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  1. Alan F Your focus is sadly misplaced because you talk only about eisegesis rather than exegesis which is what the said scholar promotes. There is a proper place for eisegesis especially when one seeks to interpret the prophetic books such as parts of Daniel, Minor prophets and Revelation but when it comes to those texts that deal with the 70 years then exegesis is essential and that is what you and COJ have not done or continue to do. You quote the passage 2 Chron. 36:17-21 but fail to discern the elements of each verse and the context which clearly makes no reference to as you sa
  2. Alan F You are living in the past when many scholars had that view that the 70 years represented only Babylonian hegemony but the tide has shifted beginning with the scholarship of Rainer Albertz, an Exilic scholar, 2003 and two others as mentioned in the cited sources have changed the previous focus of the 70 years to its Exile and the other two concepts of servitude to Babylon as hegemony and desolation of the land of Judah. The problem of the 609 BCE as a beginning for the 70 years is that it is too fuzzy with nothing historically accomplished in that year and that is why COJ discus
  3. Alan F Yes I could do this but why should i bother when you hurl insults to others,berate people and behave on this forum in an obnoxious manner. If you are so smart then you can locate these papers yourself. You fail to realize that much of what you say is simply puerile nonsense simply parroting what COJ has written, adding nothing original except your theory concerning 538 BCE for the Return. scholar JW
  4. Alan F All of which has been thoroughly refuted by many scholars, by Carl Olof Jonsson, and by competent commentators such as me. -- And now presently defeated by current and modern scholarship as shown by the two sources that I have quoted --- But it'll cost me $14.00 US. Why should I pay that for what I already know will refute your claims? I have an idea: you scan the article into PDF format and send it to me. -- You have to promise that you will be nice to me ---- Done. What you claimed is still gobble-de-goop and has nothing specifi
  5. Alan F You're beating dead horse, since you already know the answers: the 70 years were not of Jewish Exile but of Babylonian hegemony; that hegemony ended in October, 539 BCE with the fall of Babylon; Cyrus' decree of 538 has nothing to do with this -- Be that as it may. The 70 years was of the Exile-Servitude to Babylon as Babylonian hegemony-Desolation of Judah and these 3 basic elements have been recognized by Michael Niles 'Thesis which in the opening paragraph of his thesis in the Abstract states "Understanding the historical context of the prophecy (Jer. 25:11-12; 29:10)
  6. Alan F Right, which once again is the fall of the Jewish nation and the exile of most of its inhabitants to Babylon. Anything more -- the way you want to do -- is reading into the text what is not there -- eisegesis == Correct but pay attention to the timing which ends at the first year of Cyrus not Babylon's Fall - Not a single Bible passage states that the Exile would or did last 70 years. Rather, various passages state or imply that a Babylonian hegemony would last 70 years, during part of which the Jews would be in exile. -- Nope the texts that indicate t
  7. Alan F I did. That's why I commented as above. On the other hand, you need to quit inserting your Watchtower-inspired biases into the context -- quit doing eisegesis and start telling the truth. --- No need for any WT bias but a simple and plain reading of the texts. --- COJ is irrelevant to this issue. Stick to the facts. -- The facts are that COJ has misled you and you have gobbled up his plain nonsense ---- Are you really as stupid as you appear? I say again: No one disagrees that the Exile ended with the return of the Jews to Palestine. That is
  8. Alan F The difficulty that you have is to determine when and what event terminated Jeremiah's 70 years Exile. Was it with the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE or the first year of Cyrus with the Decree in 538/537BCE? scholar JW
  9. Alan F No one I'm aware of disagrees with that. Why are you creating another straw man? The point here is not when the Jewish exile ended -- obviously it ended when the Jews returned home in 538 BCE -- but when the 70 years spoken of by Jeremiah ended, which is a very different but related thing. --- No 'straw man' needed. The Jewish Exile of 70 years ended with the Return which was not with the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE but in Cyrus' first year determined to be 537 BCE. The Exile was of Jeremiah and was for a fixed period of 70 years. --- I have not read that ar
  10. Alan F The passage doesn't need to mention those things, since they're implied by the words "they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign". If the Jews were captive to Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty, then as soon as that dynasty ceased to exist, the Jews were no longer captive to it. Why do you refuse to acknowledge this basic fact? And if, as all Bible readers know, Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty ceased to exist in 539 BCE when the armies of Cyrus the Persian captured Babylon and deposed the dynasty, then "when the kingdom of Persia began to reign" is equivalen
  11. Alan F Actually it's a colloquialism of American, New York region English. Since I grew up there, I use it as a matter of course. From
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    : << US informal If you punt on something, you decide not to do or include it: We punted on a motion that makes no sense. >> Do you need more
  12. Alan F Recent scholarship confirms the simple basic fact that the Jewish Exile ended not with the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE but with the return of the Jews from Babylon under Cyrus' Decree following the prediction of Jeremiah's prophecy of 70 years. This viewpoint of matters is thematic in an article by Steven M Bryan to wit "The Reception of Jeremiah's Prediction of a Seventy-Year Exile' in JBL, vol.137, no.1, 2018, pp.107-26. This recent scholarship is a devastating to the COJ interpretation of the 70 years wholly based on servitude to the Babylonian power ending in 539 BCE.
  13. Alan F Punt means to sidestep with dishonest, misleading responses. You're a master of such. Of course, anyone with half a brain is not misled, but amused and/or chagrined that a supposed Christian can be so transparently dishonest -- You must be quoting some fanciful dictionary of the English language --- Let's note here, for the record, that the Watchtower material I cited made no reference to the "royalty of Persia" ruling in terms of the "Jewish Exile". The Bible is quite clear that when it speaks of the rule of the royalty of Persia it is speaking in the ab
  14. Alan F False. What you've done is what you did here: punt the hard questions. ---- Scholar does not need to 'punt' but gives you direct answers ---- Correct. Note that the very last of the kings of this dynasty was Belshazzar, whose reign ended with Babylon's overthrow in the fall of 539 BCE. ---- Nabonidus and his son Belshazzar were the last Kings of Babylon ---- Wrong again. Even the Watchtower Society acknowledges that "the royalty of Persia", in the form of Cyrus the Great, began to reign over Babylon when he conquered it in October, 539 BCE:
  15. Alan F Who were Nebuchadnezzar's "sons" that the Jews were servants to? Who was the last of these "sons"? In what year did "the kingdom of Persia" begin to reign? I believe that I have nicely dealt with these three questions before so I provide answers for you as the said scholar likes to help: 1. This is a reference to the Neo -Babylonian dynasty which included Neb's son and sons in law ending with Belshazzar as presented in a table by Prof. R.P. Dougherty in his book Nabonidus and Belshazzar, p.79 2. Nabonidus as supreme Monarch along with his son Belshazzar 3. 537
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