not Knowledge included as essential quality?

It seems that the Wisdom in this Verse is also personalized as someone who bought knowledge. Jehovah himself has no need either to get knowledge or wisdom because that is his essential quality for eternities.

Wisdom as an imaginary Value can not act by intention.

It may not easy to understand because the information about the messiah is hidden by a symbolic expression in this chapter of proverbs. Christians since the first century were convinced that there is an accurate description of the messiah’s preexistence.

Col. 1:15 – If in him had been created thrones, dominions, rulers, and authorities, so, wouldn’t he have been responsible for all evil in this depraved world?

Jesus is not responsible for bad human governments. He is responsible for a new invisible government in heaven (Rev 1:5,6;5:10;20:6)
The Bible reveals that there are invisible governments that are good, established by God (Eph 3:10), and those that are wicked, established by Satan and the demons. (Eph 6:12) Jesus Christ was the active agent of God in originally setting up all righteous governments and authorities, invisible and visible. (Col 1:15, 16) The visible government, in this case, may rever to the Old Israel ruled by judges, kings, and priests. He, Jesus, has been placed by his Father Jehovah as head of all government (Col 2:8-10), and he must rule until all opposing governments, invisible and visible, are brought to nothing. (1Co 15:24; Compare with Ps 110:1) The apostle Paul indicated that there was a system of things to come (in Jewish the Olam Habba) in which there would be a government under the authority of Christ.—Eph 1:19-21.

Philippians 2:5-8 – If the Messiah was the second in importance after the Father, would his exaltation not equal him to the Father? But can anyone be ever equal to Heavenly Father?

No one can be equal to the Father. „But to us, there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.“ 1.Cor 8:6 (KJV)

Notice, there is only one God, the Father. That’s clearly against the doctrine of the trinity. While the trinity claimes that also the son and the holy spirit are the same God, Paul wrote that only the Father is God.
Jesus is also further subordinated to the Father. „….the head of Christ is God“ 1. Cor 11:3. „But when he (God) saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he (God) is excepted who did subject all things unto him (Jesus). „

Rev. 3:14 – Does the faithful and true witness speak of himself as the Creator of the Universe or as the one who cares for his congregation? Have you ever heard of the New Creature?

Consider that Jesus has not spoken about a New Creation (his anointed followers), but: (Revelation 3:14)“… the beginning of the creation by God. . .“; He was the first created being by God. To assume Jesus speaks here about the New Creation has a thin Base.



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