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16 hours ago, Witness said:

What am I making up?  

Everything as you go along! See the above example -   You have GB-OCD:- everything is interpreted through this lens!  No prophecy you utter does not have the GB in it!   The beast is the GB; the man of lawlessness is the GB; I can go on and on with so many examples!   The Beast is in the temple of god?  why do you  interpret it this way?.... Because your GB hate-OCD dictates it is the .... wait for it...... the GB..... 

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19 minutes ago, Arauna said:

The beast is the GB; the man of lawlessness is the GB; I can go on and on with so many examples!   The Beast is in the temple of god?  why do you  interpret it this way?....

The Beast from the earth (Rev 13:11) is the false prophet/Harlot/GB that " exercises all the authority of the first beast on its behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed."  "She" is a harlot because she has left her covenant with God and Christ.  (Deut 14:2; Jer 13:27; Hos 9:1; Isa 1:21; Col 2:18,19)

The "first beast" is an organization, as the Wt has called it.  IT is the "man of lawlessness".  

Rev 13:18 -  "This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, because it is the number of a man. Its number is 666." 

THIS beast from the "Gentile" sea (Isa 57:20; Rev 13:1) "makes war" with the saints/anointed.  It "blasphemes the sanctuary/temple of God". (Rev 13:5-7)  It is the "man of lawlessness" described in 2 Thess 2:3,4.  The man of lawlessness has "set itself up" in the Temple of God.   It is not a literal temple, it is built on the chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ, and the apostles as its foundation.  Each "living stone"/anointed priest are of that Temple.  Read the scriptures - 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22.  

Rev 11:1-3 - Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go[and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. 2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations, ("Gentiles") and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. 3 I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.”

This explains the "man of lawlessness" dominating the "living stones" of the Temple of God in the anointed ones.   THEY are the "holy city"/"New Jerusalem" (Gal 4:26)

The only "Gentiles" that have authority over the anointed, are the elders in the organization WHERE THE ANOINTED ARE FOUND.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

God supposedly wants man to love him with all his heart. Love is the most sacred quality, because God is love.

For I am the Lord who brought you up from the land of Egypt to be your God; thus you shall be holy, for I am holy.’”  Lev 11:45

13 "Therefore, with your minds ready for action, be sober-minded and set your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the desires of your former ignorance. 15 But as the one who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct; 16 for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy."

We were there once, in ignorance.  Everyone who cares to love the Father and the Son are "called" out of that state of ignorance.  

"Everyone the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never cast out."  John 6:37

Jesus answered, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."  John 14:23

"Being asked by the Pharisees when God’s Kingdom would come, he answered them, “God’s Kingdom doesn’t come with observation; 21 neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”  Luke 17:20,21

 

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53 minutes ago, Arauna said:

No prophecy you utter does not have the GB in it! 

Exactly. The woman’s deranged.

The way to look at wild beast prophesies is as you have often said—the agency that comes into it’s own as humanistic ideologues put it to powerful use. 

“Now, the fly in the ointment of saying that international organization for bringing peace and security to the world, presuming to do what only God’s kingdom can do and thus betraying its ‘blasphemous’ nature—the fly in the ointment of saying that international organization is the mighty eighth king that draws its power from the seven is that it sure doesn’t act mighty. The sky-blue helmeted troops that nobody pays any attention to trying to enforce peace, whereas everybody knows you don’t put troops in sky-blue helmets. I mean, they’re sort of like Boy Scouts—they mean well but are not to be taken seriously. 

Maybe what must be done is reappraise the beast giving breath (Revelation 13:15) to the image of the beast, and figure just when does it do that? At its creation, yes, first as its 1919 forerunner League of Nations, then, after it goes into the abyss and re-emerges, as the United Nations, yes, then it “tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived.” (Vs 14) 

But there’s not a lot more breath breathed into it. You don’t breathe life into it while the harlot is riding high, hailing it as the “political expression of God’s kingdom on earth” at exactly the same time as Jehovah’s Witnesses are galvanized to “advertise, advertise, advertise the [real] king and his kingdom. You breathe life into it once is has grown weary of the harlot and is showing signs of bucking it—once the dominant culture has turned atheistic.

You don’t breathe life into it until the times immediately ahead? That humanistic framework is put in place as of the image’s founding, and then not much is done with it—until what is just ahead of us? Is it with the UN Agenda 2030 that life is breathed into it, and with that human scheme “the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast [as] It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead, and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.”  (Vs 15-18)

The humanistic way of saving the earth—tamp down that population growth. What can be better than pushing sexual conduct that won’t result in babies? Cool down that planet. How better to do it than squeezing out fossil fuels so that sun and wind will pick up the slack and if it doesn’t—well then, adjust. Redistribute that money. How better to do it that destroying the economy and re-emerging it in a great reset? Tamp down those freedoms people fixate on—they can’t handle them. Remake religion so that it’s ‘my way or the highway’—if it comes on board for backing human schemes, it can stay for now.

None of this can be done openly, for people love their own comfort and they love their own nations. They won’t stand by to see them eviscerated. It must be done clandestinely and it must be done by trillionaires—nobody else would have the wherewithal to pull it off. Oh, yeah—plenty of conspiracies can be spun from this. The problem with conspiracy theories is that, once a few of them turn out to be true, you tend to believe anything that comes down the pipe.

Some of the current conspiracy theories involve COVID 19, its origin, its trajectory, and regimens to deal with it. I’ve read the Breggin and the Mercola books and they do make for good reads—both of them heavily endnoted. The trouble is their solution to thwarting a conspiracy always lies in reverting to the status quo—as if all was hunky dory before COVID-19 revealed itself. Breggin keeps referring to those who benefit—and there are those who benefit enormously—as “global predators”fixated on their own “power, wealth, and self-aggrandizement.” If he says it once, he says it a dozen times. Why does he do that? They are humans fixing the planet—the humanistic way. 

On the other hand, the nations of this earth always paint themselves with laudable goals. They never paint themselves as beasts. Yet that is how the Bible paints them, for that is how they behave—ripping, tearing, and devouring each other and whoever is caught in the crossfire. Sometimes they even turn on their own citizens in the guise of helping them. So maybe Breggin is on to something after all.”

(from https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2021/12/doesnt-that-new-wild-beast-look-an-awful-lot-like-the-bible-wild-beasts.html )

 

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The way to look at wild beast prophesies is as you have often said—the agency that comes into it’s own as humanistic ideologues put it to powerful use. 

That  explains the rise of the Wt organization that you love, perfectly!  The Divine Plan of the Ages!  Perhaps not so divine, but more of a plan to "capture".  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)  Powerful use?  Yes against the anointed Temple of God, those under the New Covenant promise/"woman".  (Gal 4:23-26; Rev 12:1-4; 13:1,2)

Why do You make men like fish of the sea, (Isa 57:20; Rev 13:1)
Like creeping things that have no ruler over them?

15 They take up all of them with a hook,
They catch them in their net,
And gather them in their dragnet.
Therefore they rejoice and are glad.
16 Therefore they sacrifice to their net,
And burn incense to their dragnet; (“Jehovah’s organization”)
Because by them their share is sumptuous
And their food plentiful.
17 Shall they therefore empty their net,
And continue to slay nations without pity?  Hab 1:15-17

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,  which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away.  So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,  and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”  Matt 13:47-50

Ever consider your "preaching work" as a form of capturing people into Satan's dragnet?   Can you honestly say that you have always preached "truth" - the authentic truth in Jesus Christ?  Or, "empty philosophy" of failed doctrine?  Why would anyone be proud and arrogant of such a preaching work?  

These scriptures identify your leaders and what traits have been instilled in JWs:

"You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time. 2 People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, 3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. 4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.

6 Some of these men go into homes and mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth.

8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone."  2 Tim 3:1-9

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The woman’s deranged.

Perhaps Russell was deranged, and Rutherford for building Beth Sarim...and Franz for promoting 1975, and then blaming JWs for its failure. 

"In 1976, Fred Franz, Society vice president, spoke to a large audience in Toronto, Canada, and asked a rhetorical question:

"'Do you know why nothing happened in 1975?  Then, pointing at his audience, he shouted:  'It was because you expected something to happen'" (Apocalypse Delayed, Penton, 1986, p. 100)

The present GB, are absolutely deranged as well.  Their consciences are corrupted.

"Everything is clean to those who are clean. But nothing is clean to corrupt unbelievers. Indeed, their minds and their consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit to do anything good."  Titus 1:15,16

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56 minutes ago, Witness said:

Why do You make men like fish of the sea

Because Jesus portrays them that way. (Luke 5)

Come come, tell the truth and shame the Devil.

The WT explanation of the wild beast is instantly recognizable. You don’t have to agree with that interpretation to see how the International agency for peace and security is “an image” of the various governments and how it derives its power from them, and that through it ALL the nations  (ten horns) briefly combine to rule.

Your interpretation? It is that of the leadership of a religion that represents 1/1000th of the world population that even now, most are only vaguely familiar with and many have never heard of it at all. Seriously? Whereas the WT interpretation is recognizable worldwide, very few people have any idea of what “anointed” Christians are. They don’t even know what it is, and yet your grudge against them comprises the cornerstone of your belief system.

It’s just you playing Marvel Avenger evil superanointed heroes battling Marvel Avenger good superanointed heroes for who gets preaching dominion over the little people of the world.

It’s just pure loony—you playing out your grudge at tireless and tiresome length—making as though it was the very central theme of the Bible’s climax.

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18 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The WT explanation of the wild beast is instantly recognizable.

Most of Christendom 'generally' believes as you do about the Beasts.  Does that make it right?

Luke 17:20 -  Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed

So, should the interpretation of the Beasts be "instantly recognizable, especially since they are empowered by the devil?  1 Pet 5:8; Rev 13:14

And the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and to test him they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. He answered them, “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.’ And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.  Matt 16:1-3

And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that

“‘they may indeed see but not perceive,
    and may indeed hear but not understand,
lest they should turn and be forgiven.’”  Mark 4:10-12

We use scripture to interpret scripture.  Anything else used to interpret its "signs", are fabrications from the minds of men.

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21 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

very few people have any idea of what “anointed” Christians are. They don’t even know what it is, and yet your grudge against them comprises the cornerstone of your belief system.

Who are "they"?  Your leaders? Or, people in the world?  You've actually shown that the UN cannot be the Beast (Rev 13:5-7) that "makes war with the saints", because they don't even know who the anointed are.  

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27 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

t’s just you playing Marvel Avenger evil superanointed heroes battling Marvel Avenger good superanointed heroes for who gets preaching dominion over the little people of the world.

It’s just pure loony—you playing out your grudge at tireless and tiresome length—making as though it was the very central theme of the Bible’s climax.

That's basically the end war - those on the side of Christ and his truth, battling against those on the side of Satan and his lies.  You just have to decide which side you prefer to stand with.  (Rev 12:7; Joel 3:14; Rev 18:4-8)

When God sent his servants to proclaim the sins of His people, they never let up, did they. Rev 11:1-3

 

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

Why do You make men like fish of the sea, (Isa 57:20

This same scripture that you quote says - WICKED men are like the sea - "  “But the wicked are like the restless sea that cannot calm down, And its waters keep tossing up seaweed and mire.  (You are a very sloppy bible student - as I have said before).  YOu throw everything together and hope it makes sense...... 

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

hat's basically the end war - those on the side of Christ and his truth, battling against those on the side of Satan and his lies.

The end war is between imperfect wicked HUMAN governments (under Satan - 666) versus Jesus Christ - the appointed King of Jehovah.  This is clear from scripture.   You are sloppy again.  Read Revelation 19 where it discusses the destruction during Armageddon!

"And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.g 20  And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false propheth that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beasti and those who worship its image.j While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur.k 21  But the rest were killed off with the long sword that proceeded out of the mouth of the one seated on the horse.l And all the birds were filled with their flesh.m

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