Many Miles

So what does common sense tell you about the equipment God created Eve with in order to feed her offspring? Was she designed to feed her offspring milk? So, as created by God, what in nature returns dead bodies to the dust they were created from? Did this involve any eating? What does common sense tell you? Indeed. Let's apply all three in response to the questions posed above. Namely, common sense, God, and logic.

Yeah. I remembers some of those talks myself. The real whoppers were the talks given as second and third-hand accounts of men who shared what they learned from those talks. Some real eye-rollers there! There is current research underway looking at tissue memory and what effect tissue-to-brain communication may have in patients the result of organ transplant. There is so much to learn about biological physiology. But suggesting an outcome of any such research before sound conclusions are achieved is a problem.

Precisely! Honestly it saddens me to see men following men. Just plain petty. Which version of "the organization" are folks supposed to follow? Folks treat men like God, who decides for them what is supposed to be good or bad. The GB shows over and over again it can flip its teachings upside down. What are honest people trying to live right supposed to do? Just prostrate themselves before mortals like themselves and say, "Please! Tell us how today what we should do today to worship our Creator, and tell us tomorrow if YOU want us to do the opposite and we will." Put that in your next work of fiction. Or, maybe its a reality in someone's mind? Go ahead. Write it. It should be that way. Men who follow men are victims of a dominion never granted to mankind. Mankind was granted dominion over animals, vegetation and the earth. But not dominion of men. Men who dominate men do so to the injury of those whom are dominated by men. Worship God by living decently. Treat your fellow man as you would want to be treated yourself. Be willing to give your life for those whom you love. Fear God. Do your best to learn yourself what He expects of you. If this is done sincerely it is enough. There is no more to give than your best. Anything beyond that and God will step in to help. And, why not. According to the biblical account, all God ever wanted from Adam was to live in harmony with the natural world provided, and to have enough respect to abide by a single prohibition beyond that. But that doesn't seem to be enough for some folks. No. Some folks need us to worship "the organization".

It is confusing. The whole policy is a train wreck! I can't tell you how many have approached me asking to help them complete their documents for them. Each one has the same concern. Each one wants to make sure their documentation lets them take as much as JW policy will let them accept. They don't want to mistakenly leave off anything they are allowed to accept. They're not reading the Bible and drawing conclusions. They're just doing whatever the society says they can do, and they're willing to accept anything the society lets them accept, because they want to live as long and healthy as they can.

Good patient blood management should be in place as a standard of care at every medical institution. Avoiding allogeneic blood transfusion is better for health and living if you don't need it for either. But, from a purely medical perspective, there are instances where the sole treatment to remain alive is transfusion of allogeneic blood. In those cases the choice is that of having an opportunity at more life or not.

Regarding red cells, here's just how pharisaical it is under current JW policy: JWs are not supposed to accept transfusion of red cells. But it is left to each JW to accept fractions of red cells. Right? Fractionation matters. Right? Quantity doesn't matter. Right? JWs are taught regarding red cells, it matters not whether this is eaten through the mouth or transfused through the veins. Right? It turns out that fractionating red cells is a very easy thing to do. Here are two methods: - Add tap water to red cells. Done. All fractionated. No red cells! - Boil red cells. Done. All fractionated. No red cells! Since it matters not whether this is eaten through the mouth or transfused through the veins, JWs can now eat either of the above fractionated products. If that sounds absurd, it is. But that's current JW policy.

I respect everyone having and holding a personal view. It should be that way. But I am compelled to say your comment above, though true, is an understatement. Noah was told how to abstain from blood, and what blood to abstain from. If we just focus for a moment on the how, Noah was told the abstention was that of eating. Aside from eating (and completely unrelated to eating), for ancients like Noah there were then existing reasons and means of transplanting blood medicinally both as a therapeutic and preventative for health. God did not require Noah to abstain from that use of blood. It was not eating.

The percentages I cited are of what was donated, which was circulating blood. So, yes, the percentage includes whatever water is party to that blood product. And, by the way, a red cell is mostly water too.

Wouldn't work for me. Doesn't cover up nearly enough!

MM is just responding to what's put in front of him. If there's a specific question, ask away. Generally, and maybe this is what you're looking for, I'd say if a person uses anything from the donor blood supply then they have failed to abstain from blood someone else donated. To suggest we can eat [cryosupernatant] [water, minerals and fat comprising more than 50% of fruit from the tree of knowledge] and say we've abstained from eating of [donor blood] [fruit of the tree of knowledge] is pure folly. A personal uncoerced choice to refuse anything or everything from blood for transfusion is of no concern to me whatsoever. People writing things that are false or unsound concerns me if those things could present a danger to readers.

Crazy talk…all you do miles is try to confuse with false intellectual talk…your very good at it …..i think your a straight out stirrer…that lacks even common sense…. I shall be blocking you as I think you are a very sly man……you came on here with one purpose in mind…..so I’ll leave you too it, Well I suppose you won't see this. But who knows? If crazy talk is putting falsifiable information out there then call me crazy. Otherwise you've just left questions unanswered. Which is fine too.

There's a difference between judging someone's personal choice and what they say. If you say something in a public forum then expect it to be challenged. If you're not looking for response then why are you sharing? I don't care what choices you make. Your life is yours. I do hope you have a good life though. I do care about people. When I share it is to share. If someone challenges what I share it gives everyone watching an opportunity to learn and grow, and me in particular.

Anyone seeking a downfall of the society is in for a long, long wait. It can change. But fall is not in sight.

It's just beginning.

No worries. He's right. I love my crickets. They sing me to sleep. Unless one's in the house. That's dog just won't hunt! He's gotta go! But them ones outside, they be fine by me. Now when the cicadas come out. They drown out my crickets and a soul can hardly sleep with all that noise. But crickets? They be fine!

The society teaches of Adam: There was a body formed of dust from the ground. There was breath of life. But only when breath of life was breathed into the body formed from dust of the ground was there man. That man was Adam. The moment breath of life left that body "the man" ceased. That is what the society teaches of man, and of animal. But not with blood. With blood suddenly we have pieces that can be artificially isolated remaining "the thing" they were once associated with. I have news for everyone. If all we had in your circulatory system was red cells we'd all be dead because we would not have blood. Blood is a composition of many things, none of which by themselves are blood. Red cells are no more blood than hydrogen is water.

Blood is so easy to fraction. Modern medicine did not start that. Modern medicine just found ways to artificially fractionate blood, ways that don't exist in nature. Otherwise what you wrote is not so much as an artful attempt to respond to the questions posed to you. More like a Kamala word salad. You wrote: So, I brought up a 1/100 fraction (white cells of your circulating blood) and asked you about it. Suddenly crickets.

A teaching could be wrong because it's unsound. A teaching could be wrong because it's false. Though both are wrong, the latter would be more wrong than the former.

I/2 is a fraction. Right? Is 1/2 the parts that constitute "soul" soul? Oh, and cryosupernatant is, as a fraction, MORE than 1/2 the circulating blood in your veins this very moment. Is cryosupernatant "blood"? Oh, and white cells are, as a fraction, about 1/100 of the circulating blood in your veins this very moment. Is white cells "blood"?

The society holds disparate teachings when it comes to parts versus a whole. (Flour, milk, etc versus cake) Regarding soul (life), it's said to have two major components; a body and breathe of life. Together a body and breathe of life IS "soul". Apart NEITHER a body nor breathe of life IS "soul". Regarding blood, it's said to have four major components; red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma. Together red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma IS "blood". Apart red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma EACH IS "blood". The irony of these two disparate treatments of parts versus whole is that the society also teaches that blood is considered to be equivalent to life (soul). Yet it treats what makes up the two disparately. There is no person inside the big house who's ever even attempted to answer for the contradictory bit of teaching.

At one time I held a similar view. But, unlike you, when pressed to defend my position I found it impossible without invoking provisions of Mosaic law, which was a law that never applied to anyone other than either natural born Jews or individuals who for their own reasons decided to convert to Judaism. But aside from natural born Jews, God never required anyone else to submit to provisions of that law and, to the contrary, the whole time He was accepting worship of persons outside Judaism who feared him and worked righteousness. Hence what James presents I can see only through the lens of standards predating Mosaic law that would have applied to everyone. There is no standard predating Mosaic law remotely suggesting the substance of blood should be treated as a sacred substance. Just think about that carefully, especially in regard to what was said to Noah. There is, for instance, no pre-Mosaic law standard suggesting it would have been wrong to transplant blood for medicinal purposes to either treat or prevent a health condition, and even in ancient times blood was useful for both and was used for both.

I think the current GB realizes it has a compilation of messes on its hands that can only accrue problematically. It's trying to dig itself out. But the fear is the pile is too deep. Ultimately the 1914 thing will implode on itself. Just a matter of time. Ultimately the blood policy will implode on itself. Just a matter of time. I think the society is looking for an exit ramp. Too many problems, too many informational sources. It'll only snowball.

Yeah. That's definitely an exit point for me. If someone really is stupid telling them so won't change a thing. All you've done is waste a few seconds of your life. Why bother? Now, ignorance? Total nuther subject. But stupid? No. Not going there.

More has been accomplished in this discussion than meets the eye. Maybe there's more life to it yet. We'll see.

Sounds like most of us are limping along!