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  2. Queen Esther

    HUNGER IN VENEZUELA ;-(( that is REAL...

    Queen Esther replied to Queen Esther's topic in Post a Photo

    REPORTS OF VENEZUELA..... They do not put any objection in fact the first boxes are sent to an old man who then took them to Bethel and they distributed it to some of the needy little brothers of the Southeast Victoria congregation I particularly meet in the betel salon and I know several elders This is in betel When the boxes arrived They are very grateful We are preparing other boxes but we also need to collaborate
  3. TrueTomHarley

    Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread

    TrueTomHarley replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    Your wish is my command. It is done. Download it anew to see.
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  5. Cos

    Jesus' Self-Witness

    Cos replied to Cos's topic in Controversial Posts

    Folks, The Scriptures show that Jesus claimed other prerogatives of God as well. Jesus even made direct claims. We note, in examining the Gospels, that the claims become more explicit in the latter stages of His ministry. In the beginning He allowed the people to draw inferences about Him from the power of His moral teaching and His miracles. In the later portions, however, the focus is much more upon Himself. In Matthew 25:31-46 He speaks of judging the world. He will sit on His glorious throne and divide the sheep from the goats. The power of judging the spiritual condition and assigning the eternal destiny of all people belongs to Him. Certainly this is something which only God can exercise. The authority which Jesus claimed and exercised is also clearly seen with respect to the Sabbath. The sacredness of the Sabbath had been established by God (Exod. 20:8-11). Only God could abrogate or modify this regulation. Yet consider what happened when Jesus’ disciples picked heads of grain on the Sabbath, and the Pharisees objected that the Sabbath regulations (at least their version of them) were being violated. Jesus responded by pointing out that David had violated one of the laws by eating of the bread reserved for the priests. Then, turning directly to the situation at hand, Jesus asserted: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27-28). He was clearly claiming the right to redefine the status of the Sabbath, a right which belongs only to God. <><
  6. Cos

    Jesus' Self-Witness

    Cos replied to Cos's topic in Controversial Posts

    Hello JW insider, Did the scribes reason correctly is what you are getting at, right? As I told “Gone” the fact is Jesus does not deny their inner thoughts, He nowhere rebuffs what they were thinking, which He could have done. I hope that helps. <><
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  8. Cos

    Jesus' Self-Witness

    Cos replied to Cos's topic in Controversial Posts

    Mr. Harley Please provide your reasoning for why you say that. I did! <><
  9. Cos

    Jesus' Self-Witness

    Cos replied to Cos's topic in Controversial Posts

    Hello Gone, You changed your pseudonym I see, if you don’t mind I’ll just call you “Gone” from now on as it’s a lot easier, OK? Firstly, I’m happy to hear that you are still following along on the other thread, stay tuned as there is much, much more evidence coming. Like the names Jamie or Chris, my name can be applied to both sexes. So is the person calling me a sister correct? For me it really is irrelevant. You know I could also ask, because you hide under your own nom de plume, are you male or female? Does it really matter anyway? Back to business; Jesus come as a man (John 1:14), and in doing so lay aside His former prerogatives (Phil. 2:6-8). This is clear from the Scriptures, Jesus is fully man, and therefore things such as authority must be given to one who is as much man as you and me. This is not in dispute. But you missed the fact that Jesus does not deny the inner thoughts of the scribes, instead He claims that very privilege of God for Himself, and that is what my post is getting at. Remember Jesus called the Kingdom of God “my Kingdom” and tells His contemporaries to put their faith in Him, and to Him they should offer their love. Bold words from someone you say is a creature. <><
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    Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread

    Nana Fofana replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    Evidently just one of the occupational hazards in the True Tom Harley game ! O.K., out of pity for your boredom with the sycophancy, I guess I can -grudgingly- set aside my worship long enough to point out- hoose·gow ˈho͞osɡou/ noun NORTH AMERICANinformal a prison. When I was back on that page, anyway, I think you had "hoosecow" instead. [unless maybe u meant as inside joke on 'the 'goyim' or something?]
  14. TrueTomHarley

    Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread

    TrueTomHarley replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    Not more praise and honors from @A Nice Guy. Sigh....this gets so old.
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    Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread

    A Nice Guy replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    I am very proud to say that I like everything about @TrueTomHarley. In fact, to say I am a sycophant of him is to sell me short. I find him - well, 'dashing.'
  17. AllenSmith

    Ever lose patience with recalcitrant contrarians ?

    AllenSmith replied to James Thomas Rook Jr.'s topic in Controversial Posts

    The simplest thing ANYONE can do is, keep Church and State separate, as described by scripture. That's it. It is being automatically ASSUMED by everyone here, the Watchtower is condoning such behavior due to its internal procedures. Those procedures ONLY apply to scriptural, spiritual matters. In my experience, MOST of the Elders, first have the victim decide what course of action they wish to take. Just like in the ARC case, where the victim was advised to go to the police, and she REFUSED, and she begged them NOT to turn in her father to the authorities. A personal decision she made with her mother present, and she also agreed. Yet, the ARC made sure to "deflect" that from their argument. This blue envelope conspiracy theory is a joke, and to have any secular judicial court underline it as fact! is a ridiculous notion, if they don't understand the internal procedures and its intent. Hiding, anything is NOT one of them. If that was the case, and the Watchtower wanted to HIDE anything, They wouldn't have submitted documents in Australia for secular judicial review. The disclosure of those documents could have been vacated by Australia's highest Court. So, the Watchtower, in general, is doing everything humanly possible to stay on message. Protect your children, and if you see or feel something out of place, report it. THAT IS EVERYONE'S OBLIGATION, not just a body of Elders or the Primary mission of the Governing Body. That responsibility is something they voluntarily accept! to keep their "primary" goal of keeping the congregation clean as described by scripture. So, this hate mongering around here is led by human emotion to exasperate that condition, simple as that! If anyone calls themselves a follower of Christ, then SHOW IT! and let the due process of the law take its course! ADDED Another thing to note. What, NPR, is being referenced? Law firm or Radio News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR_controversies
  18. Nana Fofana

    Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread

    Nana Fofana replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    But book still great! -Sort of interesting about that Mormon ambassador?
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  20. Space Merchant

    Ever lose patience with recalcitrant contrarians ?

    Space Merchant replied to James Thomas Rook Jr.'s topic in Controversial Posts

    One thing for certain, pedophilia is not only a mental problem, it is also a problem of which such people act out their ill intentions, as well as being the only customer of such persons who can provide such things by illegal means, for there is an even darker rabbit hole to such things that is not really known to the public and or the media itself. One thing that can be analyzed by this is that the church itself has done an internal investigation, how they went about doing this, we do not know, but if such reaps some sort of evidence or the like it can be used to go after those who commit the crimes - for the judge did order the group to produce internal information and or a testimony related to the problem itself. Now the focus is on a sole church of the faith in Montana, specifically Thompson Falls. 2 people, as the article states that they had been sexually abused as children, for it does say the following: the two Plaintiffs were sexually abused as children by a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses It would have given us a clue as the actual time-frame of said abuse but such information is not given and or this article lack the details for some reason and or they have never received such information, but if the abuse took place when these 2 persons in question were indeed children, then these individuals are possibly adults now. We also know the abuser is but a sole suspect, for so and so not only had access to the two victims when they were children, he must have also had a position of authority, being among the ranks of those in the church that act as Shepherds to the churchgoers, and obviously the members consist of infants, children, teens, adults, and the elderly. And in most cases, the abuse itself takes place outside of the church, rarely does it take place inside of a church, but in a well knitted community, such vile actions tend to take place outside of the church itself - for the role of an abuser is to commit the act and or act upon the urge whereas there is no one to witness the act, for one prerequisite has already been met, that is, earning the trust of the people and even the children, this includes the victim, this is what is taught in Child Abuse and Neglect PSA and media, at this point, it is very difficult to determine the motives and or actions of the abuser, let alone the signs, but only went it is too late, this will be realized. Next we have another point in the article: were aware of the abuse and failed to report it to the police, choosing instead to handle the reports and investigations internally pursuant to Jehovah’s Witness guidelines The thing that is not mention is the law in regard to child abuse itself. Ironically it tells a different story and the actions of those who to report the child abuse crimes to local authorities. There is no penalty for those who adhere to internal investigation, which seems to be the case and is done by religious institutions in Montana, mainly in the case of the Catholics, which in the past had some bizarre thing going on, which involved a victim being murdered. Other then that, the JWs are no different from anyone else who subject themselves to internal investigation, however, they and or the victim can speak out, which is the case with the numerous child abuse cases in Montana itself, for if the church does not do anything but gather some evidence, the victim(s) and or their families are obligated to make the report also. The biggest problem you also have is this: The Confessional Exception to States' Clergy Abuse Reporting Requirements Also here is the site in regards to the Laws in that specific area, child abuse information can be found here: https://statelaws.findlaw.com/montana-law.html Anyways, now we have: Their decision not to report the abuse to authorities allowed the perpetrator to remain in the congregation and continue to abuse one of the Plaintiffs. As said before in regards to the victim(s), and to the respects of Child Abuse and Neglect Education, if the abuser still remains, it is vital for the victim in question and or the guardians of the victim(s), be it parents, and or any blood relative, close family friend, they too can report this themselves to local authorities, no one is being stopped, for if a priest, a teacher, and or other is not that much of help and or such persons at least offer advise and or do a bit of investigation themselves, they tend not to report to the police, but it does not stop others from doing so. When an smart action is taken, it helps to zero in on the abuser, but not speaking of the matter when you know there is something that can be done will only cause more problems. Mainly if said abuser has earned the trust and respect of everyone else, including the victim's family and friends, thus putting the victim in a confused and hurt state, some victims will share what happen to them with a trusted adult, possibly more adults who will listen and one of these people will take action while others will advise. For if this was the case with other child abuse cases in Montana and suddenly it shifts in regards to a Christian group, that is expressing hypocrisy towards other victims who did take it a step further. Again, as I said time and time again, there are better ways of doing things, as well as smarter ways, for in doing so, you not only save yourself, but others as well and bring into the light of how said abuser had used others in order to get access to children int he very homes of the victims - mainly if the abuser is a relative. Throughout this case, and similar childhood sexual abuse cases across the country, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have refused to produce documents related to their internal handling of reports of sexual abuse and related investigations and disciplinary actions claiming that the information is protected by the clergy-penitent privilege and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Child Abuse is everywhere, even to the point where, the world's society whats to make pedophilia legal, just like they make identifying yourself as another sex and or an object legal, but in this case, the interest of children is considered a sexual orientation by the world, which is very wrong, but it does not stop them from what took place last year in regards to the homosexual/trans community who with what they did in regards of children is wildly accepted and those against it are attacked. That being said, we already know that JWs and other religion subject themselves to internal investigation in the category of church discipline, others taken it a step further with confession requirements an the like, in addition, not many religious people are well educated in the realm of child abuse, an example, an African JW church tends to be far better equip to suspect child abuse be it among their members and or community, even those who they preach to, for missionaries of any sort have stumble on to some things that you would not suspect while on the other side of the spectrum, a JW church in the UK lacks in the realm of suspecting and or seeing the signs of child abuse - this is why education is key, for if you learn something in this regard to can teach someone else, this goes for the non-religious too for we do not know what the neighbor does with his or her kids and or the kids of other neighbors in the vicinity, for a close friend in the neighborhood has to be well analyzed and watched to see if he is not a creep. As for the information in regards to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, this seems to be the case. It is widely referred to as the Priest Penitent Privilege, as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest–penitent_privilege It also states the following: The First Amendment is largely cited as the jurisprudential basis. The earliest and most influential case acknowledging the priest–penitent privilege was People v. Phillips (1813), where the Court of General Sessions of the City of New York refused to compel a priest to testify. The Court opined: It is essential to the free exercise of a religion, that its ordinances should be administered—that its ceremonies as well as its essentials should be protected. Secrecy is of the essence of penance. The sinner will not confess, nor will the priest receive his confession, if the veil of secrecy is removed: To decide that the minister shall promulgate what he receives in confession, is to declare that there shall be no penance... A few years after Phillips was decided, People v. Smith distinguished the case on the grounds that the defendant had approached the minister as a "friend or adviser," not in his capacity as a professional or spiritual advisor. As with most privileges, a debate still exists about the circumstances under which the priest–penitent privilege applies. The capacity in which the clergyman is acting at the time of the communication is relevant in many jurisdictions. It goes on to say: In U.S. practice, the confidentiality privilege has been extended to non-Catholic clergy and non-sacramental counseling, with explicit clergy exemptions put into most state law over the past several decades. In most states, information gained within a confession or private conversation is considered privileged and may be exempted from mandatory reporting requirements. This also goes hand in hand with the Confession Law/requirement that is in full effect in most states. So in other words, you'd have to dismantle what is already running the engine in the justice system. But as we already know, it is not possible to change such very easily, and should it change, it will break and or create something else - possibly worse. As we speak there is only one group known to the entire world that wants to alter the First Amendment and possible the laws and or the like pertaining to it, but this group seeks to nourish its own benefit. Through briefing to the court, NPR convinced the Judge that Defendants’ privilege claims were unsupported and improper under the law. The Court agreed that Defendants could not blanket everything related to their investigations in secrecy and that they must turn it over to the Plaintiffs. Often, this is the very evidence that can win or lose a case like this against a religious institution. With that information at hand, anything goes at this point, and it would seem that there is more information to this case of which is left out by the article itself, as stated before, they either lack the information and or such information has yet to reveal itself, hence waiting an update. Most likely the defendant will produce whatever evidence they have but with this last bit it makes the other section of the article a bit murky. Other then that Internal Investigation done by any institution, be it religious or not, is not secrecy, for such tends to help out authorities should they have access to this information be it given, require by law to have in their possession, and or other, etc usually depends on the law of the land also and the exemptions and the like with play a role in such things. We'll have to wait and see when we cross that bridge on September 2018, as of right now anything revolving around child abuse and or violence, false flags and the like, the conspiracy theorist and minions are out in full force. I am already reading into some underground madness that took place in both the US and the UK, not forum friendly with what is spoken of such unless you have the mental strength to stomach what is said. That being said, the laws of the land and the constitutions goes hand in hand with the state and the church, for should you want to alter one in order to fix a problem, it will lead to something worse.Knowing this, some people tend to deal with problems the best to their ability, and in this case, for victims, they too can play a role in finding a positive conclusion to a big problem, as many people already have before and to this day and onward.
  21. Nana Fofana

    Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread

    Nana Fofana replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    No! I didn't notice anything like that, if thats what you mean. What you said was just so reminiscent of my punctuation problems. That you can even articulate the 'dash' problem with that much precision is mysterious and impressive to me. :_(
  22. TrueTomHarley

    I Am Not Afraid of my Proofreader. Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah

    TrueTomHarley replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    if it wasn't so much work, I wouldl create yet another alias: the fantastically educated Dr. Bob "Hammer" "Ayetherestherub" Urubi B. S, moB.S., I.M.A.O, L.O.L, Translator Extraordinaire (Bible Translations Extra), to weigh in on these matters. I may still. But it is not as though I have nothing to do with my time, You know. It is only almost that way. Say, maybe @The Librarian, the old girl, would slap it up there for me. I just don't want to go through the hassle of another email account.
  23. TrueTomHarley

    Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread

    TrueTomHarley replied to TrueTomHarley's topic in Malachi

    Probably I should have cleaned all that stuff up before release. I got impatient. The writing is fine, at least as fine as I can make ti. Punctuation is another matter. I am going through it all - it will take a while - to clean that stuff up. it actually is not that hard when you focus on it. It is just tedious. These things should improve on a daily basis.
  24. Rocky Lee

    Thank you for sharing, your dedication is very encouraging and appreciated.. 

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  30. AllenSmith

    Ever lose patience with recalcitrant contrarians ?

    AllenSmith replied to James Thomas Rook Jr.'s topic in Controversial Posts

    I wasn’t going to weigh in, but! This motion is being exaggerated by ignorance. This filing is in its inception of the case. Yet people make it out to be a grievous blow to the Watchtower, and it’s doomed. GROW UP! First, some of you “pretenders” need psychological help, rather than Gods. You have already condemned your soul by “allowing” this SITE increase its revenue for every visit it gets on this, “controversial post” on negative news. You all must be PROUD of yourselves. What “academic” relevance does this news have? Ex-Bethelite, LOL! Second, LOOK at the news source ROOK! I understand you want to claim something here by digging into other people’s trash? Only fools think the Watchtower should be repentant, and to WHAT END! Should the Watchtower accept, and take responsibility for the actions of an individual? That would mean, ALL governments and institutions are responsible for the actions of an individual, and they should ALL be PUNISHED for the action of others. That would mean, I’m personally responsible for the ACTIONS of ROOK! yeah right! There would be no one left. Let me know what part of this world, alludes you all! John 15:19 to understand, you all continue to condemn yourselves for your OWN actions. LOL! Romans 2:1 However, in this REAL world? Each individual is “responsible” for their own actions no matter how hard critics want to make it about the Watchtower. Was Jesus made “responsible” for the actions of his disciples? And therefore, for Christianity? How about the apostles. Did they take “responsibility” for, Jesus actions? Then why did Peter deny knowing Jesus in “fear” of receiving the same fate as Christ? A human condition indicative of an “imperfect” human being. Then, Jesus should have been CRUCIFIED each time, someone did something wrong. He should have been stoned alongside the adulteress, according to the mentality ventured here. What is the possibility of Jesus being killed over and over again? As it is being done symbolically by you all here. Hebrews 6:6 Christians were blamed for the burning of Rome, by being falsely accused by its own emperor, NERO, according to TACITUS. They suffered unto death for that false accusation. Should the Watchtower receive the same judgment from those “pretending” to be part of it? A comprehensive approach is the rule of law. Punish those that have committed a grievous offense according to the “rule of law”. Not by the perception of what that law should be! Sin has “repentance” in it. Can one, forgive a murderer, a child molester, wife beater, etc.? YES! But that doesn’t mean you absolve yourself from that “personal” responsibility to look out for your own, and for those that can’t defend themselves. THAT’S WHAT SCRIPTURE REFERS TO WHEN, REFERENCING, DILIGENCE. Proverbs 12:24, Proverbs 13:4, Proverbs 21:5, Ecclesiastes 9:10, Galatians 6:9, James 1:12, Philippians 3:14, 2 Peter 1:5-7, 2 Corinthians 8:7, Colossians 3:2, 2 Peter 1:10 What does human society promote? Due Diligence. Romans 3:19-20 New International Version (NIV) 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Did the Watchtower FRAME or MAKE up secular rules? What are the differences between Gods law, and secular law, that the Watchtower needs to adhere to, by obeying, first Gods commands, and second, the confounds of secular law? Can the Watchtower, circumvent, secular law, as people subscribe? Is the Watchtower claiming to be above any law? Or do they need to work within the confines of both laws as ascribed by scripture, which they have been doing under the constraints of Gods law, and Secular Law, by NOT side stepping either one of them, with “disobedience” of one or the other. https://www.resolvingdiscoverydisputes.com/abuse/discovery-games-and-misconceptions-are-these-objections-legitimate/ http://www.plaintiffmagazine.com/item/what-trial-teaches-us-about-discovery-2 Here, Bro Jackson was “correct” to say, that’s what happens when secular law attempts to intertwine with bible law. Secular law is blind to the remorse or repentance of a person. These lawsuits are being made NOT to understand scripture, but to empower secular authority through ignorance and absent scriptural understanding. In other words! They’re in it NOT to win it, instead, they’re there to become rich from the backs of others, and at all cost. So, STOP making these cases about scripture, and the spirituality of people, when there is NONE! WITNESS! This forum is commercialized and promoted as intelligent and academic. Failure of both concepts. LEARN THE RULE OF LAW!!! The same STATE of affairs now being considered for a sitting “President” of the United States, by those that look away from the US Constitution due to party control, and from, those that have seen the framework of the constitution to know, this President has “actively” broken the law of the land several times now. Case in point: Michael Cohen. While he is making an argument in a California Court, to FORCE, Stormy Daniels too, “private arbitration” Prosecutors are arguing a case in New York Court, to have the same information needed in California, released for viewing in New York. Both have ties, however, what can be presented in court remains a problem. The FBI seized documents, that CAN’T be seen until a judge makes a ruling. An appeal can be made if the Judge rules in “favor” of releasing that seized information. Can a Judge “compel” yes, but that court doesn’t have the final say. Those documents can be helpful to a petitioner in New York. They have the information. THAT DOESN’T MEAN, THE STATE IS PRIVILEGED TO LOOK AT THEM, until such time the Courts decide. Meanwhile, those documents can go through a screening panel, called (special master) just because that seized material, can contain, “lawyer-client privileged” information that the states are NOT entitled to. Does that mean, Cohen is automatically “hiding” something as ROOK! Suggest the Watchtower is doing? NO! That just means there are protocols that need to be met, legally before anything else can continue. Well, at least you can argue “subpoena” here ROOK! Not that a “motion to compel discovery” is a subpoena, but it can hold the weight of “contempt of court” as a subpoena. But it’s not uncommon? It just means the Plaintiff (Petitioner) is “disputing” what it considers NOT ENOUGH evidence, and the court has decided what it believes is discoverable, and not discoverable under their statute. The petition has outlined what the court is asking the Watchtower to produce. However, several items on the list, don’t need the Watchtower to materialize them, since, some of that information has been leaked to the public by pathetic unethical bethelites, or disgruntled ex-witnesses, and or ex-elders. That’s what a “motion to compel” is. A simple way of having a judge play referee. These are common court practices, and games the Watchtower has to endure and protest just like anyone else brought before Caesar's legal system. Is the Watchtower “playing” the Petitioners game? NO! They are being straightforward with what the government deems “discoverable”. That’s what this obtuse filing is. DISCOVERY MOTION. Could there be consequences in this motion? YES! But there is a clause with the word “MAY”, so, it’s NOT set in stone, as it is with a direct subpoena. The Watchtower hasn’t even “answered” the petition, and if there is something discoverable, I’m sure the Watchtower will comply as it has done in many recent cases. That, a Court attempts to gather information that is BEYOND the scope of that court or plaintiff, is just an overreach of that court, just like in San Diego. Then, the Watchtower has no obligation to satisfy on the whims of the court. That’s how that works, by THEIR OWN RULES!! However, I’m sure the Watchtower attorneys will file their own motion to quash! Any defense attorney will exhaust all avenues, just as all prosecutors will exhaust all avenues before them. Once again, the word is PROCEDURE. You cannot sidestep procedures, just because it’s the right thing to do, in Caesar laws. If you don’t like it, then become a politician, or write your local congressmen to change the LAWS written in the books, NOW!!!!! 8 CFR 385.410 - Objections to discovery, motions to quash or to compel, and protective orders (Rule 410). Judges are obligated to be fair and impartial. As it stands with “SOME” religions right now. ALL government “Judges” and “prosecutors” are showing their bias with an organization they don’t like or care for. Ultimately, another case for the appellate court, and finally, for the Supreme Court to decide. This Montana case you're rambling on about is in its DISCOVERY stage and has a long way to go! REMOVE that ideology, that these Watchtower cases, have criminality attached! To them. Remember, The STATE understands and has invoked their own statutes, so, the court has weighed in on what it thinks is discoverable and not discoverable. The Petitioner has been “denied” certain documents as well. Statutes: Montana Confidential Clergy Communications Statutes Montana Confidential Clergy Communications Privilege Statute MONTANA CODE ANNOTATED TITLE 26. Evidence. Chapter 1. Statutory Provisions on Evidence. Part 8. Privileges. 26-1-804. Confessions made to member of clergy. A clergyman or priest cannot, without the consent of the person making the confession, be examined as to any confession made to him in his professional character in the course of discipline enjoined by the church to which he belongs. Something the US Supreme Court has dealt with for the state of Montana. This statute was first enacted in 1867; its last amendment was in 2009, as part of a gender-neutralization bill. In the 147 years of its history, the Montana Supreme Court has construed this statute in only two cases, one in 1998 and the other in 1999. (Both were criminal cases in which the defendants were convicted of sexual abuse of their respective stepdaughters.) The Court recognized two different approaches to this privilege in other states and chose to adopt the broader (Utah2), rather than the narrower (Washington3) as a matter of public policy and freedom of religion. In both cases, however, the Court affirmed the trial judge's refusal to apply the statute and held the communications to be non-privileged and admissible even on the broader interpretation of the statute. These cases teach several lessons about how to maximize your chance of successfully invoking the clergy privilege at trial. The Watchtower will become its most recent case. We’ll see if the US Supreme Court agrees with the lower court on this one, even though, Montana made a “revision” on Title 26 in 2014, so, that 2009 ruling will be different by the State of Montana’s OWN standard and RULE OF LAW! However, as you can plainly see, Montana has made it, a “catch-22” conundrum! What good does it do to “exasperate” a human condition with human emotion? Colossians 3:2 Sorry to say TTH, I don’t believe any book developed at this point holds value when it comes to understanding, what the responsibility of the Watchtower is, has or holds. None of which was framed by Jesus to be considered in a secular world, other than what it is for our own spiritual leaders to consider by advocating personal spiritual growth, a personal relationship, personal responsibility, and spirituality, within that secular world, as a follower of Christ. That’s the responsibility of a shepherd; the “spiritual” safety, and welfare of the flock, as a spiritual, GUIDE. John 21:15-17 and when people “add” to that collective, as “physical” safety and welfare, it renders both meaningless. Since they are seeing the literal definition of what a Shepherd is. When has anyone seen in the PAST, where the government interfered in a private business with the internal practices of their rules and regulations, that wasn’t directly attributed to the employee and consumer, as, it’s trying now? ALL religious institutions would be exonerated if the government did away with the confessional privilege. However, the Watchtower did not “enact” that privilege. The Vatican did. That “privilege” has existed and agreed upon by, who? The Governments of this world. So, if ALL governments listened to a simple man like a governing body member Bro Jackson? Then the “sole” responsibility would fall on the government. Why haven’t they done it, if the outcry is so great? Why not simply “REMOVE” all the “rights” of private citizens in the United States and across a democratic world. Why, shouldn’t the US government kick down your door ROOK! To take YOU’RE GUN away. If you want to give secular authority, all that power? From “democracy” to “dictatorship” Then, don’t start crying the day it becomes a reality, and they do exactly that, by “ordering” you, when to eat, drink, worship, and sleep; of their own, choosing. Do away with Article 3 section 2 of the constitution. Do away with 5th and 14th amendment of the constitution, since, that is what you people are advocating. Even now, the US government doesn’t assume, too much, since the FCC still holds this jewel. Privacy Protection Sensitive information is usually collected from employees and customers during hiring and business transactions, and privacy laws prevent businesses from disclosing this information freely. Information collected can include social security number, address, name, health conditions, credit card and bank numbers and personal history. Not only do various laws exist to keep businesses from spreading this information, but people can sue companies for disclosing sensitive information. The Federal Trade Commission monitors business practices and charges or fines companies that violate the privacy promises they made to consumers. For example, when a company promises not to use their information in ways other than what is stated, or shares their private information without consent, or monitors customers' online, mobile and/or television habits without informing them in advance, the FTC charges them publicly with such offenses, levies hefty fines and forces the business to change their unethical practices. What, does the personal information kept by the Watchtower about its congregants, considered? Public information? The RULE OF LAW must be applied, in ALL legal matters, for the purpose of “checks and balances” that, govern what people can and cannot say before a court of law. Does that mean the Watchtower needs to assert “confessional privilege” with certain information gathered in private? Once again, the laws are being obscured, by people that simply and “truly” don’t understand, secular law, Between, Montana State, New York State, and the Federal Government, and yet, they feel compelled to give out an erroneous, opinion. What is privileged communication and discoverable communication, according to each state and by Federal Rules? https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_26 https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_34 What do you think “if” this US President has a successful summit with North Korea, and finally brings an END, to the armistice, and brings “peace” to that region by ending the war? Can anyone say? The beginning of the Antichrist!!!!! https://www.michaeljournal.org/articles/world-government/item/the-false-peace-of-the-antichrist-through-a-world-government-2 And you people keep telling yourselves, you don’t see the signs! LOL! 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 What would the summit have to do, along with the persecution of the Watchtower, you say? End Times! Matthew 24:3-31 ONCE AGAIN, LEAVE THE LAWYERING TO “REAL” LAWYERS!!! Now you can down-vote me ROOK!
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    New post renewed at JW. Org (in English) Will there ever be a world without war? The brochure is protected by copyright in 1992, but has a publication date of March 2018. is also a question of questions and answers that makes me think that this could be a study publication. Initially it was for the Jewish community, and it could still be. I think the original cover was from the Isaiah wall in front of the United Nations. Have given the brochure a new cover Not only the new cover, but the content is completely new, very detailed and enough This is indicated in the foreword to the brochure, which is still available on the cdrom with a copyright date of 1992. Foreword ~ Will there ever be a world without war? - in our times we have seen the most devastating wars that have ever afflicted humanity. Millions of widows, widowers and orphans have come to mourn for their loved ones. At The Madrid Middle East peace conference in 1991, Yitzhak Shamir said: " I am sure there is no arab mother who wants her son to die in battle, as there is no Jewish mother who wants her son Die in the war ". our title is appropriate, will there ever be a world without war? https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/Will-There-Ever-Be-a-World-Without-War/#?insight[search_id]=e08564bb-ab51-438e-b023-92163746b754&insight[search_result_index]=0
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