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22 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Jesus - set the example for us to obtain the best results. 

True, however, these times are not Jesus time. If we have studied the bible for such a longtime, then we should know the best approach for those that condemn. 

If we are uncomfortable answering scathing remarks, what good has all that studying done? Mark 13:13

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9 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

Therefore, they are described by the terms Gog and Magog,

We can see, that the Org is not the only one making sense of the bible.

All things in the Bible 2006

Jesus also quoted many of the prophets in his references to the Day of the Lord, emphasizing that he was continuing the well-known tradition. Both Hebrew and Christian apocalyptic literature have references to the Day of the Lord or Judgment Day. As noted, the prophets looked forward to that time when God will come in judgment, the final battle against the forces of evil—“Israel’s final combat with the combined forces of the heathen nations under the leadership of Gog and Magog, barbarian tribes of the North” (Ezek. 38–39). “Assembled for a fierce attack upon Israel in the mountains near Jerusalem, they will suffer a terrible and crushing defeat, and Israel’s land will thenceforth forever remain the seat of God’s kingdom” (Kaufmann Kohler 2004). This final cataclysmic scene of Armageddon will end with the defeat of the heathen nations forever, and God’s kingdom will be established on earth. According to the New Testament writers, the New Jerusalem will be a city that needed no temple, for God himself will dwell in it. p.165

Aside from making a few adjustments to the wording like "Israel" to "Spiritual Israel" and the "barbarian tribes of the north" to "all nations" then we have confidence, the Org is interpreting the bible correctly. 

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2 hours ago, Arauna said:

For incase you have never read this - the above comes from Revelation 20.  Since it is clear that it is referring to the four corners of the earth!    it seems you rather pretend to ignore this scripture! ..... and proceed to make up your own stuff!

No, I didn't ignore it.  

“And they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the fortified camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and consumed them.”  Rev 20:9

Interpreted also as:

“way across the earth”

“breadth of the earth”

“expanse of the earth”

The anointed are from all nations, tribes and people.  (Rev 5:9,10) As are JWs. Rev 11:3,4,7-10

Jehovah’s Witnesses are in around 240 lands found over the “breadth of the earth”.  In every congregation where there may be an anointed one, who “takes the lead”?  The anointed one, or the elders?

“And he (“Jehovah”) wants those in the congregation to obey the elders. Wt 2/2021 pgs 14-19

“You can thus understand why elders in congregations around the globe earn their fellow Witnesses’ love, respect, and honor.” Wt 17/3/11

Any anointed in a congregation is “surrounded” by a body of elders who expects their obedience, love, and HONOR; because, they are told to expect it, by a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51)

The elders rule over the anointed.  Deut 17:15; Rev 9:4,5

There is no disputing it.  If anointed don’t accept their position, the position of the GB, the existence of the organization as belonging to God, their stance on doctrine, they are disfellowshipped. John 16:2; Rev 13:15

There is an evil I have seen under the sun,
As an error proceeding from the ruler:
Folly is set in exalted positions,
While the rich sit in a lowly place. (Prov 10:22;13:7; 2 Cor 8:9; Eph 1:7)
I have seen servants on horses,
While princes (Isa 10:8; Rev 5:9,10) walk on the ground like servants.  Eccl 10

Folly is set in exalted positions,
While the rich sit in a lowly place.

Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.” 2 Thess 2:3,4

 

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2 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

Are you faulting God for giving man a choice? Is God then a lie?

Nope.  Adam and Eve were perfect and sinned.  Wt's thousand year doctrine erases all faithfulness by those examples of imperfect people written in the Bible; examples we already have, and so many more kept in God's memory who will receive eternal life without being tested again.  JWs have no concept of Satan's deceptive powers, or how long he can wait it out before he leads people to their sudden death.  Deceit is used in Rev 20:7-9.  That can take a long time to develop. Use the birth and development of your organization as a template.   I am faulting your organization's leaders for convincing millions that they must become perfect to be tested by Satan.    This is bogus, as I already pointed out.  

God knows each of our heart's potential before we are ever born.  (Ps 58:3; Jer 1:5)

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2 hours ago, Arauna said:
5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

could prove your points purely by scripture,

Full blown hate=OCD again.....    ....  Same old same old rehash , rehash MO. 

I find it upbuilding to my faith in YHWH through Yesua that i am disliked by people on both sides.

I have just been in discussion with two homosexuals on facebook. I explained to them God's new world to come and of the coming Judgement time. And i gave them warning of what would happen to those that did not try to serve God properly. I was accused of 'hate crime'. 

And then I come on here and again I'm accused of hate, but this time it's by a JW that pretends to serve God.

I only hate the things that God hates. And if my suggestion of proving points by using scripture is seen as hate OCD, then so be it. 

May you all have peace.  

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Witness said:

Adam and Eve were perfect and sinned. 

Perfect people can be deceived....  which was the case in the Garden of Eden...  

Jehovah God then said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” The woman replied: “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”

The Cult of Pearl Doxey is a Ministry of Deception...  she never got anything correct.... and so does this commentor who tries to spin scripture to mean something other than what is stated...

She makes the false claim that there is no 1,000 years, then quotes the scripture, "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison," (Rev 20:7)

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2 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

we are uncomfortable answering scathing remarks,

I have never been uncomfortable in answering scathing remarks but it is a matter of showing wisdom in each situation.  We follow Jesus' example do we not?  Is Jesus' example not timeless? ... and wise? "

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"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, as ye go forth out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet."   
We know that Jesus used this saying as well: If you say that someone is casting pearls before swine, you mean that they are wasting their time by offering something that is helpful or valuable to someone who does not appreciate or understand it. 

 

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35 minutes ago, BroRando said:

She makes the false claim that there is no 1,000 years, then quotes the scripture, "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison," (Rev 20:7)

This is why I usually avoid this person.  Logic has evaporated.... 

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44 minutes ago, BroRando said:

The Cult of Pearl Doxey is a Ministry of Deception...  she never got anything correct.... and so does this commentor who tries to spin scripture to mean something other than what is stated...

She makes the false claim that there is no 1,000 years, then quotes the scripture, "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison," (Rev 20:7)

Why are you lying?  Pearl has never said that.  

The Remaining Ones - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-remaining-ones.html

And neither have I.

 

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

Nope.  Adam and Eve were perfect and sinned.  Wt's thousand year doctrine erases all faithfulness

I don't get your rationale. You're not blaming God and insist the 1000-year doctrine belongs to an organization, when it belongs in the bible, which in turn belongs to God.

Bible writers wrote, Adam and Eve made a choice of disobedience. How does that inspired word that's in all the bibles, including the KJV, belong to the WT?

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Use the birth and development of your organization as a template.   I am faulting your organization's leaders for convincing millions that they must become perfect to be tested by Satan.    This is bogus, as I already pointed out.  

We are all imperfect, including you. Should this mean, it's okay to sin? You seem to be at odds with what is written in Matthew 5:48. Why do you believe people should continue to be sinners and disobey God's words as Christians?

I think we are "all" overreaching on this topic. We should stick to the topic at hand.

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2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I find it upbuilding to my faith in YHWH through Yesua that i am disliked by people on both sides.

If this is true, commentator, why continue your hostility if you have peace of mind? Your personal action of down voting facts as described by many bible writers and experts indicate, you only believe what your hate dictates. That's not healthy in any case.

Sorry if the truth hurts your feelings. Perhaps this bible forum isn't suited for your kind of hate. You are making it personal and taking it personally. I to feel that way at times. This is why, I noted that in a previous post, perhaps it's time for me to find a better bible forum.

It appears hate runs both ways and the show here. If that's the case, I don't need Satan to control my life.

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3 hours ago, Arauna said:

have never been uncomfortable in answering scathing remarks but it is a matter of showing wisdom in each situation.  We follow Jesus' example do we not?  Is Jesus' example not timeless? ... and wise? "

How do we adapt that timeless wisdom of Jesus, as he did for those that were still under the Mosaic Law, to our time, without seeming invasive and dismissive of other's concern?

Wisdom is a good tool to expand on with discernment. Has it not been expressed on the local level? Reasoning plays a great role as well.

But, these are personal observations that have no relevance to the topic. We should continue with the topic above without personal distractions from all of us. So, we don't consider them personal to an impersonal discussion. 

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