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Don’t persecute them! a certain foe with no use for Witnesses urged Russia. You’ll just feed into their “persecution complex.”

Well—sure. The best way to feed a “persecution complex” is to persecute whoever has it. On the other hand—which came first: the chicken or the egg?  If there really is persecution, who says it is a persecution complex? Isn’t reality the word he is searching for?

In December 2020, there came an United States Commission on International Religious Freedom report—it is a bipartisan commission, and thus not a product of any one political administration—entitled: “

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The report serves to erase all doubt, even among Witnesses themselves, that theirs is the most persecuted religion today. It is not that other faiths do not suffer persecution from place to place—they certainly do—at times more brutal than that of the Witnesses. It is that no matter where you go, the Witnesses face it in one form or another. The USCIRF focuses on nine different nations—they are all assigned subheadings: Eritrea, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Singapore, and South Korea, but makes clear that these are just the tip of the iceberg, which does “not include the many other countries where the faith is banned or faces official harassment. The situation is ultimately even bleaker than our survey might indicate.”

Those many verses about persecution?

“You will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.” (Matthew 24:9)

“All those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.” (2 Tim 3:12)

If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you..  If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own....Bear in mind the word I said to you, A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also.” (John 15:18-20)

and others? They are fulfilled upon the group whose members approach persons one-on-one to speak “about God and bearing witness to Jesus.” (Revelation 1:9) There were repercussions when John did it—exile to the island of Patmos. There are repercussions today. In Russia, it has been exile to Siberia.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are pacifists—why shouldn’t non-pacifists earn the ‘extremist’ label? They’re industrious. Why shouldn’t those who leach off society top the list? They’re obedient to government authority. Why shouldn’t the disobedient be ‘extremist?’ They live, work, and school in the community; they visit their neighbors with Bible thoughts. Why shouldn’t the reclusive and secretive hermits take top ‘extremist’ honors? Even those who dislike them will describe them individually as “very nice people.” Why shouldn’t those not nice win first ‘extremist’ prize? The easiest gig a cop will ever pull is to be assigned traffic control outside the Regional Convention. Everyone smiles at him or nods a greeting. No one calls him a pig. Why doesn’t a group where people do call him a pig take top ‘extremist’ honors?

It is crazy, so contrary to what anyone would expect, yet it is the way things are. So crazy is it, yet so exactly fulfilling Bible expectations, that it all but screams: Here they are! Here are the people hated for doing good—exactly as the Bible said would be the case! The top dishonor of ‘most persecuted’ becomes the top honor of ‘identifying the people taken from the nations for God’s name.’ (Acts 15:14) It is why I ended a chapter in 

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As for suffering under persecution, Jehovah’s Witnesses will be fortified with: “What merit is there in it if, when you are sinning and being slapped, you endure it? But if, when you are doing good and you suffer, you endure it, this is a thing agreeable with God.” (1 Peter 2:20-21) “Look! We pronounce happy those who have endured”—the James 5:11 verse is woven into the current circuit assembly program. As is Proverbs 27:11: “Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me.” It is the Devil taunting God, as he did with Job, that a person will serve God only when the going is easy.

If you peer into the pants of this or that king to tell of his soiled underwear, you can expect him to get mad. But what if you treat him with respect while you simply go about your innocuous business? Won’t he leave you alone? You would certainly think so, is the gist of Introvigne’s parting remark, but—alas—it is not so:

“What the Jehovah’s Witnesses defend is the right to live differently, in this world, yet part of a kingdom ‘not of this world,’ as Jesus says in John 18:36. Are our societies prepared to tolerate those who live in a way different from the majority’s, as long as they are peaceful, honest, and law-abiding citizens? That the answer is ‘no’ in an increasing number of countries proves that our world is becoming a dangerous environment for religious liberty.”

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Don’t persecute them! a certain foe with no use for Witnesses urged Russia. You’ll just feed into their “persecution complex.” Well—sure. The best way to feed a “persecution complex” is to persecute whoever has it. On the other hand—which came first: the chicken or the egg?  If there really is persecution, who says it is a persecution complex? Isn’t reality the word he is searching for? In December 2020, there came an United States Commission on International Religious Freedom report—i

Not exactly. They are obedient when it does not conflict with God's 'rules'. But many governments give orders that people must join the military for a few years, and JWs disobey (rightly of course) and get put in prison for it. Unfortunately the GB and it's Org have earnt the title of being 'secretive'. And we know why of course.  Once again, unfortunately, the GB and it's Org are also hated for doing 'bad', and we know why. Again, unfortunately, the GB and their lawyers don

First of all, the people taken from the nations for God's name, are His chosen anointed since Christ.  They, are to bear the name of God and Jesus Christ - not the name of an organization.(Isa 45:10-12; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 3:12;5:9,10)  I am sure somewhere buried in Wt's history that truth can be found.     "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5:10 A.               “righteousness’ sake” - In a broad sense: stat

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On 5/1/2021 at 7:49 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

They’re obedient to government authority.

Not exactly. They are obedient when it does not conflict with God's 'rules'. But many governments give orders that people must join the military for a few years, and JWs disobey (rightly of course) and get put in prison for it.

On 5/1/2021 at 7:49 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Why shouldn’t the reclusive and secretive hermits take top ‘extremist’ honors?

Unfortunately the GB and it's Org have earnt the title of being 'secretive'. And we know why of course. 

On 5/1/2021 at 7:49 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Here they are! Here are the people hated for doing good

Once again, unfortunately, the GB and it's Org are also hated for doing 'bad', and we know why.

On 5/1/2021 at 7:49 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Jehovah’s Witnesses will be fortified with: “What merit is there in it if, when you are sinning and being slapped, you endure it?

Again, unfortunately, the GB and their lawyers don't endure it, they cry out that it is all lies. 

On 5/1/2021 at 7:49 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Are our societies prepared to tolerate those who live in a way different from the majority’s, as long as they are peaceful, honest, and law-abiding citizens?

BUT, the GB and it's Org are not honest and in some cases not law-abiding. Certainly not living by God's true standards. 

This is where it becomes unfortunate. The Leaders of the many W/t, CCJW, JW Org, etc companies, have been shown to be dishonest. The CSA problems, and the handling of such, earth wide in those orgs, have given it all a bad reputation. The orgs plural now look dirty. Add to this that the Leaders (those 8 men) have gone beyond the things written, raising themselves up above every other person here on this earth, including the (true) Anointed ones. 

Maybe what you see as persecution is actually God through Christ, withholding Holy Spirit, from those orgs, plural. We know that God punished the Nation of Israel for wrong doing. Maybe if those orgs, including the GB, were to repent of their sins, and to turn around and serve God properly, through Christ, then maybe the Holy Spirit would guide them and protect them.  

What happened in Russia reminds me of what happened to Jerusalem, and we know why Jerusalem was destroyed. 

God, through Christ, will be served properly before that great Judgement Day arrives. 

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12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Here they are! Here are the people hated for doing good—exactly as the Bible said would be the case! The top dishonor of ‘most persecuted’ becomes the top honor of ‘identifying the people taken from the nations for God’s name.’ (Acts 15:14)

First of all, the people taken from the nations for God's name, are His chosen anointed since Christ.  They, are to bear the name of God and Jesus Christ - not the name of an organization.(Isa 45:10-12; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 3:12;5:9,10) 

I am sure somewhere buried in Wt's history that truth can be found.  

 

"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5:10

A.               “righteousness’ sake” - In a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God. integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting

 Is it righteous to hide child abuse cases for years?  Is it righteous to continue promoting a lie that GB members have doubts about, as JWI told us concerning 1914?  To think that your leaders feared being disfellowshipped for exposing 1914 as wrong.  Were they, are they, following in Christ’s footsteps who exposed lies and stood only for truth, or are they following the path of the crooked one?  John 8:44

Is it righteous to lead a person to believe in a date that Armageddon will arrive, and then blame the person for going astray in their anticipating the fulfillment of that date?  (Isa 9:16)

Is it righteous to disfellowship individuals who keep their faith in God and Christ intact, yet reject the dreams of “organization”, which was none other than a “unique idea” to pursue, in Rutherford’s day? 

Is it righteous to shun individuals, caring not whether they live or die? Refusing to help a child who was baptized way too young, and fell into sin.  Today's youths before they reach ten years old, are innocently being baptized into an organization.  What will happen to them when they realize their own folly and leave?  Will they be rejected by the likes of the people here, who have given your post an upvote, a "like", a "thank you"?    

Is it righteous to tell God’s priesthood under Jesus Christ that they must not bond together to study the word of God?  (Dan 11:36,37; Rev 13:5-7)

Is it righteous for elders to act as that priesthood/Temple of God?  (Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)

There are two types of persecution outlined in the Bible.  Persecution put upon God’s wayward people for sinning (Deut 28:19-25);  and persecution by one’s own people for standing up to the lies of men, and for upholding the truth in Christ.  (John 15:18-20)

Why is this organization persecuted? 

It is not for upholding the truth in Christ when its leaders are so good at creating falsehoods, speaking lies, hiding lies, hiding their sins, and shunning any who disagree with their doctrine. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)

 

By the way, speaking of doctrines of men, Jesus does not make new “rules” – an excuse for the GB to do so today.  That, is another lie. We have the Bible where the word of God is all we need. The “rules” are set, not to be added to or taken away from.  (Deut 4:2)

Wt 2/2021 ….Headship -  As our head, Jesus has the authority to make and to enforce rules that govern the conduct of individuals, of families, and of the entire congregation. (

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Under the headship of Christ Jesus, the members of the Governing Body provide helpful direction to organize Jehovah’s people worldwide. They appoint Branch Committee members and circuit overseers. (

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Etc., etc., etc., etc. 

More is said in this article about the GB and their lengthy responsibilities, than Jesus Christ himself. All of these needs that the GB have devised to run the organization, does require rules and regulations as any organization in the world does. But, do JWs really believe that uninspired men are hearing Jesus Christ telling them to make these new rules? Did Jesus Christ tell them they needed to revamp and organize their child abuse policies? If so, what took him so long? Does Jesus Christ tell them to create new doctrine?  Or, as the GB admitted to, they have thought up doctrine and ideas, only to find out they were wrong.

And those who leave such empty philosophy are the apostates? (Col 2:8)  No. The apostates are those who have become slaves of men. (Gal 1:10; Rom 6:16)

Maybe it is the spirit-directed idol that hears the new rules and regulations that must be enforced; such as controlling what God’s priests are allowed to study, and not to study.  (Dan 11:38,39; Rev 13:1,2) 

Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth. 16 Avoid worthless, foolish talk that only leads to more godless behavior. 17 This kind of talk spreads like cancer as in the case of Hymenaeus and Philetus. 18 They have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; in this way, they have turned some people away from the faith.

19 But God’s truth stands firm like a foundation stone with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and “All who belong to the Lord must turn away from evil.”  2 Tim 2:15-19

 

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On 5/2/2021 at 9:49 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

You’ll just feed into their “persecution complex.”

What are they saying? All of us are mentally ill?  Well, in the past they did send most dissenters to be psychologically re-trained or forced labor camps.  Not surprised - this is an old communist trick.  

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It may be that I should have posted this topic in an area closed off from enemies of the Witnesses. I thought about it, but in the end put it here to see what shots they would take, and from that, maybe tighten it up or rewrite portions. They’ve come up with very little. It is stated with such vitriol that it may seem more than it is, but there is nothing that hasn’t been dealt with innumerable times before. 

4Jah raises just one topic. It is the one he always raises. It seems like more than it is because he restates it again and again, but it is just one topic. (He does briefly flirt with JWs not serving in the military, but in the end concludes that it is proper for them to do as they do.) 

Witness corroborates the CSA allegations, then adds her additional normal fury that Christians should be organized so as to get things done, then adds her usual goobledigook incomprehensible to anyone but her, mostly having to do with how she, as a “actual anointed” (her only qualifications being that she claims the status) should be listened to, along with her co-actual-anointed. 

Introvigne is one of a group of scholars—all of them professors of religion—who wrote a brief for a Dutch court. It is a very lengthy brief (though not by the standards of a legal brief) but it addresses all complaints raised above.

Noting that CSA is the universal plague among humankind, it states:

We have no doubt that serious cases of sexual abuse have occurred among Jehovah’s Witnesses, and that some have not been properly reported to the civil authorities. Given the size of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the contrary would be surprising.”

It then goes on to state that, by the Court’s own data, Witness compliance with reporting CSA to police is higher, not lower, than the general Dutch population who are not the subjects of investigation, and higher than a much larger American Catholic community. In short, the court zeroes in on Jehovah’s Witnesses based upon a highly suspect and largely unconfirmable recruitment survey, when their own data indicates others do far worse.

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As to the self-reported victims of CSA who are dissatisfied with how their cases were handled:

Those of us who have studied sexual abuse know that “dissatisfaction with handling” is widespread, and also applies to how cases are handled by the police and secular courts. Sexual abuse is such a horribly traumatic experience that no “handling” is perceived by the victims as totally adequate. It is, again, unfair to single out Jehovah’s Witnesses as if the “dissatisfaction with handling” would concern only them, while it is a common phenomenon in cases of sexual abuse in general.

The brief finds “problematic” that JWs are singled out, when their record is better than that of most. Also that upon publication of the court’s report: Many if not most will only read titles in the media, and will be easily persuaded that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are “bad” citizens, more prone than other Dutch to sexual abuse and the protection of the abusers, while in fact even the figures of the Report suggest that the opposite is the case. 

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it’s hard to know whose venom is worse—that of 4Jah or Witness. Let us designate Witness for top ‘honors,’ though, because while 4Jah loathes the GB because he loathes them, Witness loathes them for that reason AND because they are her rivals—she being one of the “actual anointed” that they ‘forbid to speak with each other’—how they have authority over her, as she left the Witnesses aeons ago, I haven’t a clue. But if Witnesses didn’t listen to them, then maybe they would listen to her, and that appears to be what gets her going.

The “sins” of the Christian organization, as seen in the brief above, are actually quite mild, less than society in general and less that of other religious communities. Yet she and 4Jah storm against them that their persecution is no more than what they deserve—it is merited retribution for their sins. 

That being the case, it is hard to imagine either of the two not dismissing the religious persecution of any group as no more than what they deserve. Few themes are as constant in the Bible as how the people of God will be rewarded in this system of things with persecution. Few themes are as constant in the Bible as how “there is no man who does not sin,” even “many times.” Many NT verses tell of the flaws and mistakes among the early disciples. So who is she going to find that is more undeserving of persecution than JWs? Or will she deny the Lord himself, taking the side of Satan: “Be kind to yourself—you will not have this destiny [of persecution] at all?”

There is not a bit of forgiveness in her toward her rivals. Is it not an inescapable conclusion that she would be cheering the persecution of Christians in Nero’s Rome? When they were thrown to the lions or hung as public lanterns, “God withdrew his spirit—they’re just being repaid for their sins,” the two of them would say.”

What nasty pieces of work they are.

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In your first statement, you begin by boasting about the persecution to come upon JWs.

And then, make excuses for the sins of the organization, that have come to light...about child abuse.  

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The brief finds “problematic” that JWs are singled out, when their record is better than that of most.

 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The “sins” of the Christian organization, as seen in the brief above, are actually quite mild, less than society in general and less that of other religious communities.

The other points I made, are not sins?  Should we compare righteousness of all religions and say, well the WT's righteousness is better than most?  Is that how God gauges righteousness where His people reside?  

A mother sends her child to school and tells him if you eat a piece of birthday cake, you will disappoint "Jehovah".  What a guilt trip to put on a little child.   Yet, Wt. sends its well educated lawyers to court to win a child abuse case, and the leadership feels justified in doing so, because no matter what, they must protect their riches.  Do they feel that any of their actions disappoint God?  Never.  The burden of persecution  is always on the sheep, who are persecuted because they listen to men living a  well insulated life from the persecutions that their flock experiences.  

If we are to suffer for Jesus Christ's sake, we suffer by exposing falsehoods of our own people. This is what John the Baptist did, Jesus Christ and his apostles.  We put our entire faith in only the Father and the Son and we ask for repentance in following false dogma and men who create it.    Persecution is nothing to boast about, Tom.  It is something to understand why it happens to God's people, who reside where the leadership's sins are just now coming to light.   Revelation 18:4-8 is speaking to "my people" - God's elect/saints; but all who are where the "man of lawlessness"/elder body has rulership over the Temple/"living stones" of God, are to leave the organization.  Otherwise, those sins that you say are milder than other religions/organizations, are what all JWs will be found sharing in.  

Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It may be that I should have posted this topic in an area closed off from enemies of the Witnesses.

Oh dear Tom, do you really think people will fall for this ?  You deliberately put it in the Open Club. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

They’ve come up with very little.

In your eyes only. Because God is allowing your eyes to be blinded.

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is stated with such vitriol

No Tom, it is actually written quite calmly and sensibly. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

4Jah raises just one topic. It is the one he always raises

Wrong again. I mentioned a few points. One being that the GB dominate the true Anointed.  And the point about military service was because you said that JW always obeyed the laws of the lands. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

then adds her usual goobledigook incomprehensible to anyone but her

Here you pretend to not understand what @Witness has written. So you prove yourself a liar. 

Then you move on to compare the GB / W/t / JW Orgs (plural) to the rest of the world. A bit like me comparing myself to a murderer or bank robber. Well I'm not as bad as they are :). You are so childish in this respect, you actually expect people to fall for it.  

 

 

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18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

it’s hard to know whose venom is worse—that of 4Jah or Witness.

It hard to know if tom has lost his common sense when he calls truth venom.

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

because while 4Jah loathes the GB because he loathes them

I loathe them for disobeying Almighty God and Jesus Christ, and for misleading thousands of people. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The “sins” of the Christian organization, as seen in the brief above, are actually quite mild,

What complete rubbish this is. Only mild when compared to the rest of the world. NOT mild when compared to God's standards. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Yet she and 4Jah storm against them

What an over reaction tom. you do make yourself appear silly here. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Is it not an inescapable conclusion that she would be cheering the persecution of Christians in Nero’s Rome?

Unnecessary accusation here.  Shows you being over emotional Tom. The Early Christians were not JWs Tom, those early Christians served God through Christ, not through any other organisation. 

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

What nasty pieces of work they are.

More unnecessary emotion. You should maybe be a politician. You seem to enjoy twisting the truth about everything. 

Your GB have set themselves up as 'kings' above all other people on this earth.

Your GB pretend that 'God and Christ trust them'.  Your GB give themselves the title of 'Faithful and discreet slave'.

But you Tom, you continue to sere that GB blindly. 

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On 5/2/2021 at 9:49 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

What the Jehovah’s Witnesses defend is the right to live differently

To explain the phenomenon of “persecution,” what is a prerequisite? What do some individuals or groups of people do or do not do, that another group would consider them "enemies" and begin to “persecute” them in some of the many possible forms of persecution?

To what extent are JWs willing to accept the desire of others to “live differently” from JWs? At what point will someone’s desire for a “lifestyle difference” that is different from JW’s, upset some JW so that in a spiritual sense he reaches for intellectual and emotional reasons that will trigger “hatred” in him and give him an excuse to “persecute” another individual ?

Are JWs capable of “persecuting” those who are different from them? 

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2 minutes ago, WyattEarp said:

or parents, you are the first defense against such crimes. Educate your children.

Very true. Where ever one finds children there will be those with a sick mind who will be opportunistic or predatory.  With porn on internet this crime is on the rise. There are Judas-like people everywhere.... so parents are the first defense.

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1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Where ever one finds children there will be those with a sick mind who will be opportunistic or predatory.

Here’s the latest from Billie Eilish, the newest singing sensation, who until recently dressed like a sack of potatoes and wore her hair green:

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She says she doesn’t know a single peer who hasn’t experienced some sort of underage abuse. “It’s everywhere.”

This is the world human rulership has delivered to us. Notice how she breaks ranks with 4Jah and Witness and doesn’t blame it on Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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