The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

On 5/17/2021 at 3:21 PM, Anna said:

I remember reading about something like this in Franz's book but I don't think it was a decision regarding the signs in the heavens but a decision about something else that impacted a lot of people, negatively unfortunately. All because of one person changing his mind...

 

On 5/17/2021 at 4:26 PM, Anna said:

P.S. This book seems like the 1971 version of today's "Pure Worship" book (except of course with some significant changes...)

So what does this tell us ?  It tells us that the GB are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit. It tells us that a lot of people are influenced by the GB's false teachings. And it tells us that significant changes in teachings and direction are constantly happening in the JW Org.  Did Jesus change his teachings ?  Should we change the teachings of Jesus ?  

And you don't think a True Anointed are needed to give inspired direction ? 

[Anna]

8 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Should we change the teachings of Jesus ?  

We're not changing any teachings silly, we are changing our understanding of them. 

[BroRando]

On 5/16/2021 at 7:54 PM, BroRando said:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days , the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven , and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. "( Matthew 24: 29-31 )

These things are no longer a future event but have been happening since 1914. Why?  Al l the tribes of the earth are beating beat themselves in grief.  Better times are ahead but not for everyone. Look at the signs that are actually manifestations of Christ's Presence. Even the FDS has a timeline. 1919 to 2039 page 11 of the eBook entitled The Sealing of the 144,000 ....

Read the rest of the article.

 

[Arauna]

4 hours ago, BroRando said:

Al l the tribes of the earth are beating beat themselves in grief. 

I do not completely agree - wait until there are food shortages and more lockdowns etc.... and more tyranny.  This is the beginning of the great tribulation.  If you know what happened in Jerusalem lockdowns (sieges) then you will have a good inkling of what is waiting for mankind on a worldwide scale.

[Arauna]

When the flood came - then people were in grief.  Up to that point they took no note.  Similarly today - there is a lockdown and people are still unconcerned.  They think things will improve in future.  When food shortage hit and the tribulation - then they will be in grief.  Especially when religion is destroyed!

 

[Witness]

11 hours ago, BroRando said:

Even the FDS has a timeline.

Can you explain it here?

[Anna]

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

Especially when religion is destroyed!

The thing is, what do we imagine this actually means in practice? We used to say that Babylon the great was  "destroyed" in 1914 because supposedly its "power" was removed and enabled true religion to come out from it's bondage to false beliefs. So what do we imagine it means now? For governments to turn on religion and literally "destroy" it seems a very far fetched concept, especially where the religion IS an intrinsic part of a government such as Islam. Also, the United States have religious freedom written into their beloved constitution. What about India? How would Hinduism be "destroyed" there? And what about Catholicism in Italy, Brazil etc. where it plays a major part in historical traditions? The masses are not able to be controlled by anyone, especially not in representative democratic countries. Try stopping someone practicing their religion in those countries. The only way this could happen is if they all became socialist dictatorships.....and then banned all forms if religion, totally. I don't envisage any of this happening in the near future, realistically. 

[BroRando]

The understanding is that in 1919 the fiery message was given to the anointed governing body to expose Babylon's doctrines.  This fiery message did expose the trinity, eternal hellfire, and immortal soul, to the masses and the good news of God's Kingdom continues until the end comes.  However, in 1919 the angels would become the reapers to bundle up those causing stumbling to be pitched into the fiery furnace. Thus, the separation work of the weeds began in 1919 but this too has a timeline.  It looks like it will parallel the time the anointed of the remnant are summoned to heaven.

God’s Kingdom Quietly Removes Its Enemies since 1919.... Such ones are already dying the second death of everlasting destruction.  That is where their gnashing of teeth will be... 

[Arauna]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/ws20130715/jesus-parable-wheat-and-weeds/

Just to clarify: The weeds have been separated since 1914. Matthew 13:42... at Armageddon those weeds still living are thrown into the fire.... 

6 hours ago, BroRando said:

re already dying the second death of everlasting destruction. 

Al humans are in state of death but these do not have a future if they have sinned against the spirit of Jehovah. This leads to 2nd death when they die - prior, or during armageddon.

 

7 hours ago, Anna said:

We used to say that Babylon the great was  "destroyed" in 1914 because

We used to say it has 'fallen' - because its false teachings were widely exposed and the true wheat were freed from its false teachings.  It will be destroyed at Armageddon.

 

[Arauna]

7 hours ago, Anna said:

way this could happen is if they all became socialist dictatorships.....and then banned all forms if religion,

The united nations is bringing in an electronic money system and a covid-19 passport dictatorship which will surveille everyone - including what they will buy or sell. 3rd world countries are now receiving help from the IMF etc to survive Corona.  There are predatory strings attached to them receiving financial help.  They have to tow the line. It is very possible that by 2030 the UN Agenda 2030 will be fully implemented.  Biden is accelerating UN Agenda 2030 with all his executive orders for sustainable development. The emergency powers given by Trump has played into the hands of the World Economic Forum - which has an agreement with UN to assist with money to have the UN plan implemented ........ to bring world 'peace and security' and the earth saved by "sustainability'........

[BroRando]

1 hour ago, WyattEarp said:

Hope to hear about the trinity response.

Guess you never heard about Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod and the tower of Babel?  The trinity was a pervious pagan teaching prior to 381 CE.  The pagan roman emperor, sun god worshiper (aka First Pope) adopted it has a Christendom doctrine.  The Apostasy began towards the end of the first Century then under the guise of Catholicism then branched off into some 3,000 cults that deny Jesus as the Christ the son of the living God. (Mathew 16:16). Otherwise known as the Man of Lawlessness or Christendom. 

[Witness]

1 hour ago, BroRando said:

Guess you never heard about Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod and the tower of Babel?  The trinity was a pervious pagan teaching prior to 381 CE.  The pagan roman emperor, sun god worshiper (aka First Pope) adopted it has a Christendom doctrine.  The Apostasy began towards the end of the first Century then under the guise of Catholicism then branched off into some 3,000 cults that deny Jesus as the Christ the son of the living God. (Mathew 16:16). Otherwise known as the Man of Lawlessness or Christendom. 

Man of Lawlessness = Christendom?  

2 Thess 2:1-4 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

What is God's Temple?  I'll let you answer that:

“The Sealing of the 144,000 Is At Hand”…

The scriptures do indicate some insight to what he meant,  "But he was talking about the temple of his body." (John 2:21)  Notice the scripture doesn't state his fleshly body for his fleshly body was to be sacrificed once and for all time, but rather 'the temple of his body.' 

If Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of God's temple, then there must be other stones? The scripture gives us evidence that others are also included as God’s temple that Jesus Christ himself would raise up. "Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16)  Again, this did not happen in a 72 hour period but rather the process of raising up the foundation of the living stones began on Pentecost 33 CE. 

The Apostle Peter referred to the temple by stating, "As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God, you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:4-5)

Can the Body of Christ be the same as God’s temple? Yes. “Just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ.” (1 Cor 12:12)  "For just as we have in one body many members, but the members do not all have the same function, so we, although many, are one body in union with Christ, but individually we are members belonging to one another." (Romans 12:4) 

 So when can the 144,000 of God’s temple be raised up?

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Can you explain how Christendom will or has, "set himself up", which means "rule" over the anointed Temple of God?

Who has authority over the anointed priesthood/Temple of God in the organization?  Who judges them, and acts as their "representative"?  Who utilizes their "clergy status" when it is convenient?

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 

Do you realize that it is the Wt which asserts that the "day of the Lord" has already come? 1914.