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13 hours ago, JW Insider said:

The second thing is that it shows that JWs don't necessarily worship or blindly follow the GB and/or the Organization,

My comment here will be totally off topic but :-

This is one reason I could not be a JW now. If by studying God's word we put more faith in that Word, rather than the words of men, then how could a true Christian distribute the words of men above God's Word ?  How can JWs distribute the  Watchtower mags and other literature which gives information which contradicts God written Word ?

JWI, I don't expect a sensible answer to this :) 

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I think I just happened to run across another post like the one you were speaking about above. https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/61369/was-the-1914-prophecy-derived-from-the-book-o

Actually it was very similar to the way Miller/Barbour/Russell calculated 1844/1874 and ultimately even 1914. The primary way of calculating 1914 was not the seven times of Leviticus 26 (which later b

In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshippin

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11 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Then you appear to disagree with the Watchtower publications on this point, where the 1,335 days end in the "happy" year: 1926.

*** w51 7/15 pp. 437-438 par. 16 The 1,290 and 1,335 Days of Daniel’s Prophecy ***
blessed is the one who comes to the 1,335 days. So reckoning this period on from the termination of the 1,290 days would mean from September, 1922, to May, 1926,—three years, eight and one-half months—at which time a large international convention of Jehovah’s people was in session at London, England. It was a season most blessed,

And from 1977:

*** go chap. 8 pp. 146-147 par. 57 Marked Days During the “Time of the End” ***
Truly the year 1926 deserved to be marked as the happy climax of the close of the 1,335 days. Those of Daniel’s “people” who kept in expectation and reached the end of the 1,335 days were launched off into a happiness that has not diminished,

And even more recently:

*** w00 5/15 p. 14 par. 28 Pay Attention to God’s Prophetic Word for Our Day ***
The 2,300 days of Daniel chapter 8 as well as the 1,290 and the 1,335 days of chapter 12 are all past—behind us in the stream of time.

 

Of course, the "evidence on the ground" was quite different. The Yearbook (below) describes this period as one of the unhappiest times in WT history. The brothers and sisters were still reeling from the heartbreaking stumbling of so many brothers due to the failure of the 1925 prophecies from the "Millions" campaign and the failed predictions from the book The Harp of God, and the continuing departure of followers under Rutherford's direction. There were the additional failures of the expectations promoted in the book Comfort for the Jews, which had just come out in 1925 (rescinded in 1930/31), etc. 1926 also saw the beginning of heated arguments with Rutherford over why he still called for campaigns to sell Russell's "Studies in the Scriptures" to the public (from 1926-1931) even though Rutherford had begun to reject the majority of the content of those books.

*** yb75 p. 146 Part 2—United States of America ***
A. D. Schroeder states: “It was thought that then the remnant of Christ’s anointed followers would go to heaven to be part of the Kingdom and that the faithful men of old, such as Abraham, David and others, would be resurrected as princes to take over the government of the earth as part of God’s kingdom.”
The year 1925 came and went. Jesus’ anointed followers were still on earth as a class. The faithful men of old times—Abraham, David and others—had not been resurrected to become princes in the earth. (Ps. 45:16) So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: “1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were stumbled; their hopes were dashed.

Prophecy is best understood after it is fulfilled: Daniel 11:44-12:13

I can agree that it had a previous alignment with occurrences, yet I see Jehovah embracing Daniel at the end of his life of integrity. He shows him how Jesus will Stand Up as Earth's new King, then the resurrection that Daniel will experience. He may show him the lot he will be allotted and what it will become. Jehovah sends an angel to ask "When?", another angel answers 3-1/2 appointed times. Daniel states "I do not understand", then it is spelled out for Daniel how this system will end,and when. The King of the North will go forth in a rage, the Last King / UN rules for an "hour" after 1290 days and the first day of Happiness 45 days later or maybe I am misunderstanding what I see, the next 2 appointed times will tell.

 

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On 9/20/2021 at 6:19 PM, the Sower of Seed said:

And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days" The United Nation will rule the Earth on and after this.

HOW will the United Nations find all of the anointed priests in the organization and remove the "constant feature", their "daily sacrifices" that a priest is to carry out?

 "you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."  1 Pet 2:5

1 Cor 3:16,17 - "Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you?  17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are."

How is the temple/priesthood destroyed?  Only by those who know where the anointed are found.  

"built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building, being put together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you are also being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit."  Eph 2:20-22

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So the Prophecy at (Daniel 12:11) has a beginning and an end. It covers a period of time during the time of the end. So what event marks the end, giving us insight to the conclusion of the prophecy for others to be fulfilled? "And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation." (Daniel 11:31)

Since these things are in fact being fulfilled since 1919 what is the event that marks the final part of the prophecy that is upon us? Notice the term 'constant feature'. Prophecies often have an initial fulfillment and then later on concludes with a final fulfillment. The constant feature refers to a continual sacrifice. Animal sacrifices were brought to an end by the death of Jesus Christ.

So as to the timing, it occurs during the end of times. However, the constant feature during the Last Days would be the constant feature of the continual sacrifices of our lips in Preaching the Good News and in Praising Jehovah, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:3)

So the event we are looking for is when the King of the North makes his move and invades our Kingdom Halls, he repossess the constant feature of praise from Jehovah God and Bans the Preaching Work of the Good News of God's Kingdom. Therefore, this prophecy begins to manifest under a certain and specific condition. The King of the North is pushing ahead like a stubborn mule because it thinks he can rob Jehovah's treasury like a common thief and get away with it. (Matthew 24:42) Our Prayers and Praise are far more valuable to Jehovah than gold and silver. Soon, the King of the South will no longer be reluctant but join forces with him and the 'ten horns' will spew propaganda that collects their coalitions of earthly kings together as Gog of Magog. (Psalm 2:2) The result? Gog of Magog will be brought to his finish as Christ Millennial begins.

 

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So many different ideas from different JWs on here.  It's kinda sad really. 

But soon there will be a True Anointed remnant that speak truth from God through Christ. Only by inspiration from God's Holy Spirit will truth be spoken. 

Zechariah 8:23

Berean Study Bible
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”

So, there will come a time when people seeking truth will know who this spiritual JEW is. 

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15 hours ago, BroRando said:

The constant feature refers to a continual sacrifice. Animal sacrifices were brought to an end by the death of Jesus Christ.

Who was in charge of offering sacrifices in the early temple arrangement?

"The Levitical priests will never fail to have a man always before me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices."  Jer 33:18

"you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

The anointed priests of the spiritual Temple of God (1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22) are responsible for the "daily sacrifice" of praise.  Look in your Insight Book, which explains the spiritual Temple, and who comprise it.  Forget what G. Loesch has said, that every JW comprises the Temple.  That is a ploy to hide the "man of lawlessness" within the organization.  The anointed have been cut off from offering their individual "sacrifices of praise" in truth, by your wicked slave. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:5-7)  Their hired henchmen/elder body/"Gentiles have replaced the priesthood. (Rev 11:1,2) THAT is how the constant feature has been removed.   Your downfall is taking literal time periods and trying to make them fit - literally.  The dates in the time of Jesus Christ are symbolic.  (1 Cor 15:46)

Dan.9:26 reads:
"And after the sixty-two weeks, anointed shall be cut off (Rev 13:7,17) and shall have nothing for himself" (Isa 50:2; 63:4,5; Mal 2:7; Isa 41:28) (Isa 58:12; Ezek 13:5; 22:30; Isa 63:3; Rev 19:15).

"And the people of the prince who is to come (2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood (Isa 28:15; Rev 12:15; 9:2), and to the end there shall be war (Rev 12:7; Gen 3:15; Matt 24:6; Dan 11:36; Rev 17:14; 19:11,14; 16:13-16; 20:7,8).

"Desolations are decreed."  (Hos 4:6; Mal 2:8; Ezek 22:26; Dan 11:31; Rev 13:15,17,18; 12:2; 9:3-6,9-11) 

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15 hours ago, BroRando said:

Our Prayers and Praise are far more valuable to Jehovah than gold and silver.

You must not have heard A. Morris's talk on money.  According to him, God and Jesus only love you if you give to the organization.  He quoted John 14:23, and said:

"God loves people who love to give. And that’s true.  So we want J. to love us.."
"but if we say we love Jesus, and were not like Christendom with this proclamation for their love for Jesus, they really don’t even know the real Jesus, frankly till you get an accurate knowledge of the truth.  But if we’re in the truth, dedicated baptized servants of him, if we really love him we’re gonna observe his word.  Now that means not just carrying out the kingdom putting our time and energy into it, it also means money"

Nowhere in Jesus' teachings, did he say to put value on money, but to give to the poor - those in need. Apparently, that excludes the GB and all leaders of the organization - leaches who suck the poor dry.   

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On 9/25/2021 at 8:43 AM, JW Insider said:

We can take an interest in varying views but come to our own conclusions about them.

In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshipping factor, if one declares before the elder body that it is a lie.  As soon as one speaks up stating why it's a lie, they are cut off from the organization.  In this case, they are not considered a brother.  Hypocrisy is practiced not only among the leaders, but among JWs who say one thing in private and bury it before those in power.  If there is solid evidence that a lie is being taught, it is in the interests of all to bring that evidence to the table.  Otherwise, it shows the fear of men.  Unity should not compromise truth.  

When following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we put off falsehoods, and speak truth to our neighbor.  (Ps 15:2,3)  Otherwise one's heart has not made the distinction between  what is good and what is bad, - and believing as we stand before God in judgment, that we are among the righteous.   (John 7:18; Eph 4:25; Mal 3:18)

  1 Cor 10:21

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshipping factor, if one declares before the elder body that it is a lie.  As soon as one speaks up stating why it's a lie, they are cut off from the organization.  In this case, they are not considered a brother.  Hypocrisy is practiced not only among the leaders, but among JWs who say one thing in private and bury it before those in power.  If there is solid evidence that a lie is being taught, it is in the interests of all to bring that evidence to the table.  Otherwise, it shows the fear of men.  Unity should not compromise truth.  

When following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we put off falsehoods, and speak truth to our neighbor.  (Ps 15:2,3)  Otherwise one's heart has not made the distinction between  what is good and what is bad, - and believing as we stand before God in judgment, that we are among the righteous.   (John 7:18; Eph 4:25; Mal 3:18)

  1 Cor 10:21

Proof you're an imposter....

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8 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

So many different ideas from different JWs on here.  It's kinda sad really. 

But soon there will be a True Anointed remnant that speak truth from God through Christ. Only by inspiration from God's Holy Spirit will truth be spoken. 

Zechariah 8:23

Berean Study Bible
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”

So, there will come a time when people seeking truth will know who this spiritual JEW is. 

Imposter... using corrupt scripture that removed Jehovah's Holy Name.

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4 hours ago, BroRando said:

Proof you're an imposter....

Your leader did say, "this is war" - the war of truth against lies. And he seemed very troubled by it, as if he is on the losing side.   (Eph 6:10-17; Rev 12:7)

"Indeed, it is necessary that there be factions among you, so that those who are approved may be recognized among you."  1 Cor 11:19

Matt 18:7 – “ Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! (1914 is one of the big ones.  2 Thess 2:1,2)  Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!”

But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:36,37

 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”  Prov 18:21

"In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.”  Matt 7:17

“The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. (1914) We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”  2 Cor 10:4,5

“For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”  Heb 4:12

 

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

Your leader did say, "this is war" - the war of truth against lies. And he seemed very troubled by it, as if he is on the losing side.   (Eph 6:10-17; Rev 12:7)

"Indeed, it is necessary that there be factions among you, so that those who are approved may be recognized among you."  1 Cor 11:19

Matt 18:7 – “ Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! (1914 is one of the big ones.  2 Thess 2:1,2)  Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!”

But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:36,37

 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”  Prov 18:21

"In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.”  Matt 7:17

“The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. (1914) We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”  2 Cor 10:4,5

“For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”  Heb 4:12

 

More proof  you are a Non Witness. 

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Your leader did say, "this is war" - the war of truth against lies. And he seemed very troubled by it, as if he is on the losing side.   (Eph 6:10-17; Rev 12:7)

Matthew 23:10

Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.

 

Accpecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior can add meaning to your life.

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