THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG

[Witness]

"Therefore Gog still represents, not a visible human ruler or nation, such as Russia, but a spirit ruler. Whom, then, does Gog symbolize?   It is evident now that Gog is a figure prophetic of the ruler of all seven demon princes, namely, Satan the Devil." w53 10/1 p. 583

"However, recent Bible investigation has proved that Gog of Magog is a prophetic symbol of the false god of this world, Satan the Devil, when making his final attack upon the Christian witnesses of God’s kingdom of heaven."  w60 4/15 p. 243

"Gog is “the ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil. He received the name Gog after his ouster from heaven, following the Kingdom’s birth in 1914. (John 12:31) “The land of Magog” is the location to which Gog and his demons are confined in the vicinity of the earth. w88 9/15 p. 24-25"

"Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased position since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but he will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be."  w03 6/1 p. 20-21

"When we compare all these Bible references about the final attack on God’s people, it is clear that the name Gog of Magog does not refer to Satan. Instead, Gog of Magog refers to a group of nations. ws15 5/15 p. 27-28

Although it was proven by "Bible investigation" that Gog is Satan and Magog IS the location where Gog and his demons are confined on the earth (!), the leadership of the organization was preaching a falsehood, for over 70 years.  NOW, it is evidently  CLEAR  that Gog of Magog DOES NOT REFER TO SATAN.

Will any teaching by the Watchtower be proven as clear and truthful?  Think about it, JWs.  If this organization was blessed by God's Holy Spirit, would that Spirit mislead its leaders into telling a falsehood for over seventy years?  It was once proven that Gog was Satan; will it be proven in ten year's time that what was once CLEAR TRUTH about "Gog" now being a coalition of nation, will be found to be a falsehood?  

"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."  John 16:13

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

50 minutes ago, Witness said:

"Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased position since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but he will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be."  w03 6/1 p. 20-21

Here is another strange thought. They say that satan is a spiritual creature and therefore cannot act on the physical world !?

quote continue: , but he will use human agencies to do his deeds.

Such a statement nullifies any possibility that Jesus and the angels will execute a "final judgment" on "evil men" aka "goats." According to Bible interpretations of WTJWorg Jesus and angels are "spiritual creatures" too, and they as such also belongs to ..... as a spirit creature/s, he/they cannot carry out his/their attack directly .....

The WT text suggests that spiritual forces (evil and good) actually influence people to perform some action for the benefit of the spirit world. So let's put it this way; satan and demons will inspire one evil group of people against another evil group of people to destroy each other. For what purpose? How would only JW members remain? Who then will attack the JW, because that is how the JW preaches? Gog from Magog, say JW. But Gog of Magog are united evil people / nations (human agencies, as they named them) ..... who have already destroyed each other.  Even before the "last attack" on JW.

Moreover, if according to such an interpretation, angels cannot physically act on the literal world, then they never could, so the biblical accounts of such events in the past are fiction.

Therefore, this "outdated" interpretation of Gog and Magog also promotes another idea/interpretation that has not been so pronounced so far, at least not visible to me, in which they claims; "Angels are not able to physically act on people."

Picture and quote, for example this one, is contradiction then.

Jesus and his heavenly army will soon ride into the war of Armageddon to destroy God’s enemies! (See paragraph 17)

- https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2019/stay-faithful-through-great-tribulation/

[Dmitar]

8 hours ago, Witness said:

Although it was proven by "Bible investigation" that Gog is Satan and Magog IS the location where Gog and his demons are confined on the earth (!), the leadership of the organization was preaching a falsehood

Then, this must include the 4 women bloggers that have become your spiritual leaders about preaching falsehoods.

[Dmitar]

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Here is another strange thought. They say that satan is a spiritual creature and therefore cannot act on the physical world !?

quote continue: , but he will use human agencies to do his deeds.

Can you explain your contradictory statement? It is a strange thought, since a Thinking Christian understands there were Nephilim's on earth after having relations with the daughters of man. Genesis 6:1-4

What point in time are you referring to, and in what sense can Satan not influence man or his earthly agencies?
16:17-20

To conclude this warning Paul added the promise, The God of peace (cf. 15:33; Heb 13:20) will soon crush Satan under your feet (cf. Gen 3:15). The false teachers (Rom 16:17-18) were under Satan's influence, but he will be destroyed and God will establish peace (Rev 20:1-6). Then Paul gave another benediction (cf. Rom 15:13,33) about God's grace. (See the chart, "Paul's Concluding Benedictions in His Epistles.") 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

46 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Here is another strange thought. They say that satan is a spiritual creature and therefore cannot act on the physical world !?

quote continue: , but he will use human agencies to do his deeds.

Can you explain your contradictory statement? It is a strange thought, since a Thinking Christian understands there were Nephilim's on earth after having relations with the daughters of man. Genesis 6:1-4

What point in time are you referring to, and in what sense can Satan not influence man or his earthly agencies?
16:17-20

To conclude this warning Paul added the promise, The God of peace (cf. 15:33; Heb 13:20) will soon crush Satan under your feet (cf. Gen 3:15). The false teachers (Rom 16:17-18) were under Satan's influence, but he will be destroyed and God will establish peace (Rev 20:1-6). Then Paul gave another benediction (cf. Rom 15:13,33) about God's grace. (See the chart, "Paul's Concluding Benedictions in His Epistles.") 

WTJWorg have contradictory statements, not me.  Please, read quotes from WT magazines provided in previous comments, of which I used just one quote to show discrepancy and contradiction.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

and in what sense can Satan not influence man or his earthly agencies?
16:17-20

Oh Dimmy, Billy, Allen, you make yourself look so stupid. You twist people's words and you think no one will notice it.

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

They (the Watchtower/ JW Org) say that satan is a spiritual creature and therefore cannot act on the physical world !?

Note Screko says 'cannot act on the physical world'   BUT Dimmy says 

"and in what sense can Satan not influence man or his earthly agencies? "

We can all see the twisting of words and meanings here. 

Srecko is talking about Satan not taking physical action, BUT Dimmy twists it to mean not having 'spritual or mental influence'. 

Dimmy, you are nothing but a trouble maker, BUT you do it in a funy way

 Keep trying Dimmy, you may become a comedienne one day. 

 

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Please, read quotes from WT magazines provided in previous comments, of which I used just one quote to show discrepancy and contradiction.

Does any revision from the 60s to the present be considered contradictory to those that twist their application of it? How do you find other religions, such as the Berean Bible Society, that has similar thoughts on scripture?

[Srecko Sostar]

4 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Does any revision from the 60s to the present be considered contradictory to those that twist their application of it? How do you find other religions, such as the Berean Bible Society, that has similar thoughts on scripture?

Revisions are a kind of contradiction. Take, for example, interpretations of "generation." Each new "revision" is contrary to the previous interpretation. So they are all contradictory to each other.

I am not interested in other religions, because all religions are the same. They want to have power over people. The conversation about this religion stems from only one fact. I used to be a member of this religion. I'm not anymore. This is just a part of mental / spiritual gymnastics, then certain types of loneliness and lack of interest in socializing with people who have a different history. There are probably some other reasons, but who will understand all this :).

[Dmitar]

30 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Oh Dimmy, Billy, Allen, you make yourself look so stupid. You twist people's words and you think no one will notice it.

I'm sad to see you did not keep your word, and you are now just an obnoxious fool, like @Pudgy Satan has really gotten a hold of you. The same kind of tasteless and foolishness you just posted. I guess you can't be civil.

What physical world can Satan not influence. Is there another physical world your mindless rant suggest?

36 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Note Screko says 'cannot act on the physical world'   BUT Dimmy says 

"and in what sense can Satan not influence man or his earthly agencies? "

How did I twist his post to mean something else? The one that twisted it, is yourself. Answer the question, what other PHYSICAL WORLD are you both now referring to, that Satan cannot influence. 

Do both of you understand the definition of the word, ACT?

1. Take action; do something: 2. Behave in the way specified:

 

[Dmitar]

3 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Revisions are a kind of contradiction. Take, for example, interpretations of "generation." Each new "revision" is contrary to the previous interpretation. So they are all contradictory to each other.

Thank you for being civil with your answers. Can we agree this would be left up to the interpreter? As you stated, "it's kind of" which would mean, a revision can also be interpreted as "increased knowledge" on a subject.

8 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

This is just a part of mental / spiritual gymnastics, then certain types of loneliness and lack of interest in socializing with people who have a different history. There are probably some other reasons, but who will understand all this :).

If this is your only endeavor, wouldn't it be profitable for you to at least educate yourself while still wondering what to do with your life?

I am always willing to listen. Private chat, email, etc. Don't be influenced by the negativity this place has to offer.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

Thank you for being civil with your answers. Can we agree this would be left up to the interpreter? As you stated, "it's kind of" which would mean, a revision can also be interpreted as "increased knowledge" on a subject.

You forget the fact that religious leaders like to see themselves as God's representatives and as the only ones who know how to understand God's words.

In light of this fact, which you forgot for some inexplicable reason, WTJWorg and their Main Ecclesiastical Body constantly claim to be “guided by HS”, or in other words, that the all and every interpretations presented by them, came from God.

With this clarity of the real situation, the term “revision” or "increased knowledge" takes on a real meaning. For it is hard to believe that God would have been the one to revise his own “dogma”. It, "revisions", is the product of manipulators who are at the forefront of religion.

2 hours ago, Dmitar said:

I am always willing to listen. Private chat, email, etc. Don't be influenced by the negativity this place has to offer

Thanks but No. I don't belong to your "flock"  

[Dmitar]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You forget the fact that religious leaders like to see themselves as God's representatives and as the only ones who know how to understand God's words.

Can you explain your stance here, since all Christians are representative of God? Is there a distinction within the body of Christ? An if so, Why?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

In light of this fact, which you forgot for some inexplicable reason, WTJWorg and their Main Ecclesiastical Body constantly claim to be “guided by HS”, or in other words, that the all and every interpretations presented by them, came from God.

Won't the same question apply to the Ecclesiastical Body under Christ? Shouldn't all Christina's by guided by God's Holy Spirit? Why do you believe, it should be different to that particular body? Wouldn't "witness" and the 4 women be considered the same way, then?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

With this clarity of the real situation, the term “revision” or "increased knowledge" takes on a real meaning. For it is hard to believe that God would have been the one to revise his own “dogma”. It, "revisions", is the product of manipulators who are at the forefront of religion.

Why do you believe Jesus didn't revise the laws of the Jews that didn't conform to canonical law? Wasn't that the reason, why certain ecclesiastical bodies joined together in order to condemn, and prosecute Jesus?

Preface

But the last revision of Robinson's Gesenius was made in 1854, and Robinson died in 1863. The last English edition of Gesenius, prepared by Tregelles, and likewise including additions from the Thesaurus, dates as far back as 1859. In the meantime Semitic studies have been pursued on all hands with energy and success. 
(from Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon)
 

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Thanks but No. I don't belong to your "flock"

I respect your decision, however, I don't belong to any flock here, as you are well aware. 😏 Enjoy your evening with a peaceful rest.