Allen Smith

JW's shouldn't believe in man's tradition. That being said, I hear your threat, Tom. Exit stage right. I'll return when there's another prophetic year of interest. Hope you're still around.

Unfortunately, that's how he deals with facts. He makes up things as he goes along, and when he is caught, he lashes out. There can be only one winner, that would be him. Then he starts to insult and fight, just to get rid of people that challenge his kind of facts. None facts.

No! The circumstance is too broad. Therefore, unattainable. Not only did he serve Satan's purpose, but committed suicide for the harm he felt he had done. Judas Iscariot had, full faculties and wasn't mentally challenged. His anguish defeated him. So, John 5:30 doesn't apply unless someone at that time judged him and hung him for committing the most heinous crime known to man, giving up God's son for 30 pieces of silver.

Everyone, enjoy your day!!

I made a similar comment about motive and circumstance. However, the erred view would be to suggest, God has no judgment at the moment of that act of suicide. We shouldn't pretend to know what God is thinking other than, he holds every life precious. To me, the accountability has manifested to the second death. Jude 1:12, Revelation 21:8. Why, would Jesus resurrect those he plans to condemn in the first resurrection? It makes no sense.

You just finished expressing the same thing I did on my previous post about motive and circumstance. Glad it finally sunk in, that God will judge "any individual" for their conduct in this world, suicide included. Now, the question that should have been asked, were these two individuals at one point JW's? And if so, then they should have understood about "sin no more" John 8:11, meant. A Christian cannot separate one from the other, even if a person is going through a mental breakdown. That person will still be judged by God, not by man, but by God as I expressed, earlier. Then society would be no better if we succumb to what is indicated in 1 John 3:4. There's no such thing as a free pass, when it comes to the taking of a human life. What is wrong and has been on the last post is, the assumption posters are having that suicide has no accountability. It does by God's judgment. No one said "anything" about human judgment, but Godly judgment. So, our business is to let others know, suicide is a BIG thing in the eyes of God. Now, those that don't have a mental capacity, are usually cared for by others. If that individual commit suicide, outside the watch of others in his/her care, then the blood guilt falls on the caretaker. ACCOUNTABILITY!!!!

No sis, it was directed to @Pudgy that wants to force an unintelligent response. He is equating the death of Christ because Jesus was on earth to fulfill a prophecy by twisting scripture in suggesting Jesus committed suicide by allowing the Roman soldiers to take him captive, even though the first ones that took him captive were the Pharisees guards. Then He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you, everything which has been written about Me in the Law of Moses and the [writings of the] Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. (Romans 10:16-21) 16 Nevertheless, they did not all obey the good news. For Isaiah says: “Jehovah, who has put faith in the thing heard from us?” 17 So faith follows the thing heard. In turn, what is heard is through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask, They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, “into all the earth their sound went out, and to the ends of the inhabited earth their message.” 19 But I ask, Israel did not fail to know, did they? First Moses says: “I will incite you to jealousy through that which is not a nation; I will incite you to violent anger through a foolish nation.” 20 But Isaiah becomes very bold and says: “I was found by those who were not seeking me; I became known to those who were not asking for me.” 21 But he says regarding Israel: “All day long I have spread out my hands toward a disobedient and obstinate people.” (John 5:39-47) 39 “You are searching the Scriptures because you think that you will have everlasting life by means of them; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me. 40 And yet you do not want to come to me so that you may have life. 41 I do not accept glory from men, 42 but I well know that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in the name of my Father, but you do not receive me. If someone else came in his own name, you would receive that one. 44 How can you believe, when you are accepting glory from one another and you are not seeking the glory that is from the only God? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you, Moses, in whom you have put your hope. 46 In fact, if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe what I say?”

Wow! Relevance. What an excuse to go against't what is written in Isaiah, and the Gospels about Christ fulfillment. I don't recall where an intelligent person would consider equating suicide with Christ sacrifice for all humanity and suggest he committed suicide because it was written about such sacrifice. Sad day for scripture.

He's always been that way. You just don't know him very well. The more he is wrong, the more aggressive he gets. Some others do the same, and then posters disappear because of them.

Then what's your argument if you don't give a darn. Are you talking to yourself? The public has the right to know? 🤣

Then consider this example an ask yourself. How many sins did this person commit before considering suicide? You and @Pudgy aren't seeing the full picture of what scripture relates. *** wp16 No. 1 p. 8 Give Me Just One Year of Peace and Happiness *** When I was 15 years old, my mother encouraged me to get out of the house and make some friends. So I began to leave home for longer and longer periods of time. Soon I fell into bad company. One day a man, who seemed friendly, approached me. He offered me drugs, which I took because I wanted to appear grown-up. I was quickly drawn into an underworld of drugs and immorality. On many occasions, I was violated sexually. Life became unimportant to me; I did not care if I lived or died. I was desperately lonely. At age 16, I attempted suicide by drinking a bottle of whiskey and jumping into a lake. I wound up in a coma for three days.

I think this type of mentality, should stay in the closed forum. The public doesn't need to see JW's, discredit the bible.

Then why argue about it. Why bring it up in the affirm if you are not willing to listen to scripture.

(John 18:9) 9 This was to fulfill what he had said: “Of those whom you have given me, I have not lost a single one.. . . How long did you say you were a witness?

Perhaps in some cases. Mentally illness or not. God will make that distinction. What we can't say, What will God do when judging a person. You and @Pudgy are animate to affirm, suicide is not a sin, when scripture says otherwise.

@Anna, @Thinking The purpose of scripture is not to interpret like the Pharisees. (James 4:13-17) 13 Come, now, you who say: “Today or tomorrow we will travel to this city and will spend a year there, and we will do business and make some profit,” 14 whereas you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. For you are a mist that appears for a little while and then disappears. 15 Instead, you should say: “If Jehovah wills, we will live and do this or that.” 16 But now you take pride in your arrogant boasting. All such boasting is wicked. 17 Therefore, if someone knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him. Is suicide RIGHT?!!!!

Now who's desperate, James. The most outrages example about Christ. Are you sure you're not related to "witness?"

How would you justify to the public Romans 6:23 as you relate with suicide. You just said it. Christ paid a heavy price for our mortals souls. Does a person committing suicide value that sacrifice?

That's the problem. I don't believe you fully understand the wages of sin. Just because we're imperfect, doesn't give a Christian, pretend or not the excuse or make it a justification to continue to sin

I'm glad you posted this, James. That just means I don't have to prove anything to you as well. What you do have to do is, prove yourself to God. I hope you have a mental picture when you get judged. Tell God how you animatedly believe suicide is not a sin, just because you don't understand scripture. Keep on mentioning to the public your false assertions that they may follow such ideologies. Maybe someone will take you up on your offer, which will make it a Blood guilt for you. Either way, you lose.

I am referring more in line with what your friend James is wanting to tell people. Suicide is not a sin. IN the Catholic Church, Fathers believe they can remove sin by confession. So, James is more inline with the Catholic Ideology about sin. Most honest Christians faiths believe suicide is sin.

Only because you would need to understand scripture, James. Nowhere in scripture does it "specifically" use the word suicide. I know you're not a psychologist, but, in God's laws, harming yourself for whatever reason is a sin. Now, how can you "prove" that suicide is NOT a sin, James? Yet, wordplay is always a stronghold for the unattended.

Maybe, it's just to get the ball rolling for 2023, and I will be banned tomorrow. The way it looks, "thinking" is certainly someone that is already hoping for. Hey, Thinking. Downvote me all you want. They are meaningless suggestion coming from a person like you.

I'm not independently wealthy like you, Tom. I don't need to blackmail anyone. That's again'st the law in the USA. Your guess is as good as mine? 😁

Only because you are defended James, While I am not. So, the moral of the story is? But, now, you just want to pick a fight to have me banned. Good luck James!! Seems the desperation is something that's inflicting you.