Srecko Sostar

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Hope this helps:
Matthew 28:19... Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
watchtower: (1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?”

(2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”

Your entire argument and chain of logic, BTK59, can be instantly and totally refuted by the real life classic example that for 80+ years the Society’s policy irrationally and unscripturally  placed heavy burdens on the Brotherhood by persecution of Brothers with beards. I was even chastised for a mustache in a “little back room” with three elders, which hurt my feelings terribly. 
There is only so long some people will tolerate small tyrannies before the start voting with their wallets and their cars to escape it.
Of those who once chose to become Jehovah’s Witnesses, according to 2016 Pewresearch.org, 66% no longer identify with Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are voting with their wallets and their feet. 
JW Core Theology (15%) produces peace, righteousness, fairness, Truth, and Freedom as an adopted Son of God. So why do 66% LEAVE?
There should be a line at the Kingdom Halls of people trying to GET IN!
That is NOT the case.
Then if you consider the PIMOs (Physically in, mentally out) who only stay to keep their families from shunning them and tearing their family relationships apart, that even further emphasizes the fallacy of your theories.
I plan to celebrate per GB Update 2023-8 “Beard Liberation Day” every December 15th, for the rest of my life, for what I personally endured for 60+ years, and hope for a theocratic future with many other needed and overdue reforms.
When having to endure petty tyranny, some do not consider it petty.
Such is the case in California now, a State I used to love and admire, having lived in San Diego, Malibu, Hollywood, and San Francisco many years ago. The thought of even visiting gives me the creeps now.
Many are leaving for good, to Texas, Florida, Nevada, North and South Carolina, etc. They are voting with their wallets and their cars!

Yes.
Yes. If GB claims to be guided by HS in their decisions, then the possibility that their errors are a reflection of "imperfection" is reduced or completely nullified.
Therefore, the GB should finally decide on the basic setting; Are they led with HS or are they led with their own mental faculties and beliefs?

The imperfect human response then should be, 'we apologize for the mistake we made'.
Of course if one claims to be the "mouth piece of Jehovah", then makes several mistakes, they are in essence saying Jehovah made the mistake.
 

However, opinions are an indicator of whether we are more or less sane. With that evidence, someone could start to prove this or that. lol

However, opinions are an indicator of whether we are more or less sane. With that evidence, someone could start to prove this or that. lol

@George88
Answers are in this comment, again:
 

Tell me, please, how can imperfect people be perfectly frank in their statements about own mistakes?
Doesn't imperfection imply the constant possibility of error, by the own admission of these church leaders? How, then, can the alleged sincerity in statements be spared from mistakes?
Is there really such sincerity among religious leaders that does not hide a touch of falsehood?
 

According to WTJWorg the alleged "spiritual growth", progress is conditioned by a good understanding and daily reading of "spiritual literature". If we exclude the Bible, which people in general and even JWs themselves will not be able to understand without the aid of WTJWorg, i.e. the huge amount of written material that explains and interprets the Bible, we arrive at the following:
"Spiritual growth" in WTJWorg means constant change of theology, clarification and abandonment of "incorrect truths" because of some new "incorrect truths".
Indeed, all those baptized children were indeed not "spiritually mature" when they agreed to accept the WTJWorg conditions for baptism.

lol,
"Scriptural maturity" means understanding the meaning of the WTJWorg statement which reads: 
Children are not fully developed in their ability to think, to reason, or to recognize and avoid danger. (1 Cor. 13:11) 
After that, the person will also understand the mentioned biblical quote.

Proof, evidence of this is all those "JW kids" who left WTJWorg years or even decades later.

Proof, evidence of this is all those "JW kids" who left WTJWorg years or even decades later.

lol,
"Scriptural maturity" means understanding the meaning of the WTJWorg statement which reads: 
Children are not fully developed in their ability to think, to reason, or to recognize and avoid danger. (1 Cor. 13:11) 
After that, the person will also understand the mentioned biblical quote.

According to WTJWorg the alleged "spiritual growth", progress is conditioned by a good understanding and daily reading of "spiritual literature". If we exclude the Bible, which people in general and even JWs themselves will not be able to understand without the aid of WTJWorg, i.e. the huge amount of written material that explains and interprets the Bible, we arrive at the following:
"Spiritual growth" in WTJWorg means constant change of theology, clarification and abandonment of "incorrect truths" because of some new "incorrect truths".
Indeed, all those baptized children were indeed not "spiritually mature" when they agreed to accept the WTJWorg conditions for baptism.

I would agree that any mature person should not be denied baptism.
But I must ask, what is "scriptural maturity"?

Well… I go by life experiences. 
When my brother was 17, during the 1960’s, he wanted to Join the Marines, go to Vietnam and  “kill gooks”.
A year later he was 18, a hippie, and said “Hell No! We won’t go!”, and didn’t.
Real life experiences trump esoteric theory.

This is the underlying principle of what everyone here knows and remembers …  and the REASON for objections to minor child baptisms …except of course Wally McNasty and his up and down voting clone sock puppets.
But then again, that is what WDS IS.

Regardless of anything else that may or may not be true, the 2001 and 2012 Watchtowers offers much  sound advice. (… entirely from memory, but it made sense at the time…)
The fact that it is CONFLICTING advice is the sticking point!
And … the issue of massive collateral damage for a premature decision made by an 8 year old, etc. is never mentioned in baptism recruiting efforts.
At what age do you think a child is mature enough to give others the legal right to destroy him or her, and their family relationships, perhaps ten years later?
There was a valid reason why Jesus was not baptized at age 12.

When it comes to "one of the most serious" decisions (marrying), the society says: "Christians want to wait to get married until they are mature..." (Ref Jan 15, 2001 Watchtower)
So for "one of the most serious" decisions of marrying, the advice is to wait until you are mature.
When it comes to baptism, the society calls this "the most serious decision" an individual can make. (Ref June 15, 2012 Watchtower)

… exactly the diversionary tactics I described in my posts … instead of just downvoting my posts … refute them!

…. give it a try  … you can use whatever Whack-A-Mole pop up screen name you want!  After two sentences everybody knows it’s YOU anyway!

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Harsh, but fair.
They did say specifically in Governing Body Update 2023-8 that the example they used for guidance was powerful and respected mens’ customs of the world.
( rolls eyes and facepalms forehead )
The only thing I can imagine is that at their weekly meeting on Wednesday sometime in December an Angel with a flaming sword appeared and “read them the riot act” … or their accountants told them they were bankrupt.
Or possibly some Multi-Billionaire with a Beard was recently baptized.
…. merely guesses.
The Warren Commission Report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy was issued on September 24, 1964.
Before I die, I would like to read a non-fiction version.

GB refers to the culture and trend of the business world and politicians, so it allowed the wearing of beards. GB is what the threat is. 

And now it’s time for the multi-name Whack-A-Moles and his/her/they/thems’ minion up and down voting doppelgänger sock puppets to have their say ….

There is a LESSON TO BE LEARNED from the “Beard Fiasco” …. Perhaps many lessons.  
The question is … how many tens of thousands of the Brotherhood will be collateral damage every year until those lessons are learned?