John Clarke

5 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

OK, @John Clarke, I take it you are or have been a serving elder. I'm curious.

• How many child abuse allegations have your bodies of elders dealt with in your 65 years' membership as a JW?
• How many of those were reported to the police or child protection bodies by the elders? 
• How many abusers were disfellowshipped because of their abuse?
• How are JWs, who have been guilty of child abuse but not disfellowshipped, monitored in their interactions with young congregants and in the public preaching work?
• Do you reject the findings of the ARC which evidences a very different standard practice to the one you claim?

 

 

@TrueTomHarley - I can't make much sense of all your ranting, but I think it's basically jabbing fingers everywhere else but home. Seeing as this thread is centering on child abuse within the JW community, what measures do you think should be put in place to improve responses to child abuse allegations and to protect the victims from further harm?

Ann O'Maly. It seems to me that you just want to argue, If you have any Questions, go to the local Congregation and ask the Elders the same Questions. unless you Turned Apostate & are just looking to justify your actions, that's what it sounds like to me !Don't bother me any more, !  and to answer your Question True TomHarley,   ARMAGEDDON,

                                                     End of discussion ; 

I have been one of Jehovah's witnesses for over 65 years. And what you say is drastically wrong, since you are not part of J Ws, you are only guessing. as I have seen throughout the years the guilty ones( few though they are) are not allowed to infect any of the congregation members with their Un-Christian, behavior Un-like other religions that have merely moved their filthy Leaders & members to another area where they can continue on in their filth, we make sure that the record of their Behavior follows them where ever they may go through their life within the Christian Congregations, if this answer does not satisfy you. then maybe your just looking to argue, ( I hope not ) As for the authorities ! they are Quickly notified as to who the person is & given all the information on the individual, I hope this Information is relevant to your problem, If not ! then I would consider it finished as far as I am concerned , Sincerely John (Jack) Clarke

thanks for the Info & the red flags True tom Harley, I didn't read all of it (probally not enough) as you said, I've been there Before trying to reason with a person, However as much as we want to help, we have to remember no matter what subject we are trying to reason on : if they don't want to see it then that's up to them,I'll shake the dust off my feet on this one, Thanks Brother, It's like you said, some just try to tear down rather than build up ! Agape John( Jack) Clarke

On ‎2‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 10:03 AM, Ann O'Maly said:

Actually, the ARC found that wasn't so - not one alleged abuser was reported to the authorities, even though some states required it. E.g. I remember the consternation on Br. Spinks' face (Service Department) when it was put to him that they hadn't complied with NSW law about reporting if one has knowledge or a belief that a crime had been committed.

The Fessler case brought it to light that the Org did not comply with PA law by reporting the abuse. Not only that, but even when Watchtower has been court-ordered to produce documentation, it has done everything it can to wiggle out of or obstruct the production of documents, like with the Campos cases.

So it's fair to say that the general practice in the Org has been NOT to report suspected abuse to the secular authorities.

Where did you get the 'two-thirds' statistic from, by the way?

This is exactly why trained professionals should handle all allegations, rather than untrained elders. Besides, when laypersons bumble in, trying to ascertain the truth of an allegation, they can (unintentionally) corrupt any evidence-gathering which, in turn, compromises the case, making it harder to successfully resolve.

When there is a case of proven child abuse.  the guilty one is removed from the Christian Congregation ( Disfellowshiped)  and announced to the entire congregation that the guilty Party is no longer a member of the congregation, and the proper Legal authorities are informed, as well as other Congregations where the Wrongdoer may have had former contact, Look at the video on jw.org   jwbroadcasting under the title ,  we protect our children,  evidentally you may not have seen it, sincerely  john (jack) Clarke. thunterjack@comcast.net