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[Pudgy]

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[Arauna]

You have so many theories that do not make sense because the premise is wrong:  Jehovah did not need to use evolution to create (which according to theory happened all by chance with no purpose); and as you know the number of years is the main part of the theory to get evolution to work (yet 5 billion years could still not create one cell), s o they came up with multiple universes to increase the "chances" of life emerging; and the argon test and carbon 14 test has too many adjustments to the calculations - flaws. 

Fossils are not as old as they say - because they now find blood vessels and collagen in the fossilized bones (repeated experiments).  This does not get much publicity-  only the theories they dub "facts" gets much publicity due to scientism being the new world religion - replacing our creator.

DNA evidence is emerging which indicates that one can calculate the number of generations through the number of mutations per generation.  Human life goes back to 3 branches (on the mitochondrial DNA which comes from the mother)......  after the flood.  They are even writing papers on this now...... but it does not get much publicity. 

One male DNA line for male chromosome. 

 

[Pudgy]

Can you explain layers of fossils miles thick, and the explosions of new life every 60 million years or so (?), what is referred to as “punctuated evolution”?

I think Jehovah guided it all, as I previously explained. He may also have directed the meteorite that struck the Yucatán Peninsula, wiping out 95% of all life on Earth.

 

 

Or just search “Mass Extinctions” …..

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Jehovah did not need to use evolution to create (which according to theory happened all by chance with no purpose);

If the figures on the age of the universe and the events in it are not accurate, because some say that the figures on the age of events on Earth are not accurate, it would mean that science cannot reliably claim or assume anything.
This means that even WTJWorg cannot rely reliably on scientific methods, not only when it comes to astronomy and space but also medicine and other scientific disciplines, then it is really ironic that WTJWorg literature deals with topics covered by scientists and that they publishes together with the religious content of his journals, giving them this or that conclusion.

Scientists have telescopes, these on Earth and those that travel through space, and they say that they are watching this or that (star explosion, merging galaxies and everything else), and that what they see now actually happened many millions of years ago. If the figures on the age of the Earth are not accurate, as you claim, then neither these figures on the age of the universe are reliable or accurate, because they come from “science”.
If, on the other hand, it is true that scientists see the current, present event (star explosions and galaxy mergers, etc.) through a telescope, then I would be interested to know what these events represent? That God continues to create the universe ... or to destroy it,..... or that he has long ago started processes unknown to us in other parts of the universe in which there is nothing but raw mass and energy?

[Pudgy]

Thumbtack holes in a cardboard sky?

(and of COURSE ….. “turtles … all the way down!”

[Pudgy]

35 minutes ago, Peter Carroll said:

 some simple bible res

some simple lazy bible research solves this question

https://apologeticspress.org/the-land-of-nod-696/

Apparently you did not read the link you posted, because if you had you would have seen that everything he talks about is supposition and guesses about a very different situation than the one I proposed.

Additionally his guesses, presumptions, and assumptions he finds logical, while condemning other peoples guesses presumptions and assumptions, but it any rate the premise that he is working off of it’s not the same as mine.

You may want to reread the link that you posted to see what hard facts the author has, which are sorely lacking, invalidating his entire argument, not counting the fact that it’s based on false presumption compared to my own.

I proposed “A”.
 

The author is arguing against “B”.

 

[Pudgy]

As usual, you completely misunderstood what I said, and instead introduced a false assumption, an appeal to the mob mentality, and an insult as a defense.

[Pudgy]

7 minutes ago, Peter Carroll said:

again trying to go off topic ,i know the truth hurts ,the bible has no false assumptions ,if you dont like going up against christians perhaps look for another planet to live on ,we will be around for along time

 

14 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

As usual, you completely misunderstood what I said, and instead introduced a false assumption, an appeal to the mob mentality, and an insult as a defense.

…. and with your last post, it again PROVES my last post.

[Arauna]

3 hours ago, Pudgy said:

an you explain layers of fossils miles thick, a

Yes. I can.......  the flood was a catastrophic event with the earth ripping open (under the sea) to expose the underground water and even lava coming up.  The sea pushed up and created tsunamis which rolled forward and later retracted.  If you look at the land mass of North America and the situation of the mass graves, you will find that most of the animals are in two very long graves (trenches) which are hundreds miles long.  This was when the water pushed whole ecosystems into gullies.   These animals are often twisted into positions which indicate a mass extinction event..... (scientists try to show it is a meteor).... but a meteor does not deposit large animals into a long gully hundreds of miles long -water does. 

They found a kind of bark in much of the coal.  This was made by  trees floating on water, rolling against each other and loosing its bark.....the bark floats down to the bottom of the water where there is little oxygen and the heavy pressure of the water does its work. Coal forms in conditions with much pressure. Carrying a pail of water tells one how heavy water is. The flood was a year long... so floating things get water logged ad sink. 

If animals were lying out in the open for thousands of years waiting for layers of ground to cover them - would the majority of them not be partially eaten by other carnivorous birds or carrion feeders who in the meantime proliferate?  On the other hand we see that birds no longer had a place to fly to and also succumbed to the prevailing conditions. (when evolutionists find one single bone with teeth marks on it, it becomes major news.  LOL ...  and the proven 'fact' of evolution once again receives its propaganda.

Most of the deposits of fossils have adult animals with very few babies with them.  This also indicates an event where animals were running to higher ground or a place of safety and were caught up with.  What about the mountainous deposits which have layers of earth with sea shells  in it.  (the layers of the grand canyon is a good example).  layer upon layer was quickly formed due to the weigh of the water. 

The evidence is overwhelming for a catastrophic flood.  Evolutionists do not speak of the deposits that have contemporary animals with them...  I have read of a pit with contemporary animals and prehistoric animals together..... 

There are many anomalies in the evolution theory that can easily be explained if one explains it as a catastrophic flood.

 

[Arauna]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

mean that science cannot reliably claim or assume anything.

True - they equate science with truth.... but they forget that IMPERFECT humans are making the assumptions these theories are based upon.  Most of them are theory upon theory but the conclusions are defective because the premise is inaccurate. Mathematics is also a language to express things which cannot be said in verbal language.  Does it mean that every equation is truth / reality?   NO.  Much of science is unproven and only theory.  Any scientist that tells you that they know it all, is a liar.   Where did the energy in our universe, and the energy within the matter come from? - is still not proven!  

Jehovah is the source of all dynamic energy and his intelligence organized the matter and the natural laws we see in nature.

 

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

WTJWorg cannot rely reliably on scientific methods

Most of the "scientific" methods" in evolution are the highly imaginative imaginations of illustrators and scientists.  The scientific methods is: to repeat an experiment to get the same results - this does NOT apply to the theory of evolution.  To do that you have to be able to go back in time.  When ones DOES go back in time and look at the EVIDENCE in the fossils -   one sees that the theory does not line up with the REALITIES in the fossil record and the Geological record.

Therefore the GB use science which has been through the true scientific method.

This is why I call evolution a quasi-science...... pseudo science, a cult or a religion... or something to that effect.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If the figures on the age of the Earth are not accurate, as you claim, then neither these figures on the age of the universe are reliable or accurate, because they come from “science”.

The universe came into being very long ago - and the earth was part of that.  Afterward, at the right time, the earth was prepared for humans to live on.   That is why ALL the days of creation is spoken of in the bible as one DAY.  It is not a 24 hour day.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

other parts of the universe in which there is nothing but raw mass and energy?

Science teaches that all mass is energy.  How can we be sure? Well, burn a planet, a human, and animal or a house - it releases energy or heat.  For Jehovah to create the universe he organized his energy to create mass out of his energy.  There was nothing and then there was creation because energy was used.  Time and 3 dimensional space came into being in our physical universe which has mass.  Jehovah is timeless and has no mass. He himself says so! How is that for accuracy of science! Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom.... 

 

[Arauna]

Cain and his brother Abel were the first of a number of children born to Eve. (Genesis 4:1, 2) When Cain was banished for killing his brother, he complained: “Anyone who finds me will certainly kill me.” (Genesis 4:14) Of whom was Cain afraid? The Bible says that Adam “became father to sons and daughters.” (Genesis 5:4) Evidently, these other descendants of Adam and Eve could have posed a threat to Cain.

Math is interesting but "exponential" math even more interesting.  How a  few people within 150 years can become a nation.  This is what happened in the country I come from.  South Africa grew into a massive nation within 150 years. 

If one thinks that is a girl is ready at 15 to have children and those children within a few years can grow to a large group.

The insight book actually demonstrates exponential math:  If 20 billion people ever lived on the earth and Jehovah decides to give each one of them a resurrection.....   He resurrects a number of people who can be taught by those on earth who lived through Armageddon. and then after 33 years, he resurrects a new lot........to be taught by the original number and those who were educated to obey Jehovah...... How many ears will it take to resurrect the whole 20 billion?   500 years. 

This also applies to the number of people and animals after the flood, as well as to the children of Adam. 

 

[Arauna]

Lol - you know I meant years!