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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Lawyers who defended Catholic pedophiles are now defending JWs pedophiles   
    I never pay any mind to ex-witnesses, hence they simply do not bother me. When it comes to their lies, my focus lies on emphasizing the undeniable truth, completely detached from the former members' inclination to twist it to their advantage.
    So, why does it matter if a Catholic lawyer is supporting the Watchtower? Are you suggesting that they shouldn't? Religion stands strong in the face of manipulative governments and the spread of falsehoods and exaggerations by former members, especially when it's time to take a stand.
    Remember, there are people here who identify themselves as witnesses and are willing to embrace your perspectives, even if they may be biased. Why? Because some of them, especially females, possess a misguided loyalty. Instead of recognizing the ways in which Satan manipulates humanity through the suffering of children, they become fixated on their own personal emotions.
    If someone truly grasps the essence of scripture, it would be a misguided loyalty to turn a blind eye to the devious manipulation of Satan and the individuals he employs to sow division among God's people. No matter how strongly someone believes they are a devout Christian, if they fail to recognize this larger scheme, they cannot consider themselves faithful followers of Christ, let alone true witnesses.
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Update #2...3...4 and other   
    Oh, no! Srecko, how will you explain your egregious stance to other religions that don't visit this site? Or is the hypocrisy of former members limited, lol!


    Does God have standards for the way Christians should behave and dress? The fashions of the world come and go. Many people become slaves to these fashions and to keep up with the fashion of the time, will sacrifice their time, money, and even their health.
    Many of these fashions do not promote the principles of the Bible on dress. The wearing of tattoos, jewelry, saggy or tight “revealing” clothing has become very widespread even among professed Christians. But do these fit the standard that God requires? Let’s see what the Bible says about God’s standards on the Christian’s presentation to the world.
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    You really should refrain from political subject discussions, Georgie.
    It merely emphasizes your distorted agenda driven view of the Universe in every aspect of thought.
    …. and that you are wrong.
    What you have shown is that YOU have a highly visible political perspective, while trying to claim you don’t.
    … and that you are wrong.
    Therefore, I hereby declare April 4, 2024,  “George88 Vicar of Warwick Closet Democrat Visibility Day”  !
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    The below proclamation quoted verbatim PROVES everything you said above IS A BALD FACED LIE.
    (The "Transgender Day of Visibility" (TDOV) was started by transgender activist Rachel Crandall in 2009. NOT BARACK OBAMA. It was created to celebrate the transgender community and raise awareness about transgender rights and issues.)

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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    … and anticipating accusations of “racism”, I assure you I am not, as my three children are mixed race, by deliberate design.
    …. and may I remind you that the Roman Centurion Army Officer Cornelius, sworn to the service of the Roman Empire, was described as a man of exceptional faith in Jesus, and as a man specifically approved by God.
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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    …. reminds me of three negro elders at the congregation I attended were talking about politics after a meeting, and I walked up and mentioned to them some stupid thing Obama did, and one of the elders absolutely BLEW UP, that I would DARE speak despairingly of Barak Hussein Obama!! The instantaneous and intense defense truly surprised me.
    I concluded he was a “closet democrat”, as     many JWs are, as I was disappointed to learn over time.
    Very sad.  Very, very sad.
    I had the Elders confront me en banc when they learned I was a registered Republican, and I replied that in Finland Jehovah’s Witnesses are allowed to vote without any congregational sanctions whatsoever, and I was merely going by the rules Jehovah’s Witnesses go by in Finland.
    They were stunned and made no further inquiry, so I got up and left.
    I suspect, and it is just a guess, Georgie that you too, are a negro “closet democrat”.
     It’ a stereotype for sure, but you do fit the stereotype on so many, many points.

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    Alphonse reacted to Pudgy in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    … that was sad and pathetic BTK, … and a very poor imitation of my writing style and syntax.
    Not only THAT, but I have been in the “Open Club” for ten years or more before I was invited to the “Closed Club”, a fact that jealousy consumes you like a stage 4 cancer.
    You and your ilk have, by whatever whack-a-mole clone names you adopt are involuntary dumped, regularly. What’s it been … six times now?
    I live rent free in your brain, and apparently consume a great deal of space,  and as icky as it is for me, it’s kinda fun watching you plead to have me leave the “Open Club”, over and over as I wade through the depths of your soul with my bare paws, not even getting the tops of them wet.
    A point you have obviously missed, BTK, is that two-dimensional cartoon dogs, especially ones as cute and lovable as Ah am, do eat and drink, but neither pee, nor poop.
    Ever.

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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    It's unfortunate that dogs have a tendency to relieve themselves in someone else's yard, instead of utilizing their own space to vent their frustrations. lol!
    What topic has elicited sympathy from the closed club known for their high standards? THIS IS DEMENTED INSANITY ON PARADE from the "inane", lol!
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    However, I believe that certain discussions will inevitably transform into more malevolent subjects. These may pivot towards debates on Malawi or another political event, often dominated by individuals within the closed club who, possessing an excess of leisure, seek to reframe the same baseless arguments through varied avenues, solely to perpetuate their critiques of the Organization. Lacking a receptive audience, they persist in their disparagement in one guise or another, driven by an appetite for discord, which, unmistakably, is the work and influence of Satan.
    Former members, or the disfellowshipped, establish the argument. Then, those supposed witnesses jump in to defend the former member's position. It becomes too predictable after a while.
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    Even though witnesses may feel helpless about matters beyond their control and lack the ability to counteract Satan's influence, delving into political motivations does not serve the true spirit of brotherhood. As we approach the day of reckoning, it is likely that additional matters will incite outrage. This should alarm engaged observers, although the individual in question may not share this concern.
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024   
    A Proclamation on Transgender Day of Visibility, 2024
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/03/29/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2024/
    MAGA supporters on the far right are expressing outrage over President Biden acknowledging the transgender community with a day of visibility. But why should Jehovah's Witnesses concern themselves with worldly politics at all?
    Should active Jehovah's Witnesses begin seeking advice from former members on global politics and rush to register to vote? This seems to contradict the essence of what it means to be a true Christian.
    It seems that Satan is manipulating the conscience of the far right, which regards Trump as a messianic figure, as he has proclaimed himself. Given this outrageous claim of equivalence to Christ by an individual, should people be rightfully incensed?
    Jehovah's Witnesses, guided by their conscience, should consciously avoid involving themselves in politics, despite the unjust promotion of such matters. Indeed, numerous aspects of human governance and political systems could justifiably cause outrage.
    Can the public confidently rely on conservative outlets such as FOX News to accurately reflect the people's indignation, or are they merely projecting their own?
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    @George88
    I understand your perspective on referring to certain individuals as authoritative figures who act oppressively. Professor Newton epitomizes this description. He dismissively claims that Ptolemy was essentially a fraud, suggesting we disregard all of his observations. 
    It's clear how interpretations can distort the foundation of historical facts.
    I also appreciate the enclosure, which could indeed find the VAT 4956 tablet useful if we apply not merely the observations but certain claims and the date of the tablet itself.
    I also understand why you might find the language used here reminiscent of Carl Olof Jonsson. At least he dared to stand behind his identity before becoming an apostate, unlike another who, acting both cowardly and a clown, employed similar rhetoric regarding the 20-year gap in his presentation to the Watchtower.
    Robert R. Newton - The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy-Johns Hopkins University Press (1977)
    LUNAR ECLIPSES FOR WHICH PTOLEMY GIVES THE BABYLONIAN YEAR
    Date King Year Authenticity
    -720 Mar 19 Mardokempad 1 May be fabricated
    -719 Mar 8 Mardokempad 2 Fabricated
    -719 Sep 1 Mardokempad 2 May be fabricated
    -620 Apr 22 Nabopolassar 5 Fabricated
    -522 Jul 16 Kambyses 7 Fabricated
    -501 Nov 19 Darius 20 May be genuine
    -490 Apr 25 Darius 31 May be genuine
    Now let us see what happens to a modern historian or chronologist who studies Ptolemy's eclipse records. He sees that there is a list of kings and their reigns. He also sees that Ptolemy dates a lunar eclipse in the first year of Mardokempad, for example, on a certain month and day in the Egyptian calendar, t at a certain hour on that day, and he states the fraction of the moon that was shadowed during the eclipse. The historian uses Ptolemy's king list to find the year in our calendar and he uses the Egyptian month and day to find the complete date in our calendar. He then finds by astronomical calculations that there was an eclipse on that date, that it came close to the hour that Ptolemy states, and that the stated amount of shadowing is also close to correct.
    This agreement between Ptolemy The historian or chronologist naturally concludes that there is overwhelming evidence confirming the accuracy of Ptolemy's king list, and he proceeds to use it as the basis for Babylonian chronology. Yet there is no evidence at all. The key point is that there may have been no Babylonian record at all. Ptolemy certainly fabricated many of the aspects of the lunar eclipses, and he may have fabricated all of them. When he fabricated them, it did not matter whether he used a correct king list or not. Any king list he used, regardless of its accuracy, would seem to be verified by eclipses. p.374
    If we operate under this assumption, it would allow anyone to input any date and time to achieve their desired outcomes, effectively rendering the results counterfeit. Under such a premise, modern software could be deemed obsolete by Newtonian standards, facilitating the manipulation of "facts" by individuals aiming to distort them for personal gain and disseminating their flawed agenda to the masses. I think I like Newton, lol!
    However, in addressing this sad professor's assertions, I question whether his conviction pertains to the validity of the King's List or the lunar eclipse observation associated with a particular monarch. Ptolemy's Canon places Nabopolassar's reign between 625 and 605 BC; hence, the relevance of a lunar eclipse observation in 620 BC to Nabopolassar's reign is unclear. In light of contemporary astronomical data, Ptolemy's account could be inaccurate by one year, yet this discrepancy allows room for interpretation when distinguishing between an accession year and a regnal year.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_of_Kings
    However, if we embrace this controversy, we must also accept it for all historical records, including those inscribed on parchments and clay tablets and interpreted through modern translations, since it makes no distinction.
    I believe Newton discarded logic and common sense in an attempt to establish his reputation, a downfall you suggest affects many seeking recognition. This includes authors, undisciplined bloggers with an abundance of time, and promoters of division and conflict.
    This unidentified individual, who corresponded with the Watchtower in the year 2000, not only referenced Newton but also, with authoritative audacity, demanded the retraction of Ptolemy's kings list from their publications. Ironically, this clown also employs the language of the 20-year gap, just as it's demonstrated here, frequently.
    It's unlikely that this correspondence is associated with Jonsson, as he typically had no issues with self-identification, and it is probable that he was already disfellowshipped at that point. In contrast, this clown did.
    "It is true that secular historians generally date the destruction of Jerusalem and the beginning of the Babylonian captivity at 586 or 587 B.C.E., and we do not hide this fact. But we do challenge the veracity of their evidence for producing this date. The appendix to chapter 14 of the book "Let Your Kingdom Come," which you have referred to, discusses this matter in some detail. Of course, our understanding of the chronology involved is guided by God's Word, which is very specific about the time involved and what would occur during that time. (2 Chronicles 36:20-23; Jeremiah 25:8-11; Daniel 9:2) Therefore, we believe the chronology we present is in harmony with Biblical timing rather than somewhat problematic secular dating that disagrees with the Scriptures, as explained in the "Kingdom Come" book. Pages 461 to 466 of Insight on the Scriptures, Volume E, also provide some background for this chronology. Additionally, the section "Chronology" beginning on page 447, as well as "Appointed Times of the Nations, on pages 132 to 1.35, covers these subjects in depth. This date of 586 B.C.E. is by no means as well attested to as the pivotal date of 539 B.C.E. for the overthrow of Babylon. Given the pivotal date of 539 B.C.E. and the subsequent release of the Jews in 537 B.C.E., then, with the clear Biblical references to a seventy-year period of desolation of Jerusalem, we are brought to the date of 607 B.C.E. for Jerusalem's destruction. 
    A principal source for accepting the date 586 B.C.E. is the second-century Greek scholar Claudius Ptolemy. Recently, Robert R. Newton of Johns Hopkins University offered proof that many of Ptolemy's observations were "deliberately fabricated." Scientific American magazine noted that "Ptolemy's forgery may have extended to inventing 1he lengths of reigns of Babylonian kings.
    Since much modern reconstruction of Babylonian chronology has been based on a list of kings that Ptolemy used to pinpoint the dates of alleged Babylonian observations, according to Newton *all relevant chronology must now be reviewed and all dependence on Ptolemy (king) list must be removed."-Issue of October 1977, page 80.
    Thus, as to the difference in approximately 20 years between the Bible's chronology and
    that based principally on secular evidence, we choose to be guided primarily by God's Word. As the Kingdon Come book on page 189 comments: "Hi seems evident that the easiest and most..."
    In summary, no one here is interested in learning; their only goal is to gather more information to deepen their criticism of the Watchtower, which ultimately will be judged by God.
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Discussing criticism, I believe that if Hipparchus were alive today, he would have been appalled by Newton's unconscionable arrogance to the point of physical confrontation, while Strabo would have dismissed him as a fool. lol!
    "The Arrangement of the Geographical Fragments It is clear from Strabo° that Hipparchus' criticism of Eratos­ thenes was a work in three books (as was Eratosthenes' own Geography). Berger,* in his collec­tion of the fragments, made no attempt to arrange them according to their probable order in the original three books, but. merely classified them according to subject matter - an arrangement which involved a good deal of unnecessary frag­mentation and repetition. According to Berger,° most of Strabo's quotations, except those taken from the latitude table, come from Hipparchus' first book, in which he also attacked Eratosthenes' 'corrections' of the old maps, his mathematical and physical geography, and his conception of South Asia. In the second book, Berger thinks, Hipparchus attacked Eratos­thenes' ideas on North Asia, Europe and Libya; while in the third book Hipparchus put forward his own ideas for a mathe­matical geography based on astronomical data, and included an eclipse table to assist in the determination of longitudes."
    To the contemporary mindset, it would have seemed impossible for intellectuals of the past to grasp concepts that would be out of reach for modern society. Yet, there are those who believe that by inputting numbers into astronomical software, they align themselves with the ancients and the cosmos, considering their findings infallible. That's hilarious!
    It also raises the question of who borrowed from whom and whether it matters. Your suggestion of irrelevancy holds weight. Question, certainly, you were referring to VAT 4956 in your remark. Did you input text too quickly? I'd strongly prefer not to endure the annoyance of someone with a childish mentality dwelling on the matter. LoL!
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Yes, that was a typo—a blunder I happily accept, unlike someone here who makes every effort to point out only my mistakes yet refuses to acknowledge his own. Where is Othello when you need him? Or should it be "The Rocky Horror Picture Show," since he has many minions in his favor? LOL!
    It's 5784-85. What do you expect? Stop hounding me. Wait until 5789, then you can grill me all you want, lol!
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Fundamentally, the Watchtower assigns the beginning of Nebuchadnezzar's reign to 626/625 BC, a period historically designated to Nabopolassar. This implies that Nabopolassar would be allocated the reign typically attributed to Kandalanu, given the variations identifying Kandalanu either as a Babylonian or Assyrian monarch, or both. Additionally, there is a theory suggesting Kandalanu was the Babylonian name bestowed upon Ashurbanipal. However, the notion of a single monarch ruling in two places simultaneously is debatable.
    It also raises the question of whom Ashurbanipal appointed as a vassal in Babylon. History recognizes Nabopolassar as a general, but was he also a governor? Only the desperate and uninformed would mistakenly concentrate on the wrong rationale.
    There is a 22-year discrepancy stemming from the Watchtower's proposed date of creation, which is often overlooked by those who selectively remember history. Secular history typically identifies the start of creation as 4004 BC, but those being disingenuous tend to disregard this gap.
    Therefore, you can ask "Pekka Mansikka", a person who by all accounts is not associated with the Watchtower in one way or another, to come to a similar conclusion to that of the Watchtower. Remember he is not alone.

    New chronology using solar eclipses Historian aputieteet - Pekka Mansikka · 2019
    "To determine the time of Nebuchadnezzar II's reign period, other than archeologically confirmed research should be used. The history of Israel tells us that Nebuchadnezzar conquered Jerusalem in the 19th year of his reign, which probably corresponds to his 18th regnal year, according to the Babylonian chronology. Researchers generally agree that the destruction of Jerusalem occurred in the 18th regnal year of Nebuchadnezzar. Here, too, one can get to know the lunar eclipse in the 5th regnal year of Nabopolassar. If we assume that it was a lunar eclipse recorded in real time despite the fact that it has used the Egyptian calendar, then what can we observe?
    If we assume that the 18th regnal year of Nebuchadnezzar II was the aforementioned year 608 BC, then a full lunar eclipse can be found on 13 June 642 BC. It would mean that the year in Egypt changed unusually late, in about 15 March. On the other hand, in the case of the year 607 BC, a lunar eclipse can be found on 01 June 641 BC and the beginning of the year would presumably move to 03 March. The latter would be a more likely option. Based on this, the reign period of Nebuchadnezzar II would have begun in the autumn of 625 BC. However, it is unlikely that Nabopolassar' s lunar eclipse would have recorded in real time. There is currently no undeniable archaeological confirmation for the exact time of Nebuchadnezzar II's reign period." p.211
    Unfortunately, I've lost the desire to help Xero since he bit the hand that fed him, and I simply don't have time for nonsense.
    Thus, the interpretation offered by the Watchtower would be rooted in biblical accounts as opposed to secular ones. If a secular perspective is desired, the narrative shifts to accommodate what is widely recognized. Nonetheless, regardless of the approach, the date of 607 BC is consistently reached, albeit through varying specifics.
    Through biblical accounts, there is no 20-year gap, whereas secular reckoning might suggest otherwise. You cannot apply both systems; you must choose one or the other. This dichotomy has been a problem for millennia.
    Now, if memory serves me correctly, a particular individual here claimed to have reached out to Pekka Mansikka to discuss his work, yet described the interaction in a manner that overly favored himself, akin to a disingenuous researcher. So, I accept Pekka Mansikka's results through the eye of it being a biblical account.
    How about what the next topic should be? The Devil Went Down to Georgia, lol!
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Hey, slow down—don't mistake me for the inept ones here. I was simply asking, not demanding. lol!
    I've heard of similar occurrences from the Babylonian XI Dynasty. Aside from the notable Assurbanipal Lunar Eclipse on August 3, 682 BCE, and the Nabonidus Lunar Eclipse on September 25, 554 BCE, there appears to be little else of significance to examine within that period.
    Could this be the reason why, in Pekka Mansikka's revised chronology, he dates the reign of Nabopolassar to 646 BCE?
    Seems that we have a discrepancy with the accession year and regnal year again since history assigns Kandalanu's reign to 647 BCE.
    Well, enjoy your weekend, I am off to see The Wizard, lol!
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    At best, Newton's depiction of astronomical evolution can be considered an anomaly, nothing more. Consequently, the origins of Ptolemy's research and his sources are irrelevant. If history has shown us anything, it is that ideas are often borrowed from others. To argue otherwise would be the most obtuse statement a rational individual could make.
    The irony lies in questioning from where that ignorant individual obtained his information to criticize Ptolemy's Canon.
    Should modern critics then conclude that Herodotus should not have studied the works of Ctesias? Or that Berossus and Manetho should have refrained from consulting the works of Herodotus and Ctesias?
    Therefore, it would not have been surprising if Ptolemy delved into the works of Hipparchus of Nicaea, Meton of Athens, Eudoxus of Cnidus, Callippus of Cyzicus, Aristarchus of Samos, Eratosthenes of Cyrene, and Menelaus of Alexandria, provided they were accessible during his time.
    What is also amusing is that Newton, as you've stated, considered Ptolemy a fraud in almost every respect, but when it comes to Ptolemy's list, VAT 5946 it is deemed flawless, with no problems whatsoever—quite laughable indeed!
    If a rational individual assigns significant importance to illogical reasoning, it would necessitate a reevaluation of that person's mindset. This provokes the question, "Is that truly the best you can do?"
    I have read the letter from 2000, sent to the Organization by the individual you refer to as the "phantom writer." Regrettably, the most compelling evidence provided by this person was Carl Olof Jonsson's rather unpersuasive book.
    It is baffling why anyone would think the organization would accept the testimony of an apostate and their book, especially considering that the Watchtower had already dismissed such weak research when he was still a poor excuse of a witness that is only compelling to apostates.
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Trying to nail down 612 BCE as the date of Nineveh's destruction   
    Finally, honesty in the open club, lol!
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    Alphonse reacted to JW Insider in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    I have no expectation that my posts should matter to anyone. But I should make clear that I don't assert that 587 BCE is "correct," only that all the available evidence, so far, points to 587 BCE as 18th year of the reign of King Nebuchadnezzar. I'll leave it to the Bible to assert whether anything significant is associated with Nebuchadnezzar's 18th year of reign.
    And I would say the same for 539 BCE as the year Cyrus conquered Babylon. I don't assert that 539 BCE is "correct," only that all the available evidence, so far, points to 539 BCE as the accession year of Cyrus over Babylon. Of course, since this is about the preponderance of evidence, it is also good to point out that, compared with 539, there is at least 10 times the evidence for 587 being the 18th year of Nebuchadnezzar. 
    As to 612 BCE for the Fall of Nineveh, I couldn't say it's correct either. But I do know that the best evidence does show that 612 BCE is the 14th year of Nabopolassar's reign. 
    They offer a certain convenience, but I still don't think we really need to know any of the BCE dates. They can't be determined without astronomy anyway. Were the apostles supposed to learn astronomy or trust in someone else's claims about astronomy to understand Bible prophecy? It's like someone in service once said about the King James Version Bible: "If it was good enough for Saint Paul, it's good enough for me."
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Good God, please don't there's enough out here, lol!
     
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    You have demonstrated, JWI, that your perspective aligns more with personal apostasy, catering only to the closed club of like-minded individuals, and those who have been disfellowshipped for frivolous reasons. Your recurrent attempts to distort the truth, especially when confronted with your errors in challenging me, highlight a stubborn resistance to acknowledgment. The judgment of our discourse's merit lies with the public, not within the biased confines of your fellowship, which, regrettably, has separated from the guiding principles of the Watchtower, despite your previous association as a Bethelite.
    Your words or posts have never mattered to me because your assertion of 587 BC will always be incorrect, even by secular standards. Should you fail to provide evidence to the contrary, it reflects poorly on your integrity rather than on the validity of the facts presented in a coherent story that even a six-year-old could understand. Nevertheless, you seem aware of this and yet persist in trying to divert attention from your erroneous perspective, attempting to persuade others that your stance—akin to arguing with a phantom—is of greater significance. How amusing!
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    Alphonse reacted to JW Insider in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    I think I did speak to the actual reason. I mentioned that you must have thought this was about the best you could do in finding fault. And in that attempt you utterly failed, and actually showed COJ to be 100% correct. So the actual reason, I must assume, is that you have an unrequited desire to find fault, and this has frustrated you to the point where you merely throw up anything and hope it sticks. In this case you show that COJ was correct about something (years 12 to 16 missing) and say that this is wrong because the chronicle stops at 11 and picks up again at 17. In other words, you are simply showing that COJ was absolutely correct: that 12 to 16 are missing. Then you went ahead and embarrassed yourself by proving him right, quoting his exact words:

    You highlight that the supposed problem where COJ mentioned that the portion containing the words for 17th year is damaged. His wording here is perfectly in line with scholars, and the WTS accepts the exact same thing. In other words, the Watchtower Society agrees with COJ here. Note:
    COJ: “. . . and the portion where the words for "seventeenth year” no doubt originally could be read, is damaged." p.102 
    Now the agreement with the WTS publicaitons. Here is "Insight" making the same point:
    *** it-2 p. 459 Nabonidus ***
    It may be noted that the phrase “Seventeenth year” does not appear on the tablet, that portion of the text being damaged. This phrase is inserted by the translators because they believe that Nabonidus’ 17th regnal year was his last. So they assume that the fall of Babylon came in that year of his reign and that, if the tablet were not damaged, those words would appear in the space now damaged
    It is becoming more clear why genuine scholars have had only good things to say about COJ's work, and no genuine scholars have said anything about it being flawed in any aspect. You yourself have just shown it to have been careful and accurate. even in the one spot where you had hoped to point out a mistake. 
    Therefore, I do believe your real concern is that "deep down" you probably know it is accurate and are just lashing out aimlessly.
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    Alphonse reacted to JW Insider in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Actually, I have never seen a person who worked so hard to prove someone wrong, but at the same time, inadvertently confirm that what I have been presenting here is relatively accurate -- so far. Given time, and given the amount of effort you evidently put into finding fault, I assume that someday you really will find something that I am presenting incorrectly, and then I'll be able to learn something useful from it and make the necessary correction. In the past, under other names, you've presented some resource material I hadn't seen before, and I found it very interesting. I'm a patient person. Happy to keep waiting for something useful again. Even if it means putting with all those lies and nonsense from you about banning persons. I'm also happy for the entertainment value, and revelations about human nature, etc. 
    Even if you don't come through again. I have no interest in banning you, nor do I even know for sure if I have that authority as an assigned moderator. If I do have that ability, I have never used it.
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    Alphonse reacted to George88 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    Indeed, your distorted perception is peculiar. However, as usual, you focus on the incorrect aspects by manipulating the context or making unwarranted additions, much like a subpar researcher.
    This is a feeble attempt to undermine my post, resulting in a disappointing outcome. I encourage you to present to the public the actual reason for my inclusion of 12-16 in my remarks. Carl Olof Jonsson wrote about it, even though the tablet clearly states the 11th year and the 17th year, not referring to 612 BC as you claim. Are you dismissing his words while simultaneously defending him vehemently? Is this the diversion you're aiming for?
    I guess I'll post that part you forgot to include. 
    The Gentile Times Reconsidered -- Jonsson, Carl Olof -- 4th ed., rev. and exp, 2004
    "The last chronicle (B.M. 35382), the famous Nabonidus Chronicle, covers the reign of Nabonidus, who was the father of Belshazzar. This chronicle unfortunately is damaged. The portion covering Nabonidus’ twelfth year to his sixteenth year of rule is lacking, and the portion where the words for “seventeenth year” no doubt originally could be read, is damaged." p.102
    Nevertheless, we have the option to review whatever remains from the seventeenth year under Grayson. Additionally, one could regard the statement from COJ as dubious. Shall we?
    https://www.livius.org/sources/content/mesopotamian-chronicles-content/abc-7-nabonidus-chronicle/
    Of course, in my opinion, COJ's work is fundamentally flawed in every aspect. I could even argue that he, his research, and his book are a mockery and an insult to genuine scholars.
    Have you reached the point where you're considering banning me, as you have done with many others in the past while claiming that I have multiple accounts like those individuals? lol!
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    Alphonse reacted to BTK59 in Uncovering Discrepancies in Secular History   
    It's rather amusing to observe how individuals such as Pudgy, Tom, JWI, Many Miles, Xero, or members of the closed club are compelled to support apostates here through alternate accounts. Quite humorous, indeed! In this case, it appears you are Pudgy's or Many miles, maybe even Tom's sock puppet as they like to refer to it, and since you have posted it, PROVE IT, don't just make accusations, lol!
    Please refrain from engaging in verbose rhetoric, discussing login, timing, or infringing upon others' privacy rights, as done by moderators like JWI as proof. Let's avoid any further nonsense if that intent is going to be applied.
    This type of behavior typically emerges right before they expel someone, primarily because they cannot tolerate being proven wrong. They resorted to using sock puppets for hurling insults, and carrying out their malicious deeds. Consequently, they deceive people by claiming that no one has been banned due to their actions, which is not only false but also an outright lie.
    So, I'll just block you right now, you can speak with your other self at will.
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